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Problems Burning DVDs, Images Look Wavy
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27. June 2010 @ 19:15 |
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I've been having problems recently when it comes to authoring DVDs. It originally started out when I tried to capture video from my VCR to my computer. I started a thread about it here.
http://forums.afterdawn.com/t.cfm/f-79/...ne_awry-856032/
Basically, the video looked wavy after burning it to a DVD, and no matter what type of video I selected (TTF, Progressive), the waves would remain. I used DVD Forger, Windows DVD Maker, and DVD Flick for this most recent case. DVD Forger and WDM was used for the above thread's captured video.
While I thought I got an answer from that thread and preceded to make my DVDs, it happened again, only this time with a video that worked before.
I went to burn a DVD in DVD Flick, and when I put it into my DVD player, it did the same thing as before, only much worse.
I got that video from a DVD that works fine and displays correctly. All I did was rip the VOBs and string them together in MPEG VCR. No re-encoding was done.
This, interestingly, only happens on my TV though (SD or HD). If I play it on my computer, it's fine. I got that footage by selecting de-interlace on VLC Media Player. I checked the boxes on DVD Flick and the de-interlace or copy MPEG 2 stream boxes are not selected.
Hopefully someone here can help, as I'm at my wits end trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong. Thanks!
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29. June 2010 @ 20:41 |
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Try ripping it with AnyDVD first and then give it a try.
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29. June 2010 @ 21:47 |
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That can't be it though because I successfully burnt the same file before, I just don't remember what I'm doing differently.
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30. June 2010 @ 06:21 |
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That can't be it though because I successfully burnt the same file before, I just don't remember what I'm doing differently.
Did you try playing the source files to see if they were working? Try this run it through DVD Shrink but with zero compression. If there is an out of compliant file then Shrink might fix it. It won't take more than a few minutes to do and it won't damage the original. Just have the outcome sent to a different directory. If Shrink can fix it then the damage is in the original capture video source and the tape will have to be captured over again.
BTW, what are you using to capture with.
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30. June 2010 @ 11:05 |
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I did not capture it, but it was done with a DVD recorder, and that copy works fine. I'll try the DVD shrink idea and post if it works.
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30. June 2010 @ 18:48 |
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As I mentioned in the other thread, and I'll say it again here,
you don't need to deinterlace and you don't need to use VLC.
Just capture @ 720*480 and create your dvd.
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30. June 2010 @ 20:12 |
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The only thing I have against capturing it in 720X480 though is that's a 3:2 aspect ratio. When I burn it though and say 4:3 in DVD Flick, I assume it will format it to the correct AR when playing?
Also, if this does not remedy the problem, what else could fix it? Though I'm still confused a file worked fine before but not now.
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30. June 2010 @ 20:22 |
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The AR should take care of itself when the DVD is authored - 720*480 is the correct
dimension, otherwise the dvd application need to reencode it. Why go through
another generational loss - it's almost as bad as in the old days when one VHS tape
was copied to another - this is the digital equivalent.
You got to be like a detective, one step at a time, view the results after each step and
see where the problem creeps in. There's no other way.
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30. June 2010 @ 20:28 |
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Alright, sounds good. I'm capturing right now at 720 and in the preview the interlacing is correct, so so far nothing is wrong.
Oh, also, copy the MPEG, not re-encode it in DVD Flick, correct?
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30. June 2010 @ 20:31 |
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What do you mean the interlacing "is correct" ?
Do you have something occurring during the capture that makes you suspicious?
Please explain your comment.
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30. June 2010 @ 20:34 |
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I mean it looks like it should, as little lines and not waves as when I burn it to DVD. Also, I edited this in and I'm not sure if you saw it.
"Oh, also, copy the MPEG, not re-encode it in DVD Flick, correct?"
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30. June 2010 @ 21:02 |
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Most of the all-in-one dvd apps. have a provision to use compliant mpeg
as-is, without re-encoding. This is what you should be using.
I though you said earlier that the problem with the files (the "waves")
occurred post-capture?
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30. June 2010 @ 21:20 |
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Correct, when I look at the image in half-frames, there are waves where it should be normal interlacing lines. That actually happened with the file I just captured. 720X480 and it looks the same in half-frames as it did before. Should I even try to burn it?
I just found an interlaced box on the program, I'm going to test both the 640X480 and 720 with this box ticked.
I'm trying to burn it and even with the copy streams box picked, it's encoding at a painfully slow 11FPS. Encoding speed is at normal.
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30. June 2010 @ 22:07 |
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I took your short clip you provided in the other thread and played with it.
I ran it through avidemux to correct the timestamps. Something you may want to
try. Open it in Avidemux, leave video and audio to "copy" and set the format to
"mpeg - ps (a+v)" Save it to a new file (eg. new.mpg).
Open the new file with DVD flick. On the edit title/video source select "interlaced",
and on the project settings/video/advanced/ select copy mpeg2 streams.
That should be it - start the DVD.
Here's where to get Avidemux:
http://www.videohelp.com/tools/AviDemux
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1. July 2010 @ 18:56 |
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Just did exactly what you said, and the DVD still shows the same thing. I double checked everything after I did it the first time and it still does it. I tested both the 720 and 640 captures. I assume this means it is the capturing that's doing it?
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1. July 2010 @ 21:07 |
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I don't understand. Does your newly created DVD show this problem when played
on a standalone player? Where do you see it?
The clip you posted earlier - wasn't that straight from the capture?
I converted it to dvd/video_tx folder as I outlined above and it came out fine.
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1. July 2010 @ 21:09 |
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Correct, only on a standalone player it looks wavy. On my PC it's fine.
The MediaFire clip is a straight from capture file, yes.
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1. July 2010 @ 22:48 |
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Something to do either with your standalone player or your TV?
Have you tried it on a 2nd player?
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2. July 2010 @ 11:01 |
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Just tested on a PS2, PS3 and a blu-ray player and they all look wavy. Though, I did test it on a standard DVD player with a progressive button. When the progressive button was on, the image was played as if it was interlaced (it was being played on a 720P TV, so I could see the lines.) Though when the progressive button was off, it looked wavy like all the other players.
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2. July 2010 @ 13:05 |
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Can you take a clip of one of the VOB's from the disk that shows the problem?
Something like mpeg2cut could probably trim a section.
http://www.videohelp.com/tools/Mpg2Cut2
When you get a piece, post it as before and I'll take a look.
How long did the process take in DVD Flick?
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2. July 2010 @ 14:03 |
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2. July 2010 @ 14:26 |
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half an hour - presumably DVD Flick didn't re-encode them - just authored ?
You could check the DVD Flick log to verify. I took a quick look at your files,
and during normal playback they look OK.
I'll install VLC to see if I can replicate your issue.
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2. July 2010 @ 14:54 |
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Just checked the log and says "copying as requested."
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2. July 2010 @ 18:49 |
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OK. I see the problem in VLC. It's not all the time it comes and goes.
Now that I could see where it was, I opened it in Virtualdub with the viewfields
plugin and you can plainly see the problem - even on your original file
720X480.mpg
If that file was the original capture, then it seems as if something in your source
chain is bad. The tapes, vcr, capture card or software. Are these tapes PAL or
NTSC? Is it possible a bad tape conversion was done?
Have you tried other video tapes to see if the problem still exists? What about a
2nd vcr ?
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2. July 2010 @ 23:15 |
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The tapes are factory made NTSC-J, not copies. Though it can't be the tapes because I can convert them with a DVD Recorder-VCR combo. (You're probably asking me why I'm going through all this trouble then. It's because it recorded it in the wrong aspect ratio, the blacks are too deep, and some of the video is unripable due to the DVDs being formatted as over 2 hours.)
I have tested a second VCR and it does the same thing.
I have also ripped other tapes on a different computer with the card and it worked fine. Can't do that now though because the program doesn't run on Vista (64 bit?).
I would assume this means it's the program. Can you recommend any other programs I can use? I've already tried/used the trial period for...
AVS Video Recorder
Debut Video Capture Software
STOIK Capturer
PVR Plus (This is what won't work on Vista and what came with the card.)
WinAVI Video Capture (This is what's giving me the wavy video.)
I have tried Virtual Dub to some extent, and while the video seems to work, I haven't really looked into it because the audio is always recorded extremely slow and when I play it back it lags by seconds. This might be because of the codec though. Any idea how much space an uncompressed 45 minute stereo audio track would be?
Thanks!
Oh, also, I assume the reason the video on posted to YouTube at the beginning of this thread is that way because I didn't select the interlaced button on DVD Flick?
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