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I'm leaving the Xbox 360 Piracy Scene :)
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rdhood
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13. November 2009 @ 12:02 |
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Originally posted by qwert99:
@ MrGreaser:
In the satellite testing scene the same distinction is made. In that scene they call them "free TVers" vs. "true testers".
Maybe we can start calling the two groups "free 360ers" and "true modders".
I'm no idiot. I am not going to run out and immediately buy a new 360 tomorrow only to get it banned again. It will be some time before that is safe to do again. And even then, it will need to be proven to me that it is safe enough to get my feet back in the water.
I am just saying that I am not ready to throw in the towel just because I got banned from Xbox Live. I got a year and a half of good use out of Xbox Live playing backup games, and it was well worth the cost tradeoff.
Here's the thing: Microsoft has two way communication with your box. MS could easily go to the hack/countermeasure policies of satellite boxes. The difference is that whenever the sat companies came out with a countermeasure, you did not have to go buy a new sat receiver. You could sit and wait for an updated hack.
For those developing the hack, they could try-try-again until they got it right at no additional cost other than time spent.
With the two way model, they ban your console forever and it begins to get very expensive to play the game. The person developing mods has to have a stream of boxes (or emulators) and accounts to keep trying. The people using mods have to fork over $$$ for a new console every time they are locked out.
All MS has to do now is to start instituting counter measures more often and more randomly (time wise), and more directed at repeat offenders. This wont stop modding, but will make it more expensive to mod than to just go out and buy the games.
The best way to break their hold is to figure out how to make a console present itself as "not banned", if that is even possible. Spoofing legitimate unbanned consoles would seem to be the next best hack. If MS started banning legitimate users because someone else was able to impersonate their console, then console banning would go away quickly. Until then, I think that the modding scene just go very expensive and iffy for those who want to continue.
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aqswde123
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13. November 2009 @ 12:02 |
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Originally posted by DavGerm4:
Originally posted by aqswde123:
screw you guys :D...ill only buy games which are really worth..mw2 etc...game developers most of the time just release bad/mediocre games with fancy trailers and and hype to fool people into buying them.
I remeber this game total club manager i bought and it was so badly bugged, it not load past a certain date (about 15 mins into the game) they released a patch in 2 weeks(200 mb) was on dial up then and was never able to play it.
ever once in a while there are scares like this but every single time the hackers have won...remember starforce protection for pc...
Wow, and that's how they make a living here! Lets see you make a game since all the others suck!
hmm... thousand of people make a living selling copied disk on the streets of hong kong...lets c u give them a life...
its the same....will be the same... a mate of urs tells you a movie is bad u dload and watch it...if the movie is good you go to the theatre...
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qwert99
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13. November 2009 @ 12:08 |
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I take your point, but there have been pleeenttty of cases in the sat testing scene where new hardware has been required. Many, many times, actually.
Insofar as spoofing console IDs is concerned -- that may be a valid way of unbanning the Xbox 'from itself'. By that I mean allowing you access to the HDD install feature, etc again. However, like you say, communication is 2-way with the 360. What you are speculating about sounds uncomfortably close to fraud when it comes to trying that out with a company that has my IP address and credit card information.
For offline use, though, yes...that does seem to be the best way to go about things. If we could use a 'keygen' to generate new 360 console IDs that look real enough to the 360 itself to fool it into thinking that it isn't on the blacklist, then we could forever regain HDD install and media features, even if we still wouldn't have access to Live.
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gameover9
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13. November 2009 @ 12:47 |
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Originally posted by dgrandt:
It only costs like $129 to buy a used 360 from GameStop or places like that. Heck, you can pickup RROD boxes from eBay for $30-$40 and fix em up in 40 minutes - flash the drive while they are open - and be back at it in no time.
So why all the sad faces?
Every used box I've seen from gamestop has had the xclamp fix done to them. I would advise not to buy thise POS's
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dgrandt
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13. November 2009 @ 13:58 |
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Originally posted by gameover9:
Originally posted by dgrandt:
It only costs like $129 to buy a used 360 from GameStop or places like that. Heck, you can pickup RROD boxes from eBay for $30-$40 and fix em up in 40 minutes - flash the drive while they are open - and be back at it in no time.
So why all the sad faces?
Every used box I've seen from gamestop has had the xclamp fix done to them. I would advise not to buy thise POS's
LOLOL - and why exactly would a box with the x-clamp repair done to it be any worse off than a box untouched that will most certainly go RROD anyhow?? Between my sons console and mine, we have NINE TIMES gotten replacements from Microsoft. The last time they each went RROD they were both out of the 3yr warranty so I just repaired them myself. These things go bad the way Microsoft sold them, so why would you think one that has been fixed would be worse off than one that hasn't been fixed??
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gameover9
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13. November 2009 @ 14:03 |
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Originally posted by dgrandt:
Originally posted by gameover9:
Originally posted by dgrandt:
It only costs like $129 to buy a used 360 from GameStop or places like that. Heck, you can pickup RROD boxes from eBay for $30-$40 and fix em up in 40 minutes - flash the drive while they are open - and be back at it in no time.
So why all the sad faces?
Every used box I've seen from gamestop has had the xclamp fix done to them. I would advise not to buy thise POS's
LOLOL - and why exactly would a box with the x-clamp repair done to it be any worse off than a box untouched that will most certainly go RROD anyhow?? Between my sons console and mine, we have NINE TIMES gotten replacements from Microsoft. The last time they each went RROD they were both out of the 3yr warranty so I just repaired them myself. These things go bad the way Microsoft sold them, so why would you think one that has been fixed would be worse off than one that hasn't been fixed??
are you serious?
First, x-clamp voids the warranty. Second xclamp fix is retarded. It flexes the motherboard and simply doesn't last. You need to make sure you reflow the motherboard.
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rdhood
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13. November 2009 @ 14:26 |
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Originally posted by qwert99:
I take your point, but there have been pleeenttty of cases in the sat testing scene where new hardware has been required. Many, many times, actually.
Insofar as spoofing console IDs is concerned -- that may be a valid way of unbanning the Xbox 'from itself'. By that I mean allowing you access to the HDD install feature, etc again. However, like you say, communication is 2-way with the 360. What you are speculating about sounds uncomfortably close to fraud when it comes to trying that out with a company that has my IP address and credit card information.
For offline use, though, yes...that does seem to be the best way to go about things. If we could use a 'keygen' to generate new 360 console IDs that look real enough to the 360 itself to fool it into thinking that it isn't on the blacklist, then we could forever regain HDD install and media features, even if we still wouldn't have access to Live.
Ah,look at this... from Daily Tech:
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Update: Friday, Nov. 13, 2009 12:30 p.m.:
A fix appears to have arrived, according to some of the forums, but it is rather complex and requires access to either an Xbox 360 you know the CPU key of, or did not update over the summer. According to user k0mpresd on Xbox-Scene:
what you need:
your 8955 live console + cpu key
a 2nd unbanned console
nandpro b + flash cable
xell loader
degraded
1888 fs
robinsod's flashtool
process:
use nandpro and dump nand from unbanned console.
flash xell and use jtag hack to obtain cpu key.
use flashtool to extract file system.
dump nand from 8955 console.
use flashtool to patch nand dump with kv.bin from unbanned console.
save patched file (patched_kv.bin).
open degraded + 1888 fs.
create 1888 downgrader image (downgrader.bin) from your patched_kv.bin file.
flash downgrader.bin to 8955 console.
attach hdd + ethernet cable and boot console.
connect to live and update to 8955 dashboard.
console is now fully working and unbanned!
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So someone IS working on console spoofing! This still looks like if one console gets banned , they will both be banned. I would not let someone spoof my console to recover theirs!
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XPerryX
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13. November 2009 @ 14:42 |
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So, Wave 5 was just released today. Another reason why I give up on the scene lol.
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gameover9
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13. November 2009 @ 14:44 |
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Originally posted by rdhood:
Originally posted by qwert99:
I take your point, but there have been pleeenttty of cases in the sat testing scene where new hardware has been required. Many, many times, actually.
Insofar as spoofing console IDs is concerned -- that may be a valid way of unbanning the Xbox 'from itself'. By that I mean allowing you access to the HDD install feature, etc again. However, like you say, communication is 2-way with the 360. What you are speculating about sounds uncomfortably close to fraud when it comes to trying that out with a company that has my IP address and credit card information.
For offline use, though, yes...that does seem to be the best way to go about things. If we could use a 'keygen' to generate new 360 console IDs that look real enough to the 360 itself to fool it into thinking that it isn't on the blacklist, then we could forever regain HDD install and media features, even if we still wouldn't have access to Live.
Ah,look at this... from Daily Tech:
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Update: Friday, Nov. 13, 2009 12:30 p.m.:
A fix appears to have arrived, according to some of the forums, but it is rather complex and requires access to either an Xbox 360 you know the CPU key of, or did not update over the summer. According to user k0mpresd on Xbox-Scene:
what you need:
your 8955 live console + cpu key
a 2nd unbanned console
nandpro b + flash cable
xell loader
degraded
1888 fs
robinsod's flashtool
process:
use nandpro and dump nand from unbanned console.
flash xell and use jtag hack to obtain cpu key.
use flashtool to extract file system.
dump nand from 8955 console.
use flashtool to patch nand dump with kv.bin from unbanned console.
save patched file (patched_kv.bin).
open degraded + 1888 fs.
create 1888 downgrader image (downgrader.bin) from your patched_kv.bin file.
flash downgrader.bin to 8955 console.
attach hdd + ethernet cable and boot console.
connect to live and update to 8955 dashboard.
console is now fully working and unbanned!
--------------------------------------------------------------
So someone IS working on console spoofing! This still looks like if one console gets banned , they will both be banned. I would not let someone spoof my console to recover theirs!
Good luck on this. You need to be good at soldering.
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13. November 2009 @ 18:25 |
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Originally posted by DavGerm4:
Originally posted by dgrandt:
It only costs like $129 to buy a used 360 from GameStop or places like that. Heck, you can pickup RROD boxes from eBay for $30-$40 and fix em up in 40 minutes - flash the drive while they are open - and be back at it in no time.
So why all the sad faces?
Because that may not seem like a whole lot of money, but when you're unemployed, that's money that you can't spend on an xbox! I can handle using my PS3, have mw2 for it so I'm good.
Makes total sense. Go get a 30-40 dollar RROD box for retail and use the old banned box for back-ups.
Or your method of buying a 300 dollars PS3 and having to shell out 65 dollars a game.
Sorry, this makes no fiscal sense. Especially to those that are unemployed.
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qwert99
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13. November 2009 @ 18:40 |
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Originally posted by rdhood:
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So someone IS working on console spoofing! This still looks like if one console gets banned , they will both be banned. I would not let someone spoof my console to recover theirs!
Yes, that method has been around for a long time. However, you are just stealing from Peter to pay Paul. No matter what, you will still have one banned console and one unbanned console. Both consoles can't have the same ID and connect to live at the same time, as far as I am aware.
HOWEVER, this method may still be useful to get the features back that the ban took away, such as installing to the HDD. Both systems could have the same console ID if one were for exclusively offline use and the other were for online use as well. Another benefit to doing it this way would be that you could transfer your HDD between consoles without corruption. So, basically, you would still have a banned console, but you would have your offline features restored. The only way around this, as far as I see it, is to be able to get a console ID (cpu key) from a motherboard that for some reason is defective and you can't use anyway.
$38 on new discs -- Check
$15 on burn after burn that showed as a DVD -- Check
$11 on new laser -- Check
$28 on new multimeter -- Check
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13. November 2009 @ 19:14 |
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Originally posted by qwert99:
Originally posted by rdhood:
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HOWEVER, this method may still be useful to get the features back that the ban took away, such as installing to the HDD. Both systems could have the same console ID if one were for exclusively offline use and the other were for online use as well. Another benefit to doing it this way would be that you could transfer your HDD between consoles without corruption. So, basically, you would still have a banned console, but you would have your offline features restored. The only way around this, as far as I see it, is to be able to get a console ID (cpu key) from a motherboard that for some reason is defective and you can't use anyway.
x2, i like this idea. Ive got a legit, unmodded xbox for live play, and a banned/modded one for offline play. It would be nice if my banned console had all its features back.
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qwert99
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13. November 2009 @ 19:21 |
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The danger, though, is that if you ever do use the modded console with the same console ID to connect to Live, you could be flagged and your legit, non-modded console would get the ban as well.
$38 on new discs -- Check
$15 on burn after burn that showed as a DVD -- Check
$11 on new laser -- Check
$28 on new multimeter -- Check
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13. November 2009 @ 19:38 |
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Originally posted by XPerryX:
I don't know about you but I think its time that Microsoft is finally getting the hang of our Modded consoles.
I'm actually quite happy that my xbox w/ iXtreme FW RROD'd just in time before the ban wave hit us. I've had that console modded since last October. Just now I bought Left 4 Dead and I bought COD MW2 on the release date. It felt good. Knowing these games I'm going to insert my Xbox will not get me banned. I got sick of being cautious every time I played a new game that was surely to be a hit and Microsoft would have its eyes praying over our Xbox's.
It is going to be a pain in the butt trying to recover all the burnt games I like (10 so far) but eh, Christmas is coming and I'm from a big family. Meaning lots of moolah :)
As I conclude this stupid "farewell" message, I just wanted to say good luck to all the people who have a console with live enabled w/ iXtreme FW and hasn't gotten banned yet.
good bye and good riddance
I have lost all and any respect i had for this site!
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13. November 2009 @ 22:09 |
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Originally posted by qwert99:
I take your point, but there have been pleeenttty of cases in the sat testing scene where new hardware has been required. Many, many times, actually.
Insofar as spoofing console IDs is concerned -- that may be a valid way of unbanning the Xbox 'from itself'. By that I mean allowing you access to the HDD install feature, etc again. However, like you say, communication is 2-way with the 360. What you are speculating about sounds uncomfortably close to fraud when it comes to trying that out with a company that has my IP address and credit card information.
For offline use, though, yes...that does seem to be the best way to go about things. If we could use a 'keygen' to generate new 360 console IDs that look real enough to the 360 itself to fool it into thinking that it isn't on the blacklist, then we could forever regain HDD install and media features, even if we still wouldn't have access to Live.
I was thinking the same thing, why hasn't someone made a "keygen" to generate new ID #'s for the consoles and Serial #'s if needed? They do this for regular pc software out there, it would be great if someone could make this and then we wont be on their ban list.
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13. November 2009 @ 22:14 |
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I guess MS wins then right?
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15. November 2009 @ 05:42 |
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Originally posted by qwert99:
@ MrGreaser:
In the satellite testing scene the same distinction is made. In that scene they call them "free TVers" vs. "true testers".
Maybe we can start calling the two groups "free 360ers" and "true modders".
I'm no idiot. I am not going to run out and immediately buy a new 360 tomorrow only to get it banned again. It will be some time before that is safe to do again. And even then, it will need to be proven to me that it is safe enough to get my feet back in the water.
I am just saying that I am not ready to throw in the towel just because I got banned from Xbox Live. I got a year and a half of good use out of Xbox Live playing backup games, and it was well worth the cost tradeoff.
I've been interested in the 'scene' since the Commodore 64 days. One little speedbump in the road isn't going to be enough to make me cry 'uncle'.
Of course, by the time I am ready to mod again, I am sure all of these people saying that they are through with modding are going to be posting in these very forums again. They will be begging at that point for all of the latest info about modding, I am sure.
And then when the cat catches this mouse again, we will hear the same "I quit!" stuff all over again... and the cycle continues.
qwert99, it seems we've grown in the same circles (Dave, Charlie, and Bev...long live FTA!), although the 360 scene is something completely new to me. You were the first person to offer me patience and advice on this forum. Since then, many more have shown me the same courtesy. I am grateful for everyone's help.
I can only hope to gain enough knowledge in this area to be able to return the favor to someone else...though I'm catching on quick.
There are master coders working for M$ who are trying to shut us down when we do this, which creates a certain amount of respect and competition from both sides of the spectrum. It amazes me when we people rise up as master coders on our side who circumvent their tactics. I don't know about you, but I love that.
I'll be riding this wave until the next console arrives. I've always loved watching a good fight.
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qwert99
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15. November 2009 @ 12:37 |
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Originally posted by MrGreaser:
qwert99, it seems we've grown in the same circles (Dave, Charlie, and Bev...long live FTA!), although the 360 scene is something completely new to me. You were the first person to offer me patience and advice on this forum. Since then, many more have shown me the same courtesy. I am grateful for everyone's help.
I can only hope to gain enough knowledge in this area to be able to return the favor to someone else...though I'm catching on quick.
There are master coders working for M$ who are trying to shut us down when we do this, which creates a certain amount of respect and competition from both sides of the spectrum. It amazes me when we people rise up as master coders on our side who circumvent their tactics. I don't know about you, but I love that.
I'll be riding this wave until the next console arrives. I've always loved watching a good fight.
Thanks for the kind words. It is my pleasure to help out, and it is always all the more rewarding to help those who can help themselves, as you obviously can.
I actually wasn't really hip to FTA when Dave was the big game on the block. I was a bit too young to be able to afford that hobby at the time. My first testing equipment was actually an Atmega card on Charlie. As of the last Charlie 'ban wave', I was using a PCI DVB card, which was great. I refuse to use IKS now...too risky.
As far as the 'Spy vs. Spy', or 'Coder vs. Coder' game, yeah, it is great fun. This current ban wave is actually really fun to keep up with.
In my younger days I did a bit of what could be called 'hacking' in certain online games, and I remember the great thrill of that. This scene, with its cat and mouse games, reminds me of that thrill.
$38 on new discs -- Check
$15 on burn after burn that showed as a DVD -- Check
$11 on new laser -- Check
$28 on new multimeter -- Check
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