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Playing from hdd, non-jtagged, benq
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NteStlKr
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26. November 2010 @ 00:46 |
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My main goal in backing up my games is to save my dvd drive (BenQ) and use my hdd instead. I've done a lot of research and haven't been able to find info that answers the following:
1. On a non-jtagged (since it cannot be) Falcon (if that matters) with a BenQ, can I play backed up games from the hdd? Yes, with the DVD in the drive.
2. If yes, is there a way to do it without having to find the relevant dvd and put it in the drive? No.
3. If no, can the dvd in the drive be a backup? (I'm pretty confident that's a yes). Yes. Can I use the backup DVD to copy the game to my hard drive just like the original? (even if I have to have it in the drive to play) Yes.
4. I want to add a 250gb (maybe 500) hard drive to replace my 20gb (since I'll be saving the games to the hdd). Are those tuts I see around for jtagged 360's only, or can non-jtagged use those WD drives once the formatting and firmware flashes are applied to the drive itself? Both jtagged and non-jtagged 360's can use those certain WD drives once formatted and flashed, though the jtagged 360's can use a far wider variety of hard drives. I tested with a 250 gb wd.
I have tested all of the above on a non-jtagged box to confirm. Thanks to all for their input.
Thanks
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dennisv9
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26. November 2010 @ 09:48 |
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Originally posted by NteStlKr:
My main goal in backing up my games is to save my dvd drive (BenQ) and use my hdd instead. I've done a lot of research and haven't been able to find info that answers the following:
1. On a non-jtagged (since it cannot be) Falcon (if that matters) with a BenQ, can I play backed up games from the hdd?
2. If yes, is there a way to do it without having to find the relevant dvd and put it in the drive?
3. If no, can the dvd in the drive be a backup? (I'm pretty confident that's a yes). Can I use the backup DVD to copy the game to my hard drive just like the original? (even if I have to have it in the drive to play)
4. I want to add a 250gb (maybe 500) hard drive to replace my 20gb (since I'll be saving the games to the hdd). Are those tuts I see around for jtagged 360's only, or can non-jtagged use those WD drives once the formatting and firmware flashes are applied to the drive itself?
Thanks
1) ==> yes you can; but 2) you need the disc in the dvd drive (some games check randomly if the disc is still in the drive, f.i. transformers 2. not sure what it checks, but the disc spins up sometimes)
3) if you have a flashed drive, you can play copies and also copy the game from the burned disc to your hdd. copying gamedata to the hdd and playing from the hdd is a part of the nxe dashboard functionality, is not related to the disc. not all games can be copied to the hdd. but; to play the gamedata you copied to the hdd, you need the gamedisc in the dvd (either original or copy). otherwise the game will not load
4) jtag is easy, pop any drive in. for non-jtag drives you need one of the compatible hdd's (WD) and the size is limited to 250 gig (hddhacker tool is perhaps still the way to go; 250 gig was the largest possible hdd on a non-jtag console a year ago).
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NteStlKr
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28. November 2010 @ 16:13 |
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250 gigs should be enough I guess... that's at least ~30 games I could play from hdd, which is more than I have that support it-- and many of those only take up ~50% of full dvd9 anyway. With the info you helped with, I went ahead and invested the time into it and you're right on all counts. Thanks!
I ran into some other issues along the way, though.
One that is annoying is playback of one burned backup (border lands. The backup takes a while to load, and when I choose play game, it starts loading, then a few seconds later, says the disc is unreadable (tells me to clean it, etc.). The disc is not dirty. The original plays fine, and loads fast.
So far, I've done a little troubleshooting, but with mixed results. 1. I saved the game to the hard drive (with original). Then I put in the backup, and it played without issue. However, when I reset the console, it wouldn't work. Now, when I try to play with the backed up game, it will only work after I put in the original, then exit out (to dashboard), then eject, and put in the backup. It still takes several seconds to load (a few times longer than original) but it doesn't error out with dirty disc. It will continue to work like this until the console is reset, and then I have to load the original and whatnot over again.
I thought the disc might be a bad burn, so I checked the disc itself with agbx360 and it came back all clear (including all crc checks, even whole disc... which took a while) so it is a good burn. I thought, well then, it must be the drive. But it plays originals fine. It plays backups fine as well (from disc and hard drive)... but it takes longer to load initially. So.... good burn, good drive, and only works after original had been used during same session? What gives?
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NteStlKr
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28. November 2010 @ 21:56 |
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well, after further testing, it isn't necessary to have the original disc in first. I have to physically eject the disc for it to actually retry (ie, just hitting play game does the same thing over and over). It works about half the time.
any ideas?
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29. November 2010 @ 07:09 |
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Originally posted by NteStlKr:
well, after further testing, it isn't necessary to have the original disc in first. I have to physically eject the disc for it to actually retry (ie, just hitting play game does the same thing over and over). It works about half the time.
any ideas?
you need better dvd's, im guessing, and please let me know if im right. your not useing verbatims, you prob have memorex or sony, if so that is the problam.
seems as some drives dont like anything but verbs. you can also play around with the burn speed when makeing your games, slower or faster is not always the best, try to find settings best for you and your drive.
I have lost all and any respect i had for this site!
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Thosmos
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30. November 2010 @ 02:59 |
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Originally posted by NteStlKr:
well, after further testing, it isn't necessary to have the original disc in first. I have to physically eject the disc for it to actually retry (ie, just hitting play game does the same thing over and over). It works about half the time.
any ideas?
Sounds to me like a worn laser. I had something like this. Originals would play, but backups not so good. Search google for "XBOX 360 POT CALIBRATION V1.0 by Moda". You'll need a volt ohm meter. Of course, you could replace the laser, get a new drive, etc... But this is free, and will verify if that is the issue without spending any $$.
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nicke20
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30. November 2010 @ 15:13 |
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not an expert on jtag, but my 360 has a 360gig hd in its caddy (oh and a 500gig external on the usb) so i dont think the limit is 250. oh and there are some great tutorials on upgrading your hd using cheap laptop drives
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NteStlKr
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1. December 2010 @ 12:30 |
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I didn't put my disc brand on purpose to see what people would say. The disc in question is a memorex, and my verbatims are on the way (I was impatient, so I burned a few first lol). I'll be sure to update if the verbatims make the problem disappear. The drive is a couple years old, so I'll check up on that calibration stuff as well. Thanks
regarding the hard drives, can drives over 250 gb be used in a non-jtagged 360? Or are they just for the ones with the jtag mod? And hdd on usb? I've tried connecting one, but it never worked. Is that only for jtagged boxes as well?
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nicke20
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1. December 2010 @ 12:59 |
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Originally posted by NteStlKr:
I didn't put my disc brand on purpose to see what people would say. The disc in question is a memorex, and my verbatims are on the way (I was impatient, so I burned a few first lol). I'll be sure to update if the verbatims make the problem disappear. The drive is a couple years old, so I'll check up on that calibration stuff as well. Thanks
regarding the hard drives, can drives over 250 gb be used in a non-jtagged 360? Or are they just for the ones with the jtag mod? And hdd on usb? I've tried connecting one, but it never worked. Is that only for jtagged boxes as well?
sorry yes mine is jtagged, and yes verbs make a huge difference, and burn with imgburn
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NteStlKr
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28. December 2010 @ 14:34 |
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update: the memorex was a 5-pack, and only one had the issue of not reading sometimes. the other 4 worked fine. I got those special verbatims (2.4x and whatnot) and they work fine so far, with only one bad burn (out of 5 so far, out of a 30 pack).
I have updated the original post to reflect how everything went.
thanks for the help!
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28. December 2010 @ 18:13 |
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regarding the hard drives, can drives over 250 gb be used in a non-jtagged 360? Or are they just for the ones with the jtag mod? And hdd on usb? I've tried connecting one, but it never worked. Is that only for jtagged boxes as well?
im pretty certain that the hdd drives used can be 20g 60g 120g and 250g as they all have a different security signatures if say a 250g is used with a 120g signature then only 120g will be displaayed.also if your going to sign up your own hdd then it must be a certain hdd i previously used a wd1200bevs for a 120g
you can also use up to 2 extra 16g usb devices but they have to be formatted once in the console and the dash must be up to date to do this.
please somone correct if im wrong?
above is for none jatagged consoles
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