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playing back-ups, new xbox slim vs old model
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ashnewto
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3. August 2011 @ 18:26 |
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hi guys, (and girls)
my flashed xbox has experienced the rrod for the second time, first time i got it fixed by a man near me who takes off gpu and re-balls it? (his lingo.. I'm no techie)
This only worked for about 6 months and would cost me another £30quid to do again... i'm thinking of just buying a new xbox slim but have a few questions..
i assume this one still over heats? and rrod? (or similar as i hear they've taken the red lights from it)
is it possible to mod the new x-box slim to play backups or should i look at buying an older model?
might even try to flash/mod it myself... managed my wii, it it the same difficulty?
thanks in advance
Ash
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3. August 2011 @ 21:24 |
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wii soft mod = cakewalk
keeping up with M$ dashboard updates, and firmware updates = Hell
My best advice is to sit back and wait for teamjungle and c4eva to come up with a good solution. Now is not the time to flash 360s. Wait for the new firmware (LT+1.91) before you think about flashing your drive. You might need extra hardware depending on your motherboard's chipset. It's much different than modifying a wii. There are tons of threads on this forum alone to keep you reading for a while. If you read the Ultimate Stickies at the top of the 360 forum, you'll find about everything that you need to know.
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SONA007
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4. August 2011 @ 03:41 |
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Which (Phat) xbox Model do you have ?
The ones with Jasper MotherBoard and latest 93450c LiteOn Dvd Drives (Mfg. 2009 - 2010) are much stable and easier to flash compared to Slims.I have 2 of them (NTSC xbox - More Than 2 yrs old and Pal xBox -> Approx 1yr old ) and both were modded by me and working fine till date.My suggestion will be buy a Phat xBox 360 instead of buying an xbox slim.
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4. August 2011 @ 07:20 |
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I'd also go with a Jasper fat. The slims are nicer and considerably quieter, but also harder to flash and some models can't be flashed yet. All fats can be flashed. Reliability of 360s improved drastically with the release of the Jasper revision and the slim models don't appear to have any inherent issues either outside of the small percentage of failures you would get with any electronics.
As for flashing a fat, I recently bought a Maximus Lizard. It cost £60 for the kit, but it makes flashing any fat 360 a breeze. Once you've done the first firmware dump so you have a backup of the original firmware, all you need to do is connect the drive, select the option on the Lizard to erase the firmware, then select the option to write the latest LT+ (using your backup of your first firmware dump to get the drive key). It's quick and easy. The Lizard recognises your drive type and the Lizard software lets you download all of the latest LT+ firmware files in one go.
The kit I bought came with a probe to get the drive key if the 360 has a Lite-On drive that requires one, but you only have to use that once and it's easy to use if you follow the guide on the Lizard website. It also came with a longer SATA cable for connecting the drive and a cable that sits between the DVD drive and the DVD drive power socket. The cable has a switch on it so you can easily power cycle the drive (which you have to do a couple of times in the flashing process).
It's probably aimed at people who do modding for a living more than people like me, but if you were paying someone else to flash your 360, you'll save money in the long term by being able to flash it yourself and keep it up to date with the latest firmware.
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ashnewto
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4. August 2011 @ 08:29 |
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thanks guys!
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ashnewto
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4. August 2011 @ 08:34 |
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thanks guys, some really useful info here..
I've started looking on ebay for a new "phat" xbox with jasper.. but how do i know what model i need? do i need to ask the for a serial number etc?
I already have a hard drive so would i be ok getting an arcade version? (thats the only difference right?
and i like the sound of buying something to do it myself funksoulb, £60 isn't so much on the scale of things.. especially if i can help a friend out with theirs to recover some of the cost. will have a look look into that!
Ash
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4. August 2011 @ 08:59 |
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There are a couple of ways to identify a Jasper model, but perhaps the easiest is to ask the seller what Wattage the power supply is. There's a sticker on the bottom that says it. If it's 150 Watts, you're good to go.
The Jaspers started trickling out to stores at the end of 2008, then in the UK at the start of 2009, so the manufacture date is also a big clue. If you can get one manufactured, say, in mid-2009 or later, there's a 99% chance of that being a Jasper. In fact, it's probably a 100% chance with a manufacture date that late.
Your existing hard drive will just clip on, so you can get an Arcade. You'll need to do a license transfer on Xbox.com, to transfer the licenses of any content you've purchased from Xbox Live to the new console, so I'd advise you do that before you flash it.
And yeah, regarding the Lizard, I sounded like a bit of a Lizard salesman in that last post, lol, but that's only because it's a really good tool for the job and it's easy to use. It's not the only product out there that you can buy, but it's pretty much foolproof and the £60 kit I got also came with the extra cables and stuff that gives you everything you need for flashing fat models.
I'm no expert modder by any means, but the only advice I would give you is that the first time you dump the firmware, do it a couple of times to make sure the keys match up both times. As long as you know that the key is good and you've got it saved, you can't go far wrong. Oh yeah, get a case opening tool off eBay too as it makes popping the clips on the case a lot easier and it should come with the torx driver you need to get some of the screws out. If you go with the Lizard, all you need to do is follow the guides available on their site and once you've done it once or twice, you'll see how easy it is. Likewise with JungleFlasher if you decide not to go with the Lizard. The guide on the JungleFlasher site is excellent and walks you through every step.
Click HERE for up to date 360 tutorials that may help you! This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 4. August 2011 @ 09:01
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ashnewto
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4. August 2011 @ 09:17 |
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invaluable info funksoulb,
having a look for Xbox's now.. seen a deal actually for Final "Fantasy XIII Super Elite Bundle" 130 quid..
i can sell the game and two controllers and would make it cheaper than the arcade console I've seen at £120!
just gotta find the dates manufactured. cant even find cheaper on ebay.
then will look into flashing it! the kit you mentioned sounds good though, where you get it?
Ash
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ashnewto
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4. August 2011 @ 09:32 |
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sorry one more question now before i buy it.. its an xbox elite.. there's no problems with this i take it? its still applies as a phat version?
release date is march 2010 aswell!
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4. August 2011 @ 10:09 |
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That FFXIII console is a Jasper, no question.
All fat 360s are pretty much the same in terms of functionality and using hard drives/accessories with them. The only differences are these: -
1. The hardware revisions (internal changes and power consumption) such as Xephyr, Falcon, Jasper etc., with the Jasper being the last (most recent) of the fat hardware revisions.
2. Early 360s had no HDMI port - not an issue for you though.
3. Arcade units have either 256MB or 512MB of internal flash memory, as they came with no hard drive or memory unit. This doesn't affect you using a hard drive though.
4. The colour of the case.
5. Bundled games (if any) and accessories, for instance, an Arcade doesn't come with the wired headset, but the Elite does.
6. The type of DVD drive used. A fat Jasper will almost certainly have a Lite-On drive.
So any Jasper fat will be fine for your needs, regardless of whether it comes with internal memory, a hard drive or whatever, because your hard drive and all existing accessories you might own will work with it.
I got my Lizard kit from a site called Red Box Mods. I don't know if they're the cheapest, but that was the only place I could find them in stock in the UK and their price seemed pretty much the same as everywhere else. I got no email to say that the Lizard was despatched, but it turned up a couple of days after ordering and they take PayPal, so you've got some protection there if it doesn't show up, although they're an official distributor for Maximus products.
Click HERE for up to date 360 tutorials that may help you! This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 4. August 2011 @ 10:17
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ashnewto
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4. August 2011 @ 18:03 |
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for some reason couldn't buy that xbox i wanted.. it was advertised but they were not selling it.. weird!
i know what i need now though thanks!
i looked at that lizard kit, is it just a box? i'm guessing i need other pieces of equipment to actually mod the xbox?..
i tried to find a thread for complete noobs but couldn't find one?
i also looked at the jungle (correct me if i'm wrong) one which consisted of this.. (copied and pasted)
x360USB PRO MEGA BUNDLE #1 -
Kit Includes:
?XECUTER X360USB PRO (with case)
?XECUTER CK3 PRO (REV D)
?XECUTER CK3 PROBE 3
?XECUTER HDD ADAPTER (PHAT DRIVES)
?XECUTER XT ADAPTER
?XECUTER UNLOCK KIT V2 (PHAT MODELS)
guessing this is all i need? and was only 5quid more.. do they work in similar ways?
i noticed a "X360USB PRO ? Special Jungle Edition".. does this cut out the need for opening the xbox? and using all the kit above?
obviously WHEN i pick which on I'll get a guide with it (i hope!)
thanks
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4. August 2011 @ 19:03 |
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The Lizard comes with everything you need, apart from a case opening tool: -
The actual Lizard box of tricks
USB cable to connect it to your PC
SATA cable to connect it to the DVD drive
DVD drive power cable with a switch on it (makes it easier to power cycle the drive)
A Scorpion 2 probe
You don't 100% have to buy a case opening tool, but it makes it a lot easier and you'll need a torx driver anyway (which comes with the opening tool). They're only £2.99 on the Red Box site, so I would recommend getting one.
The pictures on the Red Box Mods site are a bit deceiving regarding that Lizard kit cos they show one of the Lizard, then one of the electronics inside the Lizard, rather than what you actually get, but if you read the description further down you'll see what comes with it.
I looked into the same kit that you've just posted about, but after asking about it on a couple of forums (including here), most people recommended the Lizard so I went with that.
Click HERE for up to date 360 tutorials that may help you! This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 4. August 2011 @ 19:10
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ashnewto
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5. August 2011 @ 17:54 |
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Your a good man,
thanks for perceiving with me.. gone completely with your advice!
"won" an Xbox at 7.20am today on eBay with a 2010 date for 102.00 quid (with fifa 11 = sell shop here i come!)
plus bought Xbox unlocking tool.. from eBay! (big fan! :-) about £1.50) i have opened it a few times before but for 1.50 may as well make it easier.. to be fair i got a torx set already in the tool box but this can add to my tool kit!
And just bought the lizard.. found a diff website though, did a search for uk sellers... there was only two! one you mentioned and one i got it from and one i got it from "teensy" there was no p&p costs! saves a fiver.. thanks for everything mate
Ash
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6. August 2011 @ 11:54 |
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No worries mate! It sounds like you've got everything you need now and the new firmware came out just last night, so you should be back up and running in no time.
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ashnewto
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15. August 2011 @ 17:29 |
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got my stuff today! well exited and was shocked there was nothing in the box in way of instructions! found them on the net though.
getting through most of it.. (well not really but following the steps).
one thing i don't know is how to actually set it up.. do you use the x-box power supply? so taking the cable out of xbox and plugging it into the "power drop?" it just comes with a general warning on the website?
Also do you use the stand alone option? i cant find my micro sd card apart from my blackberry one.. it says it should be empty though right?
otherwise i can just plus usb into the pc and use it that way?
hoping you can help
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16. August 2011 @ 00:29 |
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I use the 360 for powering the drive. There is a theory that this may lead to the console being flagged because at certain points the 360 is powered on, but the drive is off, but this has never been proven.
If you're connecting the Lizard to a PC or laptop, you don't need the microSD card as the firmware is dumped to your PC, plus the custom firmware is transferred from your PC too.
Here's the connections: -
Lizard to DVD drive using SATA cable
DVD drive to 360 power on the motherboard using the "power drop" cable with the switch on it
Lizard to PC using USB cable
Connect the probe to the legs of the chip if you need to use it
Also, make sure you have a video cable plugged into your 360 when you turn it on, otherwise it'll turn itself off after a short time.
If you follow the instructions in the PDF manual on the Lizard website (HERE), it's straightforward. The only way you can really mess it up is if you erase the firmware without dumping the key first, but the Lizard prompts you several times to ask "are you sure??" when you are at the erase stage, so it's hard to mess that up! As I said before, it's a good idea to dump the key a couple of times the first time you do it, to make sure the key is the same every time.
When you dump the firmware for the first time (and as long as you're sure the key is good), keep a backup of it. That way, you'll only have to use the probe the very first time you do it (if you have to use it at all, cos it depends on the drive type). With subsequent flashes, all you need to do then is connect everything up (minus the probe), erase the firmware, then write the new firmware that has the key in it taken from your original firmware backup.
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ashnewto
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16. August 2011 @ 16:16 |
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making really good progress setting it up, but it wont switch on, I'm at the stage testing if power is going to the scorpion.. and its not? the only thing i need to do it turn the power on the power drop? not on the console right?
its not working? i have checked all the connections?
am i missing something?
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16. August 2011 @ 16:46 |
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Originally posted by ashnewto:
making really good progress setting it up, but it wont switch on, I'm at the stage testing if power is going to the scorpion.. and its not? the only thing i need to do it turn the power on the power drop? not on the console right?
its not working? i have checked all the connections?
am i missing something?
Then you don't have the grabbers connected properly. I modded my lizard for PMT so the grabbers aren't needed which makes life much easier. If you bought a lizard, you should really read the manual here: http://www.360lizard.com/website/downloads.php
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ashnewto
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16. August 2011 @ 17:01 |
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i cant see that there is a wrong way to have the grabbers?
i have read that manual (and the actual guide for the drive i have) all last night and then tonight when i am putting it to use, http://www.360lizard.com/website/downloads/Tutorial1-FlashingAllLiteonswScorpion_V1.2_EN.pdf
.. I've got them the right way round red in the middle and black to the edge closest to end of board.. tried numerous ways to make them grab... i'm supposed to get it behind that pin right? there's a little gap for me to grab... (its not specific in the guide)
is there a way i can check there is power to everything else? and not just the scorpion? just to check its not a connection somewhere else?.. i hate learning new things :-s
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Modking30
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16. August 2011 @ 17:03 |
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Where did you get the lizard? Vgc? You may want to contact ED if it isn't working. He'll help you and make it right if it's bad.
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ashnewto
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16. August 2011 @ 17:06 |
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unplugged the scorpion and tired just the sata cable bit.. it never came on (should it?)
all im supposed to do is switch the power on the drop-of right? not switch xbox on like normal?
and the black cable on the motherboard to the left of the cable that goes into the "to supply" bit of the power drop is not supposed to be plugged in right? (norm plugs into back of drive)
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ashnewto
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16. August 2011 @ 17:22 |
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i got it from a website Teensy.co.uk on of official sellers
when you say vgc and contact ed? im new to this.. i looked on the lizard website and the only contact us was about reselling?
if anyone knows the answer to my question.. I've watched guides on you-tube as well but they just say.. turn power on.. how? the power button on xbox or that little power drop thing or both or something else? they just assume people know these things but i don't wanna try in-case it messes it up
All i have been doing is power on the plug socket (so amber light lights on power-pack) then turning the power drop to on..that's it right?
when i do that and press (and hold) the eject button nothing happens so i think its a power issue rather then the little clips issue
thansk in advance... im going cuckoo here
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16. August 2011 @ 17:43 |
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Originally posted by ashnewto:
making really good progress setting it up, but it wont switch on, I'm at the stage testing if power is going to the scorpion.. and its not? the only thing i need to do it turn the power on the power drop? not on the console right?
Hook up all of the cables as I mentioned above. Don't worry about the black cable on the 360's motherboard, because that's the SATA connection for the DVD drive. Obviously, you've got the Lizard connected to the SATA port on the DVD drive instead of that while you're flashing it, so that's fine.
When you power everything on, you should have the switch on that drop cable set to on, then boot up the 360 as normal using your controller to turn it on. Then, you should see the red light glowing on the probe. If you don't have the switch on that cable set to on, then there's no power going to the drive, which means no power going to the chip that the probe is attached to, which means it's not going to work.
At certain stages the Lizard will tell you to power the DVD drive off then back on again, so all you do is flick the switch on that cable off, then back on, then you continue on to the next stage. Every step comes up on the Lizard's screen, so if you follow that and take your time, you'll be fine.
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ashnewto
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16. August 2011 @ 18:43 |
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done it, i turned the console on! ha ha.. believe it or not i thought this was the issue to do with power but couldn't find anywhere that said turn on console.
great product! im sure after the first time this will be a doddle!
thanks everyone for your help.. especially funsoulb, you,ve been my mentor! ha ha
respect where respect is due! so thanks
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16. August 2011 @ 18:48 |
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Haha, no worries man! Glad you got it sorted in the end.
As long as you have a backup of your original firmware (or the key at the very least), in future you can just hook the Lizard up to the drive, erase the firmware, then write the new custom firmware with your key in it. No more messing about with that probe and powering the drive on and off a bunch of times.
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