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Sony Readying Bans For Jailbreakers?
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11. January 2011 @ 10:27 |
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11. January 2011 @ 13:01 |
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11. January 2011 @ 14:39 |
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Originally posted by 3MUK:
Originally posted by Bawango:
http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2011/01/11/sony-readying-bans-for-jailbreakers/
Another interesting read:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-in-theory-psn-jailbreaking
Sony will not ban , this is just are rumor , if they do people will stop buying games (piracy will increase) , Sony will just roll out a series of network updates.
I'm personally not willing to take that chance.I can barely afford games as it is let alone another PS3. Rumor or not it's something that someone thinking of "jailbreaking" their PS3 to keep in mind.
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11. January 2011 @ 14:46 |
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You guys need to realize that hackers won't let this happen.... Sony took away OtherOS and it pissed everyone off.... if they try to do shit to our systems, other than the fact that its illegal, hackers won't like it very much
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11. January 2011 @ 15:15 |
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Originally posted by RickJames:
You guys need to realize that hackers won't let this happen.... Sony took away OtherOS and it pissed everyone off.... if they try to do shit to our systems, other than the fact that its illegal, hackers won't like it very much
The "we hacked your PS3 cause Sony removed other OS" is utter BS. Hackers or modders have been trying to hack the PS3 since even before Sony decided to remove other OS. PLEASE!My brother has been dabbling with Lunix on the PS3 and he mentioned to me that it was it was only a matter of time that through linux that hackers were getting close to accessing the the RSX chip.
After all this jailbreaking crap is the unfortunate casualty will be the honest users.
Lets just for arguments sake say hacking was not really the reason why sony removed other OS other than they are a dick of a company and they just wanted to do it to piss everyone off. They were still able to use a BS excuse like hackers to take away a feature from the PS3. now with all these new hacks coming out of the wood work, whats next? New hard ware with no USB ports?XBox 360 type HDD?No more thing as region free gaming?This whole thing is just going to become a bigger mess as it progresses.Why are people so sure that "Sony won't ban cause they will further piss off the big bad hackers?" MS did it so why not Sony?
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11. January 2011 @ 15:39 |
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Originally posted by Bawango:
Originally posted by RickJames:
You guys need to realize that hackers won't let this happen.... Sony took away OtherOS and it pissed everyone off.... if they try to do shit to our systems, other than the fact that its illegal, hackers won't like it very much
The "we hacked your PS3 cause Sony removed other OS" is utter BS. Hackers or modders have been trying to hack the PS3 since even before Sony decided to remove other OS. PLEASE!My brother has been dabbling with Lunix on the PS3 and he mentioned to me that it was it was only a matter of time that through linux that hackers were getting close to accessing the the RSX chip.
After all this jailbreaking crap is the unfortunate casualty will be the honest users.
Lets just for arguments sake say hacking was not really the reason why sony removed other OS other than they are a dick of a company and they just wanted to do it to piss everyone off. They were still able to use a BS excuse like hackers to take away a feature from the PS3. now with all these new hacks coming out of the wood work, whats next? New hard ware with no USB ports?XBox 360 type HDD?No more thing as region free gaming?This whole thing is just going to become a bigger mess as it progresses.Why are people so sure that "Sony won't ban cause they will further piss off the big bad hackers?" MS did it so why not Sony?
Agreed. I also think that Sony would ban users just as Microsoft does. If you really look at it the ban waves really doesn't hurt Microsoft if you ask me because when the ban wave hit their users what happens a few days after this? A rise in 360 sales...users buying new consoles to get live back. So why wouldn't Sony take a similar route?
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11. January 2011 @ 15:46 |
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Originally posted by biglo30:
So why wouldn't Sony take a similar route?
Because Sony makes a loss on the console.
They may ban, they may not. Ultimately, if someone plays back-up's they need be prepared for a ban. Its all good though, there will prolly be solutions like xlink-kai etc available. :D
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11. January 2011 @ 15:52 |
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Originally posted by Bawango:
My brother has been dabbling with Lunix on the PS3 and he mentioned to me that it was it was only a matter of time that through linux that hackers were getting close to accessing the the RSX chip.
Perhaps he forgot to mention to you, that it had already been accessed about two years ago via Linux and Sony blocked that with a Firmware update :)
Originally posted by miketrev:
Because Sony makes a loss on the console.
No they don't, they have been making a profit on each console for 6+ months now :)
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11. January 2011 @ 16:05 |
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Originally posted by miketrev:
Originally posted by biglo30:
So why wouldn't Sony take a similar route?
Because Sony makes a loss on the console.
They may ban, they may not. Ultimately, if someone plays back-up's they need be prepared for a ban. Its all good though, there will prolly be solutions like xlink-kai etc available. :D
I actually read some where that Sony is finally making money off the PS3. I mean its probably not the same money MS and Nintendo is making off their consoles but they are making money.
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11. January 2011 @ 16:06 |
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sorry. Dbl post
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11. January 2011 @ 16:45 |
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Yes sony started to make profits from when the released the slim, they were selling the ps3 phat consoles at a loss; though i doubt that regarding the EU consoles due to having the memory card, emotion chip removed.
But yeah they were able to make profits on the slim thanks to the recession, they were able to source parts, esp the blue diode require fore the laser, at cheaper prices.
As for bans, I too think its only a matter of time before they start blocking consoles.
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11. January 2011 @ 19:26 |
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Originally posted by RickJames:
You guys need to realize that hackers won't let this happen.... Sony took away OtherOS and it pissed everyone off.... if they try to do shit to our systems, other than the fact that its illegal, hackers won't like it very much
There's nothing illegal about it. There are well within their legal rights to drop the banhammer on users with jailbroken consoles.
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12. January 2011 @ 00:00 |
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Originally posted by Bawango:
Originally posted by RickJames:
You guys need to realize that hackers won't let this happen.... Sony took away OtherOS and it pissed everyone off.... if they try to do shit to our systems, other than the fact that its illegal, hackers won't like it very much
The "we hacked your PS3 cause Sony removed other OS" is utter BS. Hackers or modders have been trying to hack the PS3 since even before Sony decided to remove other OS. PLEASE!My brother has been dabbling with Lunix on the PS3 and he mentioned to me that it was it was only a matter of time that through linux that hackers were getting close to accessing the the RSX chip.
After all this jailbreaking crap is the unfortunate casualty will be the honest users.
Lets just for arguments sake say hacking was not really the reason why sony removed other OS other than they are a dick of a company and they just wanted to do it to piss everyone off. They were still able to use a BS excuse like hackers to take away a feature from the PS3. now with all these new hacks coming out of the wood work, whats next? New hard ware with no USB ports?XBox 360 type HDD?No more thing as region free gaming?This whole thing is just going to become a bigger mess as it progresses.Why are people so sure that "Sony won't ban cause they will further piss off the big bad hackers?" MS did it so why not Sony?
Totally agree.
About banning, sony have pushed this anti-piracy/dont mess with my console thing so far and got away with it, to ban consoles from PSN that is also a free service, is the easiest thing.
As for how (imo) they will do it at the usual sony way...head news in all media, up to the point that even our pets knows that sony is banning consoles.
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12. January 2011 @ 06:08 |
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You can tell Sony is making a profit off of consoles...the new firmwares slow down the fans. They wouldn't be doing that if they were not trying to kill off the older units...and they wouldn't be killing those units unless they figured that part of their customer base will buy another PS3. Yeah, it is bad for the people who make the games, but Sony cares about them almost as much as they care about their customers.
There is a little issue with banning accounts...PSN accounts are free. Get banned? Ten minutes later and you are back online with another account. Sure, they could also ban PS+ accounts, but then no one would buy them. They will probably just ban the system itself...as they have already been known to do in more extreme cases. Yeah, it means a lot of lost sales to the game makers, but Sony does not care...the only sales they care about are the new consoles that they will get to sell.
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12. January 2011 @ 07:39 |
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Sony's profit doesn't come from their system sales... it comes from games, accessories, and other crap.
They probably sell the systems at a loss still (totally unsure of this, i think back with the fats when they were first released, they were losing 400 at least on each... i think)
but you probably know that. I don't know how much it costs them approx. to make the slims.
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12. January 2011 @ 12:00 |
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Originally posted by RickJames:
Sony's profit doesn't come from their system sales
Of course it does, as i stated previously, Sony has been profiting on the PS3 Console for about 6 months or more, its not a made up fairy tale, its fact.
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12. January 2011 @ 12:29 |
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All this drm (for media and hardware, via signing) is utter BS. It is simply totalitarian control, and they have spent millions trying to 1. say it is actually a good thing (which is obviously bullshit) and 2. blaming it on "hackers" that they have to do it in the first place. This is a textbook example the simplest of scapegoat tactics. Communist regimes and dictators/monarchies have used it successfully for centuries-- from ancient chinese dynasties, to the Nazi's.
Corporations, most of which are the commercial equivalent of oligarchies or dictatorships, have been using strategies based off of that more and more to kill competition, force loyalty, and to have obsessive control over their consumers' money and minds in exactly the same way. A great example is wal-mart's use of the scheme to kill employee unions. Wal-mart is famous for underpaying their workers, and that isn't by coincidence-- they are experts at manipulation. I'm constantly amazed at how our education system has failed us to the extent that people with a basic (HS) education can still be manipulated so easily into agreeing with the poorest choice of actions with so little manipulation effort.
But yeah, Sony is a great example of another company doing these same things. They try to make people feel guilty for exercising their most basic rights. How would you feel if you added a turbo in your mustang, and Ford came in the night and killed your car, or made it permanently unworthy for the road?
The point is, we must stand up for our rights. We cannot let the obsessive bastards (CEO's, presidents, etc.) that lead these companies strip away our rights like Hitler did the Jews.
Likewise, it is pointless to simply complain. For those who don't digitally (technologically) help, letters to your state representatives can help. Corporations, unlike governments, must follow laws, and we can take away these unethical anti-rights and anti-competition activities.
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12. January 2011 @ 12:59 |
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Originally posted by NteStlKr:
All this drm (for media and hardware, via signing) is utter BS. It is simply totalitarian control, and they have spent millions trying to 1. say it is actually a good thing (which is obviously bullshit) and 2. blaming it on "hackers" that they have to do it in the first place. This is a textbook example the simplest of scapegoat tactics. Communist regimes and dictators/monarchies have used it successfully for centuries-- from ancient chinese dynasties, to the Nazi's.
Corporations, most of which are the commercial equivalent of oligarchies or dictatorships, have been using strategies based off of that more and more to kill competition, force loyalty, and to have obsessive control over their consumers' money and minds in exactly the same way. A great example is wal-mart's use of the scheme to kill employee unions. Wal-mart is famous for underpaying their workers, and that isn't by coincidence-- they are experts at manipulation. I'm constantly amazed at how our education system has failed us to the extent that people with a basic (HS) education can still be manipulated so easily into agreeing with the poorest choice of actions with so little manipulation effort.
But yeah, Sony is a great example of another company doing these same things. They try to make people feel guilty for exercising their most basic rights. How would you feel if you added a turbo in your mustang, and Ford came in the night and killed your car, or made it permanently unworthy for the road?
The point is, we must stand up for our rights. We cannot let the obsessive bastards (CEO's, presidents, etc.) that lead these companies strip away our rights like Hitler did the Jews.
Likewise, it is pointless to simply complain. For those who don't digitally (technologically) help, letters to your state representatives can help. Corporations, unlike governments, must follow laws, and we can take away these unethical anti-rights and anti-competition activities.
While I do to an extent agree with you some of your arguments, some of it just don't make sense. Adding turbo to a mustang only has positive effect to the car BUT some can argue IF he had not added turbo to the mustang his speed at the time of the accident would have been slower maybe minimizing the damage instead of the present magnitude of his speed caused.Also adding body kits,cold air intake,neon lights does not make easier to steal.
My big problem with this whole thing is Geohot and fail0verflow hacked the PS3 then bragged about it online and then released a how to.
I would have had no problem at all if they hacked the PS3 showed proof such as a video of said hacked PS3 and left it at that.Sony could have done without "Oh! And this is how you do it" Did you honestly think that releasing the tools on how to "hack your PS3" on the web will only be used by honest people?! We don't have to look far for such an example. Look at these recent USB dongles. Once the code hit the web all kinds of USB clones came out.
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12. January 2011 @ 13:24 |
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1.. who said anything about an accident? 2. Who said anything about speeding?
who said anything about stealing the car? if they leave it unlocked it could be stolen easily... but that point has nothing to do with the issues at hand: fair use, and artificial limits thereof.
Are you seriously saying that sony is right to try to punish everyone (in other words, treat all their customers like crap) and blame it on a few people having a little fun, who would have never given sony any money anyway? lmfao, wow.
why are you trying to defend sony? they screw you over, and you beg for more? what is it with kids these days. quit satisficing with your logic. it's annoying
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12. January 2011 @ 14:04 |
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Originally posted by NteStlKr:
1.. who said anything about an accident? 2. Who said anything about speeding?
who said anything about stealing the car? if they leave it unlocked it could be stolen easily... but that point has nothing to do with the issues at hand: fair use, and artificial limits thereof.
Are you seriously saying that sony is right to try to punish everyone (in other words, treat all their customers like crap) and blame it on a few people having a little fun, who would have never given sony any money anyway? lmfao, wow.
why are you trying to defend sony? they screw you over, and you beg for more? what is it with kids these days. quit satisficing with your logic. it's annoying
I'm sorry. You seem to have had a bad experience with Sony. I personally have not been screwed over by Sony so I don't hold the same animosity as you seem to have towards them.
I'm not defending Sony as I'm sure that they have rooms or lawyers to do that for them.
My issue is sometimes good intentions result in nothing but and unfortunately sometimes good people are the casualty.Removal of other OS was proof of this.
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12. January 2011 @ 16:05 |
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Originally posted by NteStlKr:
why are you trying to defend sony? they screw you over, and you beg for more? what is it with kids these days. quit satisficing with your logic. it's annoying
This is a PS3 board, Sony owns the PS3, thus the defence of Sony is justified.
Some little facts, i write for one of the PS3 scene sites, so i know a good bit about the console and the hacking that has happened since day 1.
1.)Sony has fought of hackers since the release of the PS3 Paradox/Ferrox ISO loaders were the real deal.
2.)Sony got rid of OtherOS on the slim, then GeoHot comes on to the scene, GeoHot gets partial access to the machines security, Sony remove OtherOS, GeoHot leaves.
3.)PS Jailbreak gets released as do many derivatives, fail0verflow attempt to restore Linux, which isn't illegal as the didn't break anything that wasn't already broken.
4.)GeoHot returns and releases the root keys, that in my opinion was a huge mistake.
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