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22. November 2009 @ 20:22 |
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Originally posted by Rooq:
Originally posted by haza12d:
What kind of drive are you using?
I am using a Samsung | SH?D162D or SH-D162C - IDE - Kreon Drive not too sure which but i'm sure its one of them
Well this is obviously why you aren't seeing the info.
Did you read this thread? I said in order to do that, you need a drive flashed with 0800. So you try a kreon?
re-read this thread again.
need jtag help? Xbox 360 console repair? PM me or chatThis message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 22. November 2009 @ 20:27
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22. November 2009 @ 22:32 |
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Originally posted by asjb69:
Originally posted by uturn68:
Originally posted by lithium21:
Originally posted by uturn68:
so does l4d2 have ssv2?
yes it does
can anyone confirm this? i cant find any info verifying it.i would have thought this ssv2 info would be big news, but there isnt much info on it.
Well i just got done i went back to Red Faction Guerrilla
0800 said SSV2 and Kreon said SSv1
thanks for confirming. i guess im going to have to give up on l4d2 since i cant find a rip that contains v2.
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haza12d
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23. November 2009 @ 01:49 |
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Originally posted by guessswho:
Originally posted by Rooq:
Originally posted by haza12d:
What kind of drive are you using?
I am using a Samsung | SH?D162D or SH-D162C - IDE - Kreon Drive not too sure which but i'm sure its one of them
Well this is obviously why you aren't seeing the info.
Did you read this thread? I said in order to do that, you need a drive flashed with 0800. So you try a kreon?
re-read this thread again.
I think he's saying that his logs from the Kreon are identical to a log from an 0800 rip, saying that all the angles are picked up, as well as SSv2... I wonder if that is even possible...
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Nunta
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23. November 2009 @ 16:02 |
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So i have a samsung with ixtreme 1.61 on it. To rip games using it do i only have to start windows up with it connected and have the tray half open??? Should I use XBC or schtrom360xtract??
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23. November 2009 @ 16:59 |
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Originally posted by haza12d:
Originally posted by guessswho:
Originally posted by Rooq:
Originally posted by haza12d:
What kind of drive are you using?
I am using a Samsung | SH?D162D or SH-D162C - IDE - Kreon Drive not too sure which but i'm sure its one of them
Well this is obviously why you aren't seeing the info.
Did you read this thread? I said in order to do that, you need a drive flashed with 0800. So you try a kreon?
re-read this thread again.
I think he's saying that his logs from the Kreon are identical to a log from an 0800 rip, saying that all the angles are picked up, as well as SSv2... I wonder if that is even possible...
Thanks haza12d. Thats what i mean here is the link again for the rip using my kreon drive. http://pastebin.com/m5cdf49f6 , it looks the same as the rip from the 0800 unless i am not looking at the right place. Correct me if im wrong.
idk if it hleps but yea
So I went ahead and downloaded a version of Mw2 so i can compare it with the rip i did(using the Kreon drive)when i ran the downloaded one through abgx it did not show all the ss angles..here is the log for the Downloaded mw2 version. http://pastebin.com/m288a1fc1
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23. November 2009 @ 18:18 |
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Originally posted by Rooq:
Originally posted by haza12d:
Originally posted by guessswho:
Originally posted by Rooq:
Originally posted by haza12d:
What kind of drive are you using?
I am using a Samsung | SH?D162D or SH-D162C - IDE - Kreon Drive not too sure which but i'm sure its one of them
Well this is obviously why you aren't seeing the info.
Did you read this thread? I said in order to do that, you need a drive flashed with 0800. So you try a kreon?
re-read this thread again.
I think he's saying that his logs from the Kreon are identical to a log from an 0800 rip, saying that all the angles are picked up, as well as SSv2... I wonder if that is even possible...
Thanks haza12d. Thats what i mean here is the link again for the rip using my kreon drive. http://pastebin.com/m5cdf49f6 , it looks the same as the rip from the 0800 unless i am not looking at the right place. Correct me if im wrong.
idk if it hleps but yea
So I went ahead and downloaded a version of Mw2 so i can compare it with the rip i did(using the Kreon drive)when i ran the downloaded one through abgx it did not show all the ss angles..here is the log for the Downloaded mw2 version. http://pastebin.com/m288a1fc1
look at line #91, it says ssv1. if you want to see it easier,set verbosity to high in abgx.
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23. November 2009 @ 19:10 |
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Thanks haza12d. Thats what i mean here is the link again for the rip using my kreon drive. http://pastebin.com/m5cdf49f6 , it looks the same as the rip from the 0800 unless i am not looking at the right place. Correct me if im wrong.
idk if it hleps but yea
So I went ahead and downloaded a version of Mw2 so i can compare it with the rip i did(using the Kreon drive)when i ran the downloaded one through abgx it did not show all the ss angles..here is the log for the Downloaded mw2 version. http://pastebin.com/m3c1220bd
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look at line #91, it says ssv1. if you want to see it easier,set verbosity to high in abgx.
oh ok thats one way to look at it.
the kreon rip is ssv2 and the downloaded one is ssv1. so does this mean kreon is safe?
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ebxtreme
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23. November 2009 @ 20:20 |
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Here are the comparison results of a retail disc rip for Left 4 Dead 2.
As stated in the photo, in ABGX's quickstart guide and these results ... Kreon drives can not rip SS v2 discs properly.
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23. November 2009 @ 21:08 |
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Originally posted by ebxtreme:
Here are the comparison results of a retail disc rip for Left 4 Dead 2.
As stated in the photo, in ABGX's quickstart guide and these results ... Kreon drives can not rip SS v2 discs properly.
Ok but If u look at my postes i get the ssv2 on the mw2 which i ripped using a kreon drive, but i get the ssv1 on the mw2 which i downloaded. So wat does that mean? also does all the games have ssv2 or just the newer ones?
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24. November 2009 @ 00:37 |
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i have no idea how your kreon rip says ssv2 unless you got it confused with the downloaded one because my kreon rip is v1 and my download is v2.
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24. November 2009 @ 01:41 |
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Originally posted by uturn68:
Originally posted by lithium21:
Originally posted by uturn68:
so does l4d2 have ssv2?
yes it does
can anyone confirm this? i cant find any info verifying it.i would have thought this ssv2 info would be big news, but there isnt much info on it.
ssv2 was found awhile back... I believe in one of the soccer games. Just a quick search show it was around since at least July. Most likely earlier, I'm sure. You can see it mentioned starting in the 3rd post.
http://www.xboxhacker.net/index.php?acti...99;sa=showPosts
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24. November 2009 @ 02:11 |
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Originally posted by uturn68:
i have no idea how your kreon rip says ssv2 unless you got it confused with the downloaded one because my kreon rip is v1 and my download is v2.
Take into account that there are multiple different uploads of mw2 that you can download.
I also thought that was weird after reading this post so i downloaded a version of mw2. I am a hundered percent sure i checked over 10times (and i just checked again) the downloaded one show only ssv1 and the retail of mw2 I ripped using a kreon drive shows the ssv2.
I am really confused now
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24. November 2009 @ 02:35 |
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Originally posted by Rooq:
Originally posted by uturn68:
i have no idea how your kreon rip says ssv2 unless you got it confused with the downloaded one because my kreon rip is v1 and my download is v2.
Take into account that there are multiple different uploads of mw2 that you can download.
I also thought that was weird after reading this post so i downloaded a version of mw2. I am a hundered percent sure i checked over 10times (and i just checked again) the downloaded one show only ssv1 and the retail of mw2 I ripped using a kreon drive shows the ssv2.
I am really confused now
that is very odd, but i would assume as long as its v2 you're good to go. very lucky your kreon seems to rip it correctly!
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24. November 2009 @ 04:08 |
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Reading the description of what SS V2 actually is, it doesn't seem to me that there's any such thing as "SS V2 games" or "SS V2 discs". It's just a new method of recording the angles in the SS, so it should apply to any game you rip, right? I've seen posts on other forums where people are ripping old games such as Oblivion with an 0800 drive and it's showing as SS V2 but doesn't that just mean that the angles have been recorded twice, which is what's supposed to happen?
Can someone rip an old game with an 0800 drive and see if it's the case, because I could be wrong, but I think people are getting hold of the wrong end of the stick here.
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24. November 2009 @ 05:58 |
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Just checked my Forza 2 rip and it shows as SSv2...
Confused now lol
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24. November 2009 @ 06:17 |
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Originally posted by matt54321:
Just checked my Forza 2 rip and it shows as SSv2...
Confused now lol
Yeah, this is what I thought would happen. Reading the description from abgx360 of what SS V2 actually is, it seems it's a feature of the firmware and not something that's specific to particular games. Rip with a Kreon drive and you'll get SS V1. Rip with an 0800 drive and you'll get SS V2. Saying that "Kreon cannot rip SS V2 discs properly" implies that there's SS V2 discs, but from what I can see there's not.
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matt54321
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24. November 2009 @ 10:11 |
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So are we now assuming that Kreon rips are ok then! Lol really need an expert answer on this rather than just speculating to be honest.
Quite funny because I bought a Kreon drive brand new for £23 then saw this thread winged it on ebay as I thought it was useless now it seems maybe not...
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24. November 2009 @ 10:30 |
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Originally posted by funksoulb:
Originally posted by matt54321:
Just checked my Forza 2 rip and it shows as SSv2...
Confused now lol
Yeah, this is what I thought would happen. Reading the description from abgx360 of what SS V2 actually is, it seems it's a feature of the firmware and not something that's specific to particular games. Rip with a Kreon drive and you'll get SS V1. Rip with an 0800 drive and you'll get SS V2. Saying that "Kreon cannot rip SS V2 discs properly" implies that there's SS V2 discs, but from what I can see there's not.
So your saying
0800 will always produce SS V2 (even if disc is SS V1)
Kreon will always produce SS V1 (even if disc is SS V2)
The latter is most definetly correct, but the former cant be. I need to get 0800 on my spare benq and do some tests.
Mind you I havent ripped a L4D2 with my kreon yet, might see what that turns up tonight.
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24. November 2009 @ 10:34 |
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Originally posted by SeriousEh:
So your saying
0800 will always produce SS V2 (even if disc is SS V1)
Kreon will always produce SS V1 (even if disc is SS V2)
The latter is most definetly correct, but the former cant be. I need to get 0800 on my spare benq and do some tests.
Mind you I havent ripped a L4D2 with my kreon yet, might see what that turns up tonight.
I am saying that, but it's just an educated guess based on reading what SS V2 actually is, which to me is a product of the improved ripping process that 0800 offers and is not some new kind of protection added to recent games. I don't think there's such a thing as "SSV1 discs" and "SSV2 discs" and so far I've not seen any evidence to the contrary.
Someone ripped Oblivion with an 0800 drive and got SS V2. The guy above ripped Forza 2 and got SS V2. IMO, this is what 0800 is designed to do with every game. It stores extra angles etc. compared to the Kreon method. If it was something that appeared in newer games then SS V2 wouldn't show up in a rip of Oblivion, which is a 3½ year old game.
A post from Xboxhacker backs this theory up too: -
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All ssv2 is, is more stored responses to types 5 and 7, the timing related ones. It's only something that c4eva does and is not part of original ss.bins
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ebxtreme
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24. November 2009 @ 10:49 |
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This is absolutely correct. SS v2 appears to be a more precise ripping method and not a type of game disc security.
Since reading the last few posts, I decided to rip a few older retail game discs with my 0800 drive and the results confirmed this.
Peter Jackson's King Kong (2005): SS v2
Test Drive Unlimited (2006): SS v2
Turok (2007): SS v2
So basically, the 0800 method reads more angles and deviation values than a Kreon drive without decoding any new disc securities.
Note: Poor choice of words in my previous post ("ss v2 discs"). It should have read kreon drives can not perform ss v2 rips.
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24. November 2009 @ 11:24 |
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Originally posted by funksoulb:
Originally posted by SeriousEh:
So your saying
0800 will always produce SS V2 (even if disc is SS V1)
Kreon will always produce SS V1 (even if disc is SS V2)
The latter is most definetly correct, but the former cant be. I need to get 0800 on my spare benq and do some tests.
Mind you I havent ripped a L4D2 with my kreon yet, might see what that turns up tonight.
I am saying that, but it's just an educated guess based on reading what SS V2 actually is, which to me is a product of the improved ripping process that 0800 offers and is not some new kind of protection added to recent games. I don't think there's such a thing as "SSV1 discs" and "SSV2 discs" and so far I've not seen any evidence to the contrary.
Someone ripped Oblivion with an 0800 drive and got SS V2. The guy above ripped Forza 2 and got SS V2. IMO, this is what 0800 is designed to do with every game. It stores extra angles etc. compared to the Kreon method. If it was something that appeared in newer games then SS V2 wouldn't show up in a rip of Oblivion, which is a 3½ year old game.
A post from Xboxhacker backs this theory up too: -
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All ssv2 is, is more stored responses to types 5 and 7, the timing related ones. It's only something that c4eva does and is not part of original ss.bins
Ok thanks for response. Its definetly intriguing.
I would like to see the abgx report on Oblivion ripped with kreon and Oblivion ripped with 0800. Just to see the difference.
What does SS stand for anyway? ;p
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24. November 2009 @ 11:30 |
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24. November 2009 @ 11:36 |
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SeriousEh - Read the post above yours. Now that ebxtreme has confirmed it by ripping some other games, it's pretty much a certainty now that what I said is true - 0800 always gives SSV2 and Kreon always gives SSV1, regardless of the game you're ripping.
SS = Security sector.
It seems that Kreon uses preset angles (angles that all 360 games up to now are known to use) with jitter applied, while 0800 actually reads each angle twice which is why I guess the "trust SS v2 angles" option has been added to abgx360. I guess it's only an issue if future games use different angles because then Kreon rips wouldn't have the correct angle info in the SS. Also, I guess it depends how iXtreme Lite Touch handles the angles. If it goes back to the pre-iXtreme 1.4 days then the option to adjust angle 359 will have to be checked in abgx360 and again, you'd have to go back and check all of your backups. We'll have to wait and see on that.
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24. November 2009 @ 12:27 |
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I found this a bit interesting:
Using ABGX and my 0800/fw DG-16D2S to check a "Burned DVD" (eg. Forza 3 / 0800 SS v2) it usually produces a media error. Usually says file is too small to be an Xbox 360 game or a layer break missing message. This is because the 0800 firmware I'm using is dedicated to "ripping" only as stated in its text file. However, if I place the same disc in my kreon drive it will check out perfectly using ABGX displaying FULL SS v2 results.
It's weird how a kreon drive can read SS v2 info off of a 0800-ripped backup but can not when ripping an official retail disc. Even if it's merely reading the ss info exactly how its been burned onto a disc, it's funny how a kreon can't rip it from retail. What do you think?
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24. November 2009 @ 12:35 |
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Originally posted by ebxtreme:
It's weird how a kreon drive can read SS v2 info off of a 0800-ripped backup but can not when ripping an official retail disc. Even if it's merely reading the ss info exactly how its been burned onto a disc, it's funny how a kreon can't rip it from retail. What do you think?
That's to be expected with a copy though, because they're straightforward to read and duplicate as there's no protection.
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