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A question about banning
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roypardo
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30. July 2009 @ 20:39 |
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Ok, i almost only play offline, my console is from 2007, i modded it and used to connect to live for the marketplace... but since the first waves of banning i decided not to go online anymore... Recently i needed the new dashboard nxe update and decided to go on an connect to live and see if i could download the update or get banned... I got lucky and downloaded it without problem.
Now my question is, can i get banned if i log in live now? Or should i update to the iextreme 1.51 firmware? I dont know what firmware i have, but it is from 2007
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qwert99
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30. July 2009 @ 21:06 |
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This is a common misconception that logging onto Xbox Live is what gets you banned, and if you stay off of Live, you won't get banned. The fact of the matter is that your console itself tells on your previous boo-boos (non stealth games, etc) each time you connect to Live. So while in a very technical sense, going online gets you banned, it doesn't quite work the way you think. Going online to play games is not going to make you more or less likely to be banned. If you never connect to Xbox Live, you will never be banned. However, if you never use Xbox Live, it would be a moot point anyway. Bottom line is that if you are going to be banned, you are going to be banned, and avoiding Xbox Live is not going to solve that.
With that being said, you should DEFINITELY update your firmware to a newer version. 1.6 for most 360s, 1.51 for Hitachi. The firmware and ALWAYS using ABGX software to scan downloaded games is what is going to keep you from being banned.
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betaalpha
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31. July 2009 @ 01:38 |
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i dont see whats the point of staying offline...
you stay offline you play offline
you stay online you get to play online but if you get banned you are offline just like you never logged online in the first place
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31. July 2009 @ 09:01 |
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The fact of the matter is that your console itself tells on your previous boo-boos (non stealth games, etc) each time you connect to Live.
The claim that the 360 stores offline data and then sends it to Microsoft when you connect to XBOX Live has yet to proven or disproven.
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31. July 2009 @ 09:47 |
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Aren't you basically "banned" by your own choosing if you don't go on live ever?
Your thought process doesn't make much sense.
Just go on live.
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qwert99
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31. July 2009 @ 15:35 |
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Originally posted by leerage:
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The fact of the matter is that your console itself tells on your previous boo-boos (non stealth games, etc) each time you connect to Live.
The claim that the 360 stores offline data and then sends it to Microsoft when you connect to XBOX Live has yet to proven or disproven.
True, but neither has 99% of the other information that we accept in the modding community. That is the best information we have to go on right now, though. Got a better theory? :)
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CawkFour
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31. July 2009 @ 15:39 |
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Originally posted by qwert99:
Originally posted by leerage:
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The fact of the matter is that your console itself tells on your previous boo-boos (non stealth games, etc) each time you connect to Live.
The claim that the 360 stores offline data and then sends it to Microsoft when you connect to XBOX Live has yet to proven or disproven.
True, but neither has 99% of the other information that we accept in the modding community. That is the best information we have to go on right now, though. Got a better theory? :)
he was just stating that it wasn't 100% and you were telling your thoughts like it was written in stone.
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qwert99
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31. July 2009 @ 15:43 |
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Originally posted by CawkFour:
Originally posted by qwert99:
Originally posted by leerage:
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The fact of the matter is that your console itself tells on your previous boo-boos (non stealth games, etc) each time you connect to Live.
The claim that the 360 stores offline data and then sends it to Microsoft when you connect to XBOX Live has yet to proven or disproven.
True, but neither has 99% of the other information that we accept in the modding community. That is the best information we have to go on right now, though. Got a better theory? :)
he was just stating that it wasn't 100% and you were telling your thoughts like it was written in stone.
Please feel free to fill in the blanks if what I said was not accurate.
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CawkFour
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31. July 2009 @ 15:49 |
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your information isn't wrong... if it is true.
Originally posted by qwert99:
The fact of the matter is that your console itself tells on your previous boo-boos (non stealth games, etc) each time you connect to Live.
i'm not trying to call you a liar or argue with you... just saying that leerage was stating* that this is 'commonly accepted in the modding world' but still not %100 fact.
*leerage actually never said that it's commonly accepted in the modding world.
C.R.3.A.M.
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varnull
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31. July 2009 @ 15:53 |
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I always watch these pointless discussions with great interest..
The xbox stores information about games played in your console saved gamer profile - fact
The xbox uploads that profile information to live when you connect - fact
M$ haven't had a ban wave for quite a while - fact
Play an out of region game or have a dash patch for the wrong region or signed differently than any actual releases and they can detect it - fact
Mod and go on live and you will very likely get banned sooner or later... because nobody except M$ themselves know exactly how they detect modded consoles - fact.
Talk abot stealth firmwares and all that other junk... fine.. I can inform you that every time you flash a dvd drive a count is incremented in the flash rom.. I bet M$ have a way to check that flag.. a drive should have a flash count of 2 .. original from factory and then flash when mated to mobo.
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qwert99
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31. July 2009 @ 15:58 |
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True that there are lots of things we don't know about how we get banned, but there are a few things we know of that might contribute. Playing games with bad angles, unstealthed, etc.
Sure we may not know how to be completely safe, but why not take precautions?
Oh yeah, and just to add to the discussion, I also recently read something about powering on your 360 without the DVD drive's SATA cable connected triggers a flag as well. So basically anybody who has used the 360 as a power source for their DVD drive while flashing, which is everyone, could be detected. Of course I don't know if there is any truth to that. The point is, though, once you void that warranty, you might as well get your mileage out of Xbox Live, because nobody really knows if, how, or when you will get banned.
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31. July 2009 @ 16:32 |
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Originally posted by qwert99:
Oh yeah, and just to add to the discussion, I also recently read something about powering on your 360 without the DVD drive's SATA cable connected triggers a flag as well. So basically anybody who has used the 360 as a power source for their DVD drive while flashing, which is everyone, could be detected.
Not if you were using a connectivity kit.
Sorry, I wasn't trying to call you out earlier or anything like that.
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qwert99
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31. July 2009 @ 16:37 |
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It's all gravy, baby.
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31. July 2009 @ 16:46 |
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Originally posted by varnull:
Talk abot stealth firmwares and all that other junk... fine.. I can inform you that every time you flash a dvd drive a count is incremented in the flash rom.. I bet M$ have a way to check that flag.. a drive should have a flash count of 2 .. original from factory and then flash when mated to mobo.
I can't wait to put your theory to test. I just sent in a 360 for RROD. The drive had been flashed several times and restored back to stock before sending it in.
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betaalpha
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31. July 2009 @ 17:36 |
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Originally posted by guessswho:
Aren't you basically "banned" by your own choosing if you don't go on live ever?
Your thought process doesn't make much sense.
Just go on live.
thats what ive been saying
who gives a damn if you get banned you are basically choosing to ban your self if you stay offline =.= sometimes i just dont get people...
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roypardo
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31. July 2009 @ 22:06 |
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Well i see your point.... but i didnt go on live because i didnt think it was worth it... But now the new dashboard and the new gizmos well it kind of allures me... thats all.... For my multiplayer needs i got my pc
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qwert99
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31. July 2009 @ 22:09 |
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That's cool. You should still update your firmware if you can. Even if you don't use Xbox Live much, it's better to not get your console banned if you can prevent it. It's good for re-sale value, even if you never use Xbox Live personally.
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htorihpeS
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3. August 2009 @ 17:35 |
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It is obvious that a gamer profile stores information about what games have been played but it may not store information on whether those games were originals or backups. It is likely that that information is stored on the hard drive. Thus,if someone had two hard drives and used one for backups while offline and used the other for originals while online, how could they be detected?
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qwert99
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3. August 2009 @ 17:48 |
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The information used to incriminate you may be very, very small. It's entirely possible that it is stored on the Xbox's motherboard in some tiny piece of memory somewhere.
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chris4160
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4. August 2009 @ 02:15 |
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Originally posted by qwert99:
The information used to incriminate you may be very, very small. It's entirely possible that it is stored on the Xbox's motherboard in some tiny piece of memory somewhere.
You mean the cache? If ms did store the game info then, assuming the cache doesn't store alot, it would be possible to overload it, then what would happen?
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qwert99
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4. August 2009 @ 02:29 |
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I guess it would be a buffer overload type of thing.
Not sure. I am just speculating. If it were stored on the HD, arcade units wouldn't get banned, right?
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chris4160
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4. August 2009 @ 02:34 |
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Originally posted by qwert99:
I guess it would be a buffer overload type of thing.
Not sure. I am just speculating. If it were stored on the HD, arcade units wouldn't get banned, right?
If it is stored, it would definately be on the mobo's cache.
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htorihpeS
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6. August 2009 @ 00:09 |
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Is the cache not on the hd? New xbox 360s ave inbuilt memory units so they could store information there.
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chris4160
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6. August 2009 @ 01:59 |
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Originally posted by htorihpeS:
Is the cache not on the hd? New xbox 360s ave inbuilt memory units so they could store information there.
There is a cache on the hd, but there would also be one on the motherboard to store updates.
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