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What DL burner I should get?
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rgarrido
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28. October 2009 @ 16:44 |
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I was going to get Sony Optiarc 20X DVD±RW Burner Dual Layer SATA AD-7200S, but for some reason the guy that was selling it for $35 new is not selling it and is selling another model. I have a windows vista 64bit but I put windows XP too so ill use XP for flashing. So anyways what DL burner I should get that will work on both windows, 64 bit and 32bit.
Ty guys!
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28. October 2009 @ 17:13 |
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Originally posted by rgarrido:
I was going to get Sony Optiarc 20X DVD±RW Burner Dual Layer SATA AD-7200S, but for some reason the guy that was selling it for $35 new is not selling it and is selling another model. I have a windows vista 64bit but I put windows XP too so ill use XP for flashing. So anyways what DL burner I should get that will work on both windows, 64 bit and 32bit.
Ty guys!
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28. October 2009 @ 17:35 |
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I need SATA, someone is selling bc needed SATA, sorry i left that part out
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28. October 2009 @ 17:50 |
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Ill just get
NEW Sony Optiarc AD-7240S-0B 24X SATA DVD Writer Drive unless someone know anything better.
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28. October 2009 @ 18:01 |
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as long as the burner support 2,4x for DVD+DL it can do the job ..
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28. October 2009 @ 18:06 |
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Originally posted by dred05:
as long as the burner support 2,4x for DVD+DL it can do the job ..
LOL. You never give up do you? Keep spreading those myths........
Originally posted by rgarrido:
Ill just get
NEW Sony Optiarc AD-7240S-0B 24X SATA DVD Writer Drive unless someone know anything better.
I've got one of those as well as the 7200S. The burn quality with dual layer media isn't quite as good as it is with the older 7200S, but it is still well within acceptable levels and fine for burning 360 games. Mind you, with 8X Verbatim discs it doesn't support burning at 2.4X, which dred05 seems to think is some kind of major problem (even though it's just a myth)! LOL. A lot of modern burners won't support 2.4X burning on those discs, but it's absolutely nothing to be concerned about. Perhaps you should buy a burner from the 1980s and burn at 1X. What do you think, dred05? lol.......
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28. October 2009 @ 18:11 |
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dred05, here's a post from the creator of ImgBurn that might interest you. Someone asks on the ImgBurn forums why they're having problems burning dual layer discs at 2.4X. What does the creator of ImgBurn say in response?.........
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2.4x might not be the best speed for that drive/firmware/media combo, try all of the other 'supported' write speeds.
http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?showtopic=12181
But of course, you know more than the guy that wrote the actual software you use to burn discs! Isn't that right? lol. Stop spreading myths.......
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rgarrido
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28. October 2009 @ 18:19 |
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Ok ty. so if I want to burn slow I need to get a dvd disc that supports low burns?
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You never give up do you? Keep spreading those myths.
what a nerve to speak to me, after lying about the IMG burn log, stating that you can't burn a DVD+DL disk at 2,4x ..
http://www.cdrlabs.com/Reviews/sony-opti...m/Features.html
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http://www.cdrlabs.com/Reviews/sony-nec-.../All-Pages.html
both burners clearly capable of burning a DVD+DL disk at 2,4x you own and subject to your log of IMG burn, now away with you ..
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Some further proof for you that 2.4X is not always supported. This is taken from an Imgburn log posted on here: -
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I 11:02:16 Write Speed: 2.4x
I 11:02:16 Link Size: Auto
I 11:02:16 Lock Volume: Yes
I 11:02:16 Test Mode: No
I 11:02:16 OPC: No
I 11:02:16 BURN-Proof: Enabled
W 11:02:16 Write Speed Miscompare! - Wanted: 3,324 KB/s (2.4x), Got: 5,540 KB/s (4x)
I 11:02:16 Optimal L0 Data Zone Capacity: 1,913,760
I 11:02:16 Optimal L0 Data Zone Method: Copied From Original Disc
I 11:03:20 Set L0 Data Zone Capacity Succeeded!
I 11:03:20 Filling Buffer... (40 MB)
I 11:03:20 Writing LeadIn...
I 11:03:22 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 3827487)
I 11:03:22 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 3827487)
I 11:03:22 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 1913759)
I 11:15:10 Writing Layer 1... (LBA: 1913760 - 3827487)
I 11:26:59 Synchronising Cache...
I 11:27:13 Closing Track...
I 11:27:17 Finalising Disc...
I 11:27:56 Exporting Graph Data...
I 11:27:56 Graph Data File: C:\Users\VeryEvilAsh\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\PLDS_DVD+-RW_DH-16A6S_YD11_MONDAY-OCTOBER-26-2009_11-02_AM_RITEK-S04-66_2.4x.ibg
I 11:27:56 Export Successfully Completed!
I 11:27:56 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:25:40
I 11:27:56 Average Write Rate: 5,406 KB/s (3.9x) - Maximum Write Rate: 5,572 KB/s (4.0x)
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28. October 2009 @ 18:34 |
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I got it on ebay
Item title: NEW Sony Optiarc AD-7240S-0B 24X SATA DVD Writer Drive
Your total: $31.99
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28. October 2009 @ 19:00 |
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Originally posted by dred05:
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You never give up do you? Keep spreading those myths.
what a nerve to speak to me, after lying about the IMG burn log, stating that you can't burn a DVD+DL disk at 2,4x ..
http://www.cdrlabs.com/Reviews/sony-opti...m/Features.html
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http://www.cdrlabs.com/Reviews/sony-nec-.../All-Pages.html
both burners clearly capable of burning a DVD+DL disk at 2,4x you own and subject to your log of IMG burn, now away with you ..
You're just showing your ignorance again. All you have done is post reviews that show what write speeds those burners support generally. If I put a 2.4X rated Verbatim disc in my drive, then I can burn it at 2.4X obviously. It is a supported speed FOR THAT PARTICULAR MEDIA and that's why it's on the lists that you linked to. It does NOT mean that every type of dual layer disc can be burned at 2.4X.
8X rated Verbatims cannot be burned at 2.4X on my AD-7200S or AD-7240S. I posted a picture of ImgBurn showing the supported write speeds on the AD-7200S - 4X, 6X and 8X. I can do the same with the AD-7240S if you like. I posted a section of an ImgBurn log showing what happens when you choose 2.4X and that speed is not supported (ImgBurn will just choose the closest available supported speed, i.e. 4X) and I posted a thread where the creator of ImgBurn made a post that backs up what I've been saying all along, but you keep on coming back because you simply don't understand this topic and you think you've caught me out, but you've only made yourself look like a fool through your lack of understanding.
A screenshot from VSO Inspector, showing the supported write speeds of Verbatim 8X dual layer disc on an Optiarc AD-7200S: -
And the same for the AD-7240S: -
What do both say? 4X, 6X and 8X. Is 2.4X on the list? NO. NEITHER OF THESE DRIVES WILL WRITE THESE DISCS AT 2.4X. IT IS NOT A SUPPORTED SPEED WITH THIS MEDIA.
To prove to you that the supported write speeds vary depending on the disc, here's a VSO Inspector screenshot with an older Verbatim 2.4X rated disc in the drive: -
Notice that it supports 2.4X and 4X, but nothing else? That's because it's based on an older dye, MKM-001 instead of MKM-003 that the newer discs use. 8X rated discs CAN NOT be burned at 2.4X on either of these drives. It seems I have to say it 100 times or more, even though I've already provided countless pieces of evidence to back up what I'm saying and I actually own both drives, but you don't! LOL.
So there you go. Both drives support 2.4X writing to dual layer media, but not ALL dual layer media and NOT with the latest 8X rated MKM-003 Verbatim discs. STFU NOW! If you go off Googling trying to find evidence that proves me wrong, at least make sure you understand it before you post and make an idiot of yourself.
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8X rated Verbatims cannot be burned at 2.4X on my AD-7200S or AD-7240S.
Wrong and unacceptable look at this link:
http://www.verbatim.com/newstouse/DVD_8x_Burn.asp
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I posted a section of an ImgBurn log showing what happens when you choose 2.4X and that speed is not supported (ImgBurn will just choose the closest available supported speed, i.e. 4X)
Yes, the log is real authentic and not altered, right ?
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I'm saying and I actually own both drives, but you don't! LOL.
hmmm, can't see any humor on this.
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Both drives support 2.4X writing to dual layer media, but not ALL dual layer media and NOT with the latest 8X rated MKM-003 Verbatim discs
again wrong and is a serious distortion and clearly a disgrace on this board of Afterdawn.
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STFU NOW! If you go off Googling trying to find evidence that proves me wrong, at least make sure you understand it before you post and make an idiot of yourself.
I've already made an effort to prove your wrong, so no need for lookin' at more evidence ..
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Trying to get media to burn slower than what that media is rated for isn't possible on any of my computers the software automatically goes to the next supported speed,as for burning slow i've seen no difference from 2.4x to 8x,tho where ever poss i do like to stick at 4x
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Originally posted by scorpNZ:
Trying to get media to burn slower than what that media is rated for isn't possible on any of my computers the software automatically goes to the next supported speed,as for burning slow i've seen no difference from 2.4x to 8x,tho where ever poss i do like to stick at 4x
Exactly, except dred05 seems to think I would go to the lengths of fabricating evidence to prove this point. He seems to think I'm making up what ImgBurn does when you try and burn a disc at 2.4X when that write speed isn't supported.
Originally posted by dred05:
Wrong and unacceptable look at this link:
http://www.verbatim.com/newstouse/DVD_8x_Burn.asp
NOWHERE on that page does it say that MKM-003 discs support a burning speed of 2.4X on all burners. What it does say is that you can save loads of time by burning at 8X and it's direct from Verbatim. Funny how they aren't saying "these discs are 8X, but always burn them at 2.4X!!!!" don't you think? Honestly, you're just making yourself look stupider and stupider every time you post.
Here's some proof that I didn't adjust that ImgBurn log (why the hell would I? It's you that's consistently wrong, not me): -
http://forums.afterdawn.com/t.cfm/f-152/...backups-799879/
Check out the post by jmoore197 (the second log posted in the thread). What do you see?.....
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W 10:34:26 Write Speed Miscompare! - Wanted: 3,324 KB/s (2.4x), Got: 5,540 KB/s (4x)
He must have altered his log too! LOL.
Or what about the first post in this thread by AliveAsh: -
http://forums.afterdawn.com/t.cfm/f-152/imgburn_problem-809438/
What's that you can see in his log?.......
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He must be lying too!
Originally posted by dred05:
again wrong and is a serious distortion and clearly a disgrace on this board of Afterdawn.
I own both drives. I have posted a screen shot of ImgBurn showing the supported speeds on the AD-7200S. I have also posted screen shots of VSO Inspector showing the supported speeds on both the AD-7200S and the AD-7240S and 2.4X isn't supported. You must be mildly retarded or something, because you have no proof of anything you say, yet you will discount the numerous screen shots, ImgBurn logs and even a post by the creator of ImgBurn himself that shows you're wrong.
I'm just going to report your trolling from now on, because you are calling me a liar and spreading misinformation. You've done exactly the same to leerage, one of the most trusted and helpful members on the site.
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posted by ScorpNZ
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Trying to get media to burn slower than what that media is rated for isn't possible on any of my computers the software automatically goes to the next supported speed,as for burning slow i've seen no difference from 2.4x to 8x,tho where ever poss i do like to stick at 4x
can you post the brand of the burner and PC ..
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Exactly, except dred05 seems to think I would go to the lengths of fabricating evidence to prove this point.
No, thanks don't need for your futher lying ..
(Look at this)
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Or what about the first post in this thread by AliveAsh: -
http://forums.afterdawn.com/t.cfm/f-152/imgburn_problem-809438/
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What's that you can see in his log?.......
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I'm using TDK discs (Verbatim are on the way).
Since the subject of this topic goes primarily about Verbatim DVD+DL, I can not witness about TDK DVD+DL (never seen them ..).
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I'm just going to report your trolling from now on, because you are calling me a liar and spreading misinformation.
You do what is best for you, since you are not man enough to admit your own wrong. you can scream as a little child that you can, however I will not feel any remorse for you ..
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Shut up, troll. You've already been proven wrong several times. All you are is a stubborn idiot, and they're the worst kind.
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you see, funksoulb is showing his offensive nature by contradicting his statement and prove his own wrong ..
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Shut up, troll. You've already been proven wrong several times. All you are is a stubborn idiot, and they're the worst kind.
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Originally posted by dred05:
you see, funksoulb is showing his offensive nature by contradicting his statement and prove his own wrong ..
"prove his own wrong"? What on earth are you talking about now? I'm just fed up with you coming here, calling me a liar, constantly bumping threads and trying to win at the Internetz when you're wrong every time, and generally just being an annoying prick. You did the same to leerage. Trolls that spread misinformation don't help anyone. It would be better for everyone if you just stopped posting.
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posted by funksoulb
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"prove his own wrong"? What on earth are you talking about now?
the statement of you suggesting that MKM-003 Verbatim rated as 8x MIS could not be burned lower then 8x ---> False
Telling that the two burners you own:
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what a nerve to speak to me, after lying about the IMG burn log, stating that you can't burn a DVD+DL disk at 2,4x ..
http://www.cdrlabs.com/Reviews/sony-opti...m/Features.html
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http://www.cdrlabs.com/Reviews/sony-nec-.../All-Pages.html
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both burners clearly capable of burning a DVD+DL disk at 2,4x you own and subject to your log of IMG burn, now away with you ..
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Originally posted by dred05:
the statement of you suggesting that MKM-003 Verbatim rated as 8x MIS could not be burned lower then 8x ---> False
I've never once said that. I said that discs can only be burned at their supported speeds and in fact, I showed you the supported speeds for MKM-003 discs on both of my burners - 4X, 6X and 8X. 2.4X is NOT a supported speed with those discs on either of those drives. I've shown you the proof over and over again, even in this thread! There are screen shots that absolutely 100% show that those discs can't be burned at 2.4X. You don't own either drive, so why are you calling me a liar over and over again?
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both burners clearly capable of burning a DVD+DL disk at 2,4x you own and subject to your log of IMG burn, now away with you ..
I know they are, but not a Verbatim MKM-003. If you knew ANYTHING about burners (and you clearly know nothing), you'd know that the supported speeds depend on the drive, the drive's firmware and the media ID of the discs (i.e. the dye they're using). Both burners will burn MKM-001 discs at 2.4X because that's one of the supported speeds. They will NOT burn MKM-003 discs at 2.4X because that speed is NOT supported. I've made this perfectly clear over and over again and provided rock solid proof, but you're clearly either a bit on the slow side, or you're just being a troll and you're only posting to wind people up.
Originally posted by scorpNZ:
Trying to get media to burn slower than what that media is rated for isn't possible on any of my computers the software automatically goes to the next supported speed
What have you got to say about this dred05? scorpNZ posted saying exactly what I've been saying all along, so presumably he is also a liar along with me and the creator of ImgBurn. LOL. You're a joke. You are ruining threads on this forum with your stubborn and ignorant trolling.
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Originally posted by dred05:
posted by ScorpNZ
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Trying to get media to burn slower than what that media is rated for isn't possible on any of my computers the software automatically goes to the next supported speed,as for burning slow i've seen no difference from 2.4x to 8x,tho where ever poss i do like to stick at 4x
can you post the brand of the burner and PC ..
I have 8 drives in 4 comps from older single layer liteons to the latest dl lightscribe lite-ons all can burn from 1x thru to 8x,16,20x,make of pc's is irrellivant,The dl verbs from singapore rated @2.4 max can be burned at 1x or 2.4 however other media like verb-rw can't burn above 4x other ones can but won't go below 4x,others have only two burn speed choices of 4 & 8,in the end the media is what dictates what speed you burn at,so one has to assume there is a data block on the media that tells the burner what speeds the media is capable of burning at even to the point of limiting to only two speeds,i've always believed burning slower is best however it was based on older drives & media
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posted by funksoulb
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I've never once said that. I said that discs can only be burned at their supported speeds and in fact, I showed you the supported speeds for MKM-003 discs on both of my burners - 4X, 6X and 8X. 2.4X is NOT a supported speed with those discs on either of those drives.
why is it then that on the website of Verbatim:
http://www.verbatim.com/newstouse/DVD_8x_Burn.asp
clearly states that even on 8x media 2,4x is supported ..
both website of the Sony Optiac arc of the courtesy of CDRLabs confirms the burn speed of 2,4x is a possibility ..
Sony NEC Optiarc AD-7200S
http://www.cdrlabs.com/Reviews/sony-nec-.../All-Pages.html
Sony Optiarc AD-7240S
http://www.cdrlabs.com/Reviews/sony-opti...m/Features.html
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I've shown you the proof over and over again, even in this thread! There are screen shots that absolutely 100% show that those discs can't be burned at 2.4X. You don't own either drive, so why are you calling me a liar over and over again?
I have taken notice of your screenshot (posted below) and it is proven nothing other then a possibility of adjusting the burnspeed ..
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What have you got to say about this dred05? scorpNZ posted saying exactly what I've been saying all along
actually I have asked a question to SkorpNZ and until then I can not follow you in the grey zone of any uncertainty in this matter ..
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The dl verbs from singapore rated @2.4 max can be burned at 1x or 2.4 however other media like verb-rw can't burn above 4x other ones can but won't go below 4x,others have only two burn speed choices of 4 & 8,in the end the media is what dictates what speed you burn at
you're absolutely right about the 'media dictates what speed you burn at', however I own two burners: LG GWA-4083B and Pioneer DVR-115D both of them had a possibility to burn DVD+DL at 2,4x (even the notorious MKM-003 rated at 8x).
check out this link:
http://www.cdrlabs.com/forums/cdrlabs-dv...009-t24820.html
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Let me spell this out for you one last time, dumbass.
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why is it then that on the website of Verbatim:
http://www.verbatim.com/newstouse/DVD_8x_Burn.asp
clearly states that even on 8x media 2,4x is supported ..
Where does it say that 8X MKM-003 discs can be burned at 8X on the Optiarc burners that I own? Show me the exact section of that page that says that. BTW, if you think that you always have to burn at 2.4X, why are you linking to a page that tells you you can save time by burning at 8X? A page that comes from Verbatim themselves! If you always have to burn at 2.4X, why would they release 8X discs and why are they advertising the benefits of burning at 8X? LOL, you just don't get it at all do you. Point 1 debunked.
The reviews you linked to only show that the drives can burn at 2.4X, but they're talking generally. They are not saying specifically "you can burn Verbatim 8X MKM-003 discs at 2.4X". You can't. I own both drives and I know that this is a fact. Even you have just said this: -
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you're absolutely right about the 'media dictates what speed you burn at'
This is what I've been saying all along, but it is not JUST the media that dictates the burn speed. The media ID of the media is read by the burner and burning software and the firmware of the burner has a list of supported speeds for that media. This will change depending on the firmware installed, the burner you're using and the type of discs you're using. Why are you even arguing when I own both drives and you don't? Stop trolling. Point 2 debunked.
As for my pic of ImgBurn showing the supported write speeds, clearly you're that clueless about this whole topic that you don't know what you're looking at. Here's the pic again, but with an arrow that should make it pretty clear where you should be looking: -
The drive can ONLY burn at the speeds listed where that arrow points. They are the ONLY supported speeds for MKM-003 discs on that drive with the latest firmware installed. Do you understand now? I do hope so. All points debunked.
Stop trolling.
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It's a drive/media combination. I've got multiple drive models, and they get different supported write speeds for identical media.
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