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15. November 2009 @ 22:33 |
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Having seen the banhammer going nuts these last couple of weeks, it was inevatble that the speculation about how and why ? some comments being smart and calculated, some being positivley stupid.
However out of shear curiosity we figured we?d throw our own speculation into the wind and share with you a couple of tests we did that showed interesting results (but by all means conclusive). Remember ? this is SPECULATION !
Scenario: 4 Xbox?s. Unused ? all Liteon 74580C (March 2009).
Box 1: Connect virgin to Live. Let it do all the latest live updates. Flash to iXtreme v1.6. No backup games.
Box 2: Connect virgin to Live. Let it do all the latest live updates. Flash to iXtreme v1.6. Play Fifa 10 backup (abgx verified).
Box 3: Flash to iXtreme v1.6 out of the box. Connect to live. Let it do all the latest live updates. No backup games.
Box 4: Flash to iXtreme v1.6 out of the box. Connect to live. Let it do all the latest live updates. Play Fifa 10 backup (abgx verified).
Results after 1 week.
Box 1: Still on Live.
Box 2: Still on Live.
Box 3: Banned ?
Box 4: Banned ???
Interesting ?
http://team-xecuter.com/xbox-live-some-test-results/
Update virgin xbox to 1.6 then update on live no ban
Flash virgin xbox to 1.6 update on live ban
Xenon Xbox, Ixtreme 1.6, Updated Gpu, Case Mod
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Kenny25
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15. November 2009 @ 22:39 |
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Really is weird. I just flashed my 360 about 2 weeks ago. Played 2 AGBX verified backups. I'm still not banned. As a matter of fact, I've put quite a few hours into MW2 online. As for one being banned without playing any backups, thats really weird.
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15. November 2009 @ 22:47 |
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ok so I just got a xbox and I've been on live so I'm assuming I've done these updates. Now are you saying I would theoretically be safe or unsafe to flash???
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15. November 2009 @ 23:00 |
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The way this article makes it sound yes... But I would keep my meat out the grinder and wait :p your xbox your choice mines been banned so o well. I didnt take a loss on it anyway i got it for free rrod :)
Xenon Xbox, Ixtreme 1.6, Updated Gpu, Case Mod
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ebxtreme
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15. November 2009 @ 23:02 |
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Interesting indeed ... however, this only means that if the first two tests are truly an effective way to avoid the Ban-Hammer, its only temporary.
Whatever was put into those last Live updates will be put into all future updates to take care of the "Box 1 & 2" consoles they missed.
What makes it unavoidable is the fact that we must accept new Live updates in order to stay on Live. This then will turn "Box 1 & 2" consoles into "Box 3 & 4" consoles since they will already have iXtreme v1.6 loaded them.
IF you're a "Box 1 & 2" survivor, perhaps reverting back to stock firmware before accepting future Live updates might help bypass the banhammer IF this works. However, the hammer is inevitable for Lite-on drives due to their inability to flash back to stock firmware.
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Donaldo
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15. November 2009 @ 23:36 |
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well if you believe the results then it is obvious the firmware is detectable in some way... considering a console with NO GAMES played was banned...
either that or the method used to flash the console (i.e. running off xbox360 power) but that wouldnt make sense cause if they did them all the same way then they woulda all been banned for that ...
imho i'd say the firmware is detectable... its not 100% cause there are people/consoles which havent gotten flagged yet but this is far beyond detecting a bad rip/angle ...
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15. November 2009 @ 23:44 |
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qwert99
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16. November 2009 @ 00:02 |
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Notice that on #3, they say no backup games have been played. They do not say that no games were played. Although they do not specify.
It isn't necessarily the firmware being directly read. It could also be original games being played and giving responses different than a stock firmware would give. The amount of time responses take have been a security issue in the firmware in the past.
$38 on new discs -- Check
$15 on burn after burn that showed as a DVD -- Check
$11 on new laser -- Check
$28 on new multimeter -- Check
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gameover9
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16. November 2009 @ 00:11 |
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I have:
1 Hitachi 1.5.1 no ban
1.6.1 sammy no ban
Just flashed a few days ago and been playing online all week.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 16. November 2009 @ 00:12
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qwert99
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16. November 2009 @ 00:16 |
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Out of curiosity, which system category would they fit in? Received update with stock firmware or received update with modified firmware?
$38 on new discs -- Check
$15 on burn after burn that showed as a DVD -- Check
$11 on new laser -- Check
$28 on new multimeter -- Check
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gameover9
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16. November 2009 @ 08:09 |
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Originally posted by qwert99:
Out of curiosity, which system category would they fit in? Received update with stock firmware or received update with modified firmware?
I updated after I flashed.
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manu07
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16. November 2009 @ 13:24 |
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Originally posted by gameover9:
Originally posted by qwert99:
Out of curiosity, which system category would they fit in? Received update with stock firmware or received update with modified firmware?
I updated after I flashed.
so in therey if you play offline with modded firmware and flash back to stock every time you connect to live. you wont get detected based on the validity of thease tests
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gameover9
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16. November 2009 @ 13:46 |
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Originally posted by manu07:
Originally posted by gameover9:
Originally posted by qwert99:
Out of curiosity, which system category would they fit in? Received update with stock firmware or received update with modified firmware?
I updated after I flashed.
so in therey if you play offline with modded firmware and flash back to stock every time you connect to live. you wont get detected based on the validity of thease tests
Stop telling people stupid crap. This is false. You will still get banned.
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manu07
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16. November 2009 @ 13:59 |
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Originally posted by gameover9:
Originally posted by manu07:
Originally posted by gameover9:
Originally posted by qwert99:
Out of curiosity, which system category would they fit in? Received update with stock firmware or received update with modified firmware?
I updated after I flashed.
so in theroy if you play offline with modded firmware and flash back to stock every time you connect to live. you wont get detected based on the validity of these tests
Stop telling people stupid crap. This is false. You will still get banned.
yo calm down im not telling anyone anything it was more of a question than a statement sorry for forgetting the ? and i did say based on the validity of thease tests. and there has been no proof to its validity.
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gameover9
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16. November 2009 @ 14:03 |
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Originally posted by manu07:
Originally posted by gameover9:
Originally posted by manu07:
Originally posted by gameover9:
Originally posted by qwert99:
Out of curiosity, which system category would they fit in? Received update with stock firmware or received update with modified firmware?
I updated after I flashed.
so in theroy if you play offline with modded firmware and flash back to stock every time you connect to live. you wont get detected based on the validity of these tests
Stop telling people stupid crap. This is false. You will still get banned.
yo calm down im not telling anyone anything it was more of a question than a statement sorry for forgetting the ? and i did say based on the validity of thease tests. and there has been no proof to its validity.
yo you homie no problemo. Speaking English helps, even though mine sucks.
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shakey001
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16. November 2009 @ 14:03 |
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Originally posted by gameover9:
Originally posted by manu07:
Originally posted by gameover9:
Originally posted by qwert99:
Out of curiosity, which system category would they fit in? Received update with stock firmware or received update with modified firmware?
I updated after I flashed.
so in therey if you play offline with modded firmware and flash back to stock every time you connect to live. you wont get detected based on the validity of thease tests
Stop telling people stupid crap. This is false. You will still get banned.
I don't think he is saying that is safe, he is simply pointing out that both his consoles fit into the same category as the original posters banned units, he updated after modding and is still on Live, the original poster's units were banned using the same process.. As well as many others, but this does say that the ones that eren't banned may yet get the ban hammer because it may be just luck... so far
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rulemob
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16. November 2009 @ 15:13 |
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I restore both my benQ back to original firmware and I am safe still dont know if that helps anyone but if you have the means to flash just reflash your original back on it>\.
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John_Donn
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16. November 2009 @ 15:23 |
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this appears to mean that the update detects the firmware. But it only checks at the time of the update. That's why im not banned because io havent done these updates yet. I bet if you buy a new xbox now and update then flash you will be fine
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shakey001
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16. November 2009 @ 15:31 |
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that is possible, but I don't think this proves it, maybe if anyone that has done the same that gets banned says so, there may also be other tests that continue after the update... It may make it safer but just a few reports is not what I would risk my console on..
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16. November 2009 @ 15:36 |
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Just to throw this in the mix. I had a BenQ that hasn't been on live since May 2009. Less than a week ago I got online with iX 1.61. I applied the updates and was able to sign into Live. I immediately shut off the console and restored stock firmware and got back online. I have been on Live since then playing MW2.
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rulemob
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16. November 2009 @ 15:47 |
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I should add that I have restored my benQs but i Alsop have one for my kid and here the rule for him. Online with xbox that was restored to original "when I'm not play original disk" but i have a modded xbox for him to play backups on when he has friends over and that dont go online but he does switch hard drives between the two and I haven't had a problem (yet) crossfingers.
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16. November 2009 @ 15:56 |
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last sunday 11/8/09 i wanted to play MW2 really bad and i didnt want my box to get banned so i took an older 360 that had never been modded before that someone gave me cause it wouldnt read discs. it had a bad drive it in a benq. i read the key from it and then spoofed a samsung and it worked fine. i started playing MW2 online that night 2 days before release. i have been using this same console to play MW2 online for the past week with no problems. I think most bans this month have accured on mondays, so its highly liekly it could get banned today. we will see.
oh and the copy of MW2 i had was a backup but it was from a retail copy and all stealth passed. i have double checked it and it is a good copy.
If you send me questions on Live about modding or anything related i will block you. Dont be an idiot.
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ddp
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16. November 2009 @ 19:00 |
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