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NEW FAN FIX
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24. September 2010 @ 00:08 |
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Originally posted by micric100:
Hi Killerbug, I have the same PS3 model as you, the 40GB with the black power supply. In the older fan fix you said to use the grey wire, and in this one you said that the brown one is the PWC for most systems, was that a typo?? because everyone seems to be talking about this grey wire
Good catch! Yes, it is the gray wire...I made the correction.
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Cdo
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12. October 2010 @ 01:28 |
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Hi,
I have a ps3 40gb, with 3.3v / ground / 12v - using a multimeter,
I was wondering, the diagram has a R3 4.7k, while your parts list does not include it, do I have to put it there also?
and where do I input the 3.3v / ground / 12v from the ps3 to the fan?
what is PWM?
im confuse, pls help :(
also, using a resistor, is it ok if its solder either way, or do I have to connect the resistor in exact position?
Also base on your schematics, where do I put the POT wiring? it has 3 prongs
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12. October 2010 @ 03:07 |
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The picture at the top of the thread is someone else's design; the parts list is for my design which is slightly different and not as good I think. If you are building this better version, then use this resistor. I'll assume you are using this newer form for the rest of the questions.
In the diagram, there is a circle with a + and - symbol...ground is the wire going into the - side of the circle, 3.3v is the wire going to the +. 12v is not messed with; it goes strait from mainboard to fan and does not touch our circuit.
Resistors are can be mounted in either direction. So can ceramic caps...only ceramic caps are like this; most caps are directional.
Where it says, "100k@25c-Thermistor" is where you connect a 100k ohm pot...where that zig-zag line is. Pinouts vary by pot, you want to connect the two pins between which resistance changes when you turn the knob.
PWM is basically just like turning a switch off and on so fast that it seems to be neither on or off, but rather like a dimmer switch. If you really care to learn the details, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse-width_modulation
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Cdo
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12. October 2010 @ 03:13 |
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im almost finish making this diagram,
well, regarding the pwm output, I will attach this to which part of the fan?
3.3 or ground or 12v? im using a 100k pot.... so I have also 3 pins on my pot, so I can check either of 3 works?
im only lost at
where does that line go? and how do I attach the pot? which part of the pot should i use?
what else do I put in the pot as it has 3 pins
where will I get the 3.3v?
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Cdo
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12. October 2010 @ 04:45 |
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i tried connecting it and fan spins a for 1 sec and stops...
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Cdo
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12. October 2010 @ 04:57 |
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i use the 3.3v input from the motherboard (fan output) to the input of the 3.3 to the (whiteboard)
and check it in the multimeter, it reads 0.3 :(
and as soon as the unit starts, the fan stops spining... pls help
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12. October 2010 @ 06:02 |
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As the system comes, there are 3 wires going to the fan...a 12v, a ground, and the PWM signal wire. You don't touch the 12v or ground wires (if these are not connected, the system senses a fan fail and shuts itself off). You cut the other one...the end going to the mainboard just gets taped up; it connects to nothing. The power and 3.3v going to this circuit both come from the front of the power supply; the white wires.
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Cdo
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12. October 2010 @ 10:51 |
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great.. thanks... got it working :)
Thumbs up!
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hasan291
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20. October 2010 @ 14:05 |
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@KillerBug
How much could you sell one of your boards with a POT on it?
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20. October 2010 @ 23:17 |
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I could probably do it for about $10 +shipping for AD members.
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botn3t
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22. October 2010 @ 06:51 |
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many thanks to the op for this... I would like to clarify
where the thermistor is shown there is another 85K resistor value... are there two resistors in series?? and if replacing these with pot (linear type 100K) there is no other resistor in this path between pins 2 & 3 of the LM.
also went to local electronics store..didn't have ceramic caps so i got 100nF Green polyster caps (100V breakdown) ..this should be fine???
thanks.
botn3t
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SaSaiyan
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24. October 2010 @ 01:35 |
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Hey All
To Killerbug, GeToChKn and the others who have implemented this to their systems and helping those knobs (like me) out there with their ps3 fan mod, You guys are way TOO Fu$k*n Cool. And that other dick gamemods who is hell bent on selling this idea online thats already being suggested, discussed and showen by others, yeah man....youre like a mp3 player with no codec support, LAME.
Anyway love what you guys are doing if only I knew how / where to start I would implement this to help prevent YLOD on my baby. Thats right, She mah Pride n Joy.
Well I'll wait till you teCH fellas pdf this sucker in bimbo terms for simpiltons like me.
Cheers
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24. October 2010 @ 03:47 |
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I've been having a terrible time getting the photos & info I need to make a PDF...I only have two PS3 systems to play with, and there are 18 different models. When I get home, I'll post the pictures and cable pinouts of the two units I have, as well as a nice hi-res image of a CECHBxx (20GB) unit I found. Maybe from there we can list what units have what connectors, and what the pinouts are for each. I know that there are at least 3 different power connectors, possibly with different pinout orders. I also know that the fan in my slimline seems to work differently than the fan in my fatline...but I have not done much research on this yet.
Here is the list of 18:
CECHBxx - 20GB (BC Fatline)
CECHGxx - 40GB (Fatline)
CECHHxx - 40GB (Fatline)
CECHJxx - 40GB (Fatline)
CECHAxx - 60GB (BC Fatline)
CECHCxx - 60GB (BC Fatline)
CECHExx - 80GB (BC Fatline)
CECHKxx - 80GB (Fatline)
CECHLxx - 80GB (Fatline)
CECHMxx - 80GB (Fatline)
CECH-20xxA - 120GB (Slim)
CECH-21xxA - 120GB (Slim)
CECHPxx - 160GB (Fatline)
CECHQxx - 160GB (Fatline)
CECH-25xxA - 160GB (Slim)
CECH-20xxB - 250GB (Slim)
CECH-21xxB - 250GB (Slim)
CECH-25xxB - 320GB (Slim)
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26. October 2010 @ 03:58 |
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Here are a few pics to start the PDF with...I don't know the pinout of the CECHBXX power connector.
CECHHXX - Power Connector, Labeled
CECHHXX - Fan Signal Wire
CECH-20XXB - Power Connector, Labeled
CECH-20XXB Fan Wiring (Labeled)
CECHBXX Power Connector (not yet labeled)
Note: the "3.3V and "3.1V" signals are generated by the mainboard, not by the power supply. This is the signal that the board sends to the power supply to bring it out of standby mode. This signal seems to be powerful enough to run a PWM generator on the fat units, but my PWM generator did not work on the slimline. Because of this, I have designed a third version of the fan controller that only uses the 3.1v/3.3v line as a "turn on" signal. Initial testing showed that it provides a very wide range of speed control...I just need to do a little more testing to double-confirm that the fans are using capacitors on the control signal input lines...it seems that they are designed to accept PWM control, but they really just act on the average of the voltage.
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new design does not work; but not because of the PWM theory from the last paragraph. The design is not even worth salvaging, so I am skipping the V4 release. Back to the drawing board...version 5 will offer wider control range as well as an auto/manual selection switch (auto being thermistor controlled; not PS3 system board controlled).
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botn3t
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27. October 2010 @ 01:20 |
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done this to two of my 60Gb phats that had ylod prior. what i noticed is with the current 100K pot there is only a small portion of the pot turn at which the fan is ajustable...before it goes really slow.
Installed this under the HD cage and fits perfect even though i used polyster caps(which are bigger). adjusted the fans so the pitch of it isn't too high yet still moves SHIT load more air then before and is not noticeable ingame... no need for 19 fin or talismoon here baby... them stocker fans can move some serious air when cranked.
kudos to all that contributed; am very happy with this mod.
heres some pics
PS.. standard disclaimer...the above is for reference ONLY and i take no responsibility for your actions i.e. totally indemnified against all claims.
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Cdo
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27. October 2010 @ 01:29 |
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whats the new schematics for this?
i have 1 ps3 60gb, and when installing the lm555, it causes a ylod...
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botn3t
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27. October 2010 @ 01:56 |
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Originally posted by Cdo:
whats the new schematics for this?
i have 1 ps3 60gb, and when installing the lm555, it causes a ylod...
are you able to adjust the fan at all coz i used the circuit thats shown and found very little of the pot needs to be turned to get big change in FAN speed...(some may not like this but i can't be chuffed changing the pot now)... and circuit works fine for me. i have the fan at low freq pumping air and even after 2hrs of game time the unit is still "cool" around the vent areas. This has definitely made a MARKED difference in my two phat 60Gb's (aussie models). one of the units is hooked to my PC monitor so when I feel like a session is calling i just power up and am sitting less then 1m away from the PS3 and its got a pleasant hum not irritating like the delta fans of PC kind...
check double check circuit - it has worked for me.
as for YLOD did you use no clean flux during reflow?? also make sure the heatsink sits properly on the RSX & cell dies...may have to double check this...coz sometimes they don't mate properly...
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27. October 2010 @ 02:12 |
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I was going to wait to release this as part of version 5, but I'll just release it as version 4.1; it is a wide-range fan controller circuit; it should work with all models (even slim...although I did not test on a slim yet), and it does not have the "sweet spot" issue. "Slim" units use a slightly lower control voltage to set the fan to full speed (fats use 3.3V, slims user 3.1V). "Slim" units also have 5.5V supply lines while the "fat" units have 5.0V supply lines. Because of this, this design will only deliver about 85% of full speed operation on a "fat" system...but that is more than enough anyway.
I honestly don't know what kind of rectifier diode I used; I pulled it from an old power supply and it had no labeling except the directional mark. Seems like just about any rectifier diode will work...but I'll see if I can get a digikey part number for it. The 1M resistor can be anything over 300K. The potentiometer used is a 100K unit. The values of the other two resistors and the cap should be within 5% of what is marked on the diagram.
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Cdo
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27. October 2010 @ 03:13 |
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Originally posted by botn3t:
Originally posted by Cdo:
whats the new schematics for this?
i have 1 ps3 60gb, and when installing the lm555, it causes a ylod...
are you able to adjust the fan at all coz i used the circuit thats shown and found very little of the pot needs to be turned to get big change in FAN speed...(some may not like this but i can't be chuffed changing the pot now)... and circuit works fine for me. i have the fan at low freq pumping air and even after 2hrs of game time the unit is still "cool" around the vent areas. This has definitely made a MARKED difference in my two phat 60Gb's (aussie models). one of the units is hooked to my PC monitor so when I feel like a session is calling i just power up and am sitting less then 1m away from the PS3 and its got a pleasant hum not irritating like the delta fans of PC kind...
check double check circuit - it has worked for me.
as for YLOD did you use no clean flux during reflow?? also make sure the heatsink sits properly on the RSX & cell dies...may have to double check this...coz sometimes they don't mate properly...
YLOD only when I put the FAN MOD, I have a fully working ps3...
i tried the fan mod on my 80gb and works fine.
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27. October 2010 @ 03:22 |
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Originally posted by Cdo:
Originally posted by botn3t:
Originally posted by Cdo:
whats the new schematics for this?
i have 1 ps3 60gb, and when installing the lm555, it causes a ylod...
are you able to adjust the fan at all coz i used the circuit thats shown and found very little of the pot needs to be turned to get big change in FAN speed...(some may not like this but i can't be chuffed changing the pot now)... and circuit works fine for me. i have the fan at low freq pumping air and even after 2hrs of game time the unit is still "cool" around the vent areas. This has definitely made a MARKED difference in my two phat 60Gb's (aussie models). one of the units is hooked to my PC monitor so when I feel like a session is calling i just power up and am sitting less then 1m away from the PS3 and its got a pleasant hum not irritating like the delta fans of PC kind...
check double check circuit - it has worked for me.
as for YLOD did you use no clean flux during reflow?? also make sure the heatsink sits properly on the RSX & cell dies...may have to double check this...coz sometimes they don't mate properly...
YLOD only when I put the FAN MOD, I have a fully working ps3...
i tried the fan mod on my 80gb and works fine.
Sounds like the issue I had when I tried the 2nd and 3rd version on my slimline...I would say to try the new version because it is designed to get around this problem; but I have not yet tested it with my slim.
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HR31GTS
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23. December 2010 @ 02:18 |
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I must say, THANK YOU VERY F---ING MUCH KIllerbug and GeToChKn! You to are PS3 heros!
Just done this to a 60g Launch PS3 which I have saved from ebay! I've now had it running for 3 days with a mixture of Gran Turismo 5, Fallout new vegas, Resistance 2 and MGS4. No issues thus far.
All I did was flood my PS3 board with flux, smash a bit of heat on her, slap it back together and do the Fan mod, modified by GeToChKn.
EBAY PS3 60g YLOD - $150AUD
PS3 fan mod $10AUD
3 odd hours of scratching up parts and assembling
WIN!
Thanks again
Rob
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14. January 2011 @ 05:57 |
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YLOD PS3 from ebay...$100
Solder flux...$10
Fan Mod...$20
Playing the latest games on a system pulled from the garbage...priceless.
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21. January 2011 @ 19:16 |
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Originally posted by HR31GTS:
I must say, THANK YOU VERY F---ING MUCH KIllerbug and GeToChKn! You to are PS3 heros!
Just done this to a 60g Launch PS3 which I have saved from ebay! I've now had it running for 3 days with a mixture of Gran Turismo 5, Fallout new vegas, Resistance 2 and MGS4. No issues thus far.
All I did was flood my PS3 board with flux, smash a bit of heat on her, slap it back together and do the Fan mod, modified by GeToChKn.
EBAY PS3 60g YLOD - $150AUD
PS3 fan mod $10AUD
3 odd hours of scratching up parts and assembling
WIN!
Thanks again
Rob
My YLOD PS3 - done the same - flux'd then heat gun. Run for 1 hour without the case on. Seemed to run fine. Then got pixelation (tell tale sign with this launch 60gb model) and it ran really hot. Want to try a fan mod - most pics have been removed now so I can't do this. Tried another ps3 forum - all we get told is to search forums as the fourms are saturated with fan mods. Well, I can't find them... Does anyone out there make these I can just splice into my fan? Or where I can get the parts from?
(Yep, a girl into console repairs)
Sarah
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