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Best DL burner to use.....
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ufa5000
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26. October 2009 @ 16:31 |
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I understand that its been asked a million times on here but for my own good I want to ask myself. Yes I have search it and old post show up saying that the Pioneer 112d is a great burner for backing up xbox games but I cant find one at a reasonable price. I was wondering if anyone has had success with a different burner that is more accessable for purchase? I dont need anything too fancy, just want a good burner. If anyone can send me a link to a good one it would be greatly appreciated.
Also can someone put this Wave 4/Boot disc into laymen's terms for me? I dont understand. Are all new games going to require it even if I have 1.6 firmware?
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dred05
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26. October 2009 @ 16:48 |
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the best DVD+DL burner is IMO Pioneer ..
I'd suggest you start searchin' for a decent price (between 20-30).
about the Wave 4 games, yes there will be certain more games out with this new kind of protection, an example is Tekken 6 which now refuse to boot from a drive with Ixtreme 1.6.
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ufa5000
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26. October 2009 @ 16:52 |
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Is there a specific Pioneer burner? How are the LG and Samsungs?
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dred05
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26. October 2009 @ 17:01 |
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Is there a specific Pioneer burner?
I have a Pioneer DVD-RW DVR-115D
it will burn a DVD+DL flawless, don't forget to set the burnspeed at 2,4 otherwise the laser on the medium that you want to use will burn out to quickly.
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How are the LG and Samsungs?
they're good, but not as good as the Pioneer ..
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ufa5000
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26. October 2009 @ 17:07 |
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Thanks, Ill check it out! If anyone else has suggestions let me know.
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ufa5000
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26. October 2009 @ 17:14 |
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26. October 2009 @ 17:21 |
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Yeah that will do.
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ufa5000
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26. October 2009 @ 17:27 |
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Originally posted by NDarkness:
Yeah that will do.
Is there one better for around the same price? $30-$50? Please link?!?!
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26. October 2009 @ 17:32 |
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Originally posted by dred05:
don't forget to set the burnspeed at 2,4 otherwise the laser on the medium that you want to use will burn out to quickly.
lol. Will this myth ever die???
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ufa5000
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26. October 2009 @ 17:52 |
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Originally posted by funksoulb:
Originally posted by dred05:
don't forget to set the burnspeed at 2,4 otherwise the laser on the medium that you want to use will burn out to quickly.
lol. Will this myth ever die???
Please explain. Newbee curiosity. Do you recommend a burner?
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qwert99
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26. October 2009 @ 18:46 |
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Originally posted by funksoulb:
Originally posted by dred05:
don't forget to set the burnspeed at 2,4 otherwise the laser on the medium that you want to use will burn out to quickly.
lol. Will this myth ever die???
dred seems dedicated to single-handedly making sure that it does not ;)
Originally posted by ufa5000:
Please explain. Newbee curiosity. Do you recommend a burner?
The myth is that you must burn all 360 games at 2.4x speed. However, it is fine to burn the media at whatever speed it is rated for. It is actually recommended to not burn under half the speed of what the media is rated at. For instance, if you have an 8x DVDR, like the newer Verbatims, you shouldn't burn at less than 4x speed, according to some sources.
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26. October 2009 @ 19:29 |
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Originally posted by ufa5000:
Originally posted by funksoulb:
Originally posted by dred05:
don't forget to set the burnspeed at 2,4 otherwise the laser on the medium that you want to use will burn out to quickly.
lol. Will this myth ever die???
Please explain. Newbee curiosity. Do you recommend a burner?
There is no universal "best speed" for burning any kind of discs, yet you will often be told to "only burn at 2.4 and nothing else!". There are several variables - the burner, the media, the burner's firmware, and how well all of those things work together. You won't know what the best speed is for you unless you do some test burns at different speeds, but burning slowly can lead to worse quality burns than burning at the disc's rated speed.
The slow burn myth is a throwback to the days when burners, discs and PCs weren't as advanced as they are now. When I got my first burner, buffer underrun protection hadn't even been invented and my PC had a 166 MHz CPU and 32 MB of RAM. If I didn't burn CDs at 1X and leave my PC completely alone while the disc was burning, the burn would fail. The slightest interruption to the flow of data and I'd get another coaster to add to the pile. Things have changed, but some people's advice has not!
I've done disc quality tests at various speeds and with my combination of burner, firmware, and Verbatim 8X rated media, 8X gives the best quality burns. If I burned at 2.4X (which my burner doesn't even support with Verbatim MKM-003 discs - the slowest it will burn them at is 4X), the burn would take 40 minutes instead of 18 and I'd be getting worse quality burns. This wouldn't stop someone from telling me to burn at 2.4X though, lol.
The burner I would recommend if you're looking for a SATA drive is the Optiarc AD-7200S. The burn quality is superb on all quality media, and it's especially good with Verbatim dual layer discs. Optiarc have brought out a replacement for it, the AD-7240S which I also own, but at the moment it doesn't quite match the older drive in terms of burn quality on dual layer media.
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ufa5000
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26. October 2009 @ 20:39 |
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The burner I would recommend if you're looking for a SATA drive is the Optiarc AD-7200S. The burn quality is superb on all quality media, and it's especially good with Verbatim dual layer discs. Optiarc have brought out a replacement for it, the AD-7240S which I also own, but at the moment it doesn't quite match the older drive in terms of burn quality on dual layer media.
Is AD7200S-08 the same as the AD-7200S?
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26. October 2009 @ 22:01 |
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ufa5000
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26. October 2009 @ 22:16 |
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Good lookin out everyone. ill let you know the results when I get everything in.
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dred05
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27. October 2009 @ 20:07 |
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The myth is that you must burn all 360 games at 2.4x speed.
No, it is not a myth, the slower you burn the disc the accurate it is. It is in matter of fact simple logic in practice ..
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The slow burn myth is a throwback to the days when burners, discs and PCs weren't as advanced as they are now. When I got my first burner, buffer underrun protection hadn't even been invented and my PC had a 166 MHz CPU and 32 MB of RAM. If I didn't burn CDs at 1X and leave my PC completely alone while the disc was burning, the burn would fail. The slightest interruption to the flow of data and I'd get another coaster to add to the pile. Things have changed, but some people's advice has not!
(see above)
hey man, didn't meant to disrespect you, but the slow burn theory with DVD Dual Layer is actually true. for me it is more benificial to have a disc that works, then a quickly burned disc at 4x or 8x, other than the time to burn it has no real advantage:
2,4 burn time 38 min.
4 " " 23 - 25 min.
8 " " 17 - 19 min.
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qwert99
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27. October 2009 @ 20:12 |
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Dred, feel free to burn a game at 2.4x, at 4x, and at 8x, then run error-checking on each of the discs and post results back here. If you can show me through evidence, rather than dogma, that burns at slower speeds are beneficial, I will happily oblige you.
As it stands now, however, you just seem like some freak who can't let go of an internet urban legend.
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27. October 2009 @ 22:34 |
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Originally posted by dred05:
No, it is not a myth, the slower you burn the disc the accurate it is.
This just is not true. Stop perpetuating this myth.
Originally posted by dred05:
It is in matter of fact simple logic in practice
What? There's nothing logical about it. You simply don't understand how the burn speed can affect the burn quality and the variable nature of this, therefore you are assuming that slow always equals best, probably because you read it on some other forum at some point. It is a very popular myth after all, but that's because it was once true, but it's not any more.
As I have said all along, there is no universal best speed to burn at, i.e. a best burn speed that applies to everyone. 2.4X may well be the best speed for you with the discs you're using on your particular drive. It's not the best speed for me (my drive doesn't even offer 2.4X as an option with Verbatim 8X rated discs!) and I have done disc quality scans that prove this. 8X gives the best quality burns on my burner. When I burn slower, the burns are worse quality. I'm not about to waste Verbatims just so I can post the results of quality scans to prove it to you, but know that you are talking nonsense and you need to stop.
And BTW: -
Originally posted by dred05:
yes there will be certain more games out with this new kind of protection
It's not a "new kind of protection". The video partition has only changed because MS have put a new version of the dashboard update in it.
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John_Donn
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27. October 2009 @ 22:45 |
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Agree there is no 2.4 only rating....mythbusters should do a show on it
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27. October 2009 @ 23:43 |
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I burn at whatever the max is that the disc allows. Usually Verbatims a 8x. Only 1 coaster that I can remember out of over a hundered discs. Burn at whatever speed you want, unless your hardware is outdated.
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Ohyu
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28. October 2009 @ 03:28 |
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Semi-hijack thread.
Are there any compatibility issues when a IDE to SATA converter are used with the 115d?
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dred05
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28. October 2009 @ 11:02 |
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No, it is not a myth, the slower you burn the disc the accurate it is. It is in matter of fact simple logic in practice ..
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This just is not true. Stop perpetuating this myth.
again, what myth ? the slow burn theory is for me convincing enough.
if you didn't counter problems with the laser on the Xbox 360 that doesn't say automatically that it is okay to do. in matter of fact I suppose that you install the games from the DVD+DL onto the hard-drive and therefore you actually don't need the laser a lot.
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It is in matter of fact simple logic in practice ..
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What? There's nothing logical about it. You simply don't understand how the burn speed can affect the burn quality and the variable nature of this, therefore you are assuming that slow always equals best, probably because you read it on some other forum at some point.
you are confusing knowledge with logic, knowledge man can learn, logic however is the law of Nature and man can not alter it ..
besides where I get my information from is not relevant in this forum, because evidence is relative and is based on multiple factors and not only the burn speed is important. you also need a decent burner and high valuable media such as Verbatims ..
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my drive doesn't even offer 2.4X as an option with Verbatim 8X rated discs!
wrong, it is not the burner you directly use but the application that control the burner i.e. burn program (set on 2,4 is always an option).
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I'm not about to waste Verbatims just so I can post the results of quality scans to prove it to you
I am thrilled to see any of them :)
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but know that you are talking nonsense and you need to stop
until proven otherwise, just be silent and don't accuse me of slander.
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dred05
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28. October 2009 @ 11:10 |
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posted by Ohyu
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Are there any compatibility issues when a IDE to SATA converter are used with the 115d?
there will be no real advantage for the burner, a SATA burner is faster than an IDE. the converter doesn't change this, all it does is to connect an IDE (older) burner onto a SATA port onto the (newer) motherboard in your PC.
the Pioneer 115d is an excellent choice for people who are serious about burnin' their precious DVD+DL (it will automatically bitset the Dual Layer disc to DVD-ROM)..
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28. October 2009 @ 11:22 |
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Originally posted by dred05:
again, what myth ?
The myth that you have to always burn at 2.4X. It's complete bullshit, but you seem to enjoy spreading bullshit around this forum.
Originally posted by dred05:
set on 2,4 is always an option
Is it really? Actually, no, you're wrong again. Here is a screen shot of Imgburn with a Verbatim MKM-003 8X rated disc in the drive. Check out the supported write speeds shown on the right: -
What does it say?.....
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Supported Write Speeds: 4X, 6X, 8X
I don't see 2.4X on that list. Do you?
If I select 2.4X as the burn speed anyway, the Imgburn log will say "wanted 2.4X, got 4X" and the disc would burn at 4X, because 2.4X is not one of the supported speeds.
If you want to believe that 2.4X is the best speed for everyone then that's fine, but don't go spreading that misinformation around the forum, because it's not true and other people might believe you.
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WJ99
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28. October 2009 @ 11:23 |
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The one that came with my PC does just fine. It burns the games, and don't see any problems so..
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