|
Camaro,Challenger or Mustang,Which Muscle car has the best design
|
|
AfterDawn Addict
|
8. July 2009 @ 11:06 |
Link to this message
|
OK i like all three cars. i think they did an outstanding job with the retro design. The Challenger IMO looks most like the original. if i had to pic one though i like the Camaro the best. now coming up with the 30,000.00 to 35,000.00 dollars to buy one lol
Antec 1200 Full-Tower Case/Thermaltake 750-Watt PS/ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 Mobo/Western Digital Black WD500 500GB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache/NVIDIA GeForce 8800GTX 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express Video Card/CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM 16GB DDR3 /Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo)/CORSAIR Hydro High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler/3-Asus DRW-24B1ST Sata Drives/Samsung 2493HM 24" LCD Monitior 1920x1200 resolution,5ms respone time/OS Windows 10 Pro SP1 64-bit
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 11. July 2009 @ 10:40
|
|
Advertisement
|
|
|
|
Member
|
9. July 2009 @ 16:32 |
Link to this message
|
out of those 3 i prefer the mustang but would always buy european or japanese way better muscle cars lol
|
AfterDawn Addict
|
10. July 2009 @ 00:28 |
Link to this message
|
|
i personally have a 66 mustang, and my mother has a newer 07 mustang, and i hate hers compared to mine. there is a lot less room inside her car than mine, mine looks better since its the 'original' not a copy of the original, and its not all plastic in the interior like hers is (cheap ford crap). so i would go with the camaro as well, even though i would rather keep my 69 camaro over a new one.
Come talk with us on efnet at #elitemods !!! or just click ME
ALSO, DO NOT SEND ME MESSAGES ON LIVE REGARDING MODDING CONSOLES, OR HOW I PLAYED A CERTAIN GAME EARLY. I WILL NOT RESPOND. I WILL INSTEAD DELETE YOUR MESSAGE, AND BLOCK ALL COMMUNICATION FROM YOU. JUST SEND ME A PM ON HERE. |
|
varnull
Suspended permanently
|
10. July 2009 @ 12:03 |
Link to this message
|
|
I can't help wondering what you guys are going to do with your gas guzzlers when Obama signs the carbon treaty later this week.
|
AfterDawn Addict
|
10. July 2009 @ 15:04 |
Link to this message
|
tell him to piss off. just like i would tell anyone else that told me what to do with my cars.
Come talk with us on efnet at #elitemods !!! or just click ME
ALSO, DO NOT SEND ME MESSAGES ON LIVE REGARDING MODDING CONSOLES, OR HOW I PLAYED A CERTAIN GAME EARLY. I WILL NOT RESPOND. I WILL INSTEAD DELETE YOUR MESSAGE, AND BLOCK ALL COMMUNICATION FROM YOU. JUST SEND ME A PM ON HERE. |
AfterDawn Addict
|
10. July 2009 @ 15:48 |
Link to this message
|
Jan its a "Cap and Trade" bill and it has little chance of passing the Senate. and hill16 we aren't talking rice burners man, just American Muscle cars
Antec 1200 Full-Tower Case/Thermaltake 750-Watt PS/ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 Mobo/Western Digital Black WD500 500GB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache/NVIDIA GeForce 8800GTX 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express Video Card/CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM 16GB DDR3 /Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo)/CORSAIR Hydro High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler/3-Asus DRW-24B1ST Sata Drives/Samsung 2493HM 24" LCD Monitior 1920x1200 resolution,5ms respone time/OS Windows 10 Pro SP1 64-bit
|
|
varnull
Suspended permanently
|
10. July 2009 @ 16:28 |
Link to this message
|
Maybe we hear differemnt things in the news.. what we have been told is he will sign the Kyoto reduction things (unlike dubyah) and anything over a 1.6 litre and under 30mpg will be looked at most strongly.. (remember Jimmy Carters economy bill.. small engines get you from a>b just as well as a 8 litre v8) starting with a doubling of the fuel price.. we pay £1.08 a litre for fuel here.
At least thinking about our only world should have some importance.. we don't have an option.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 10. July 2009 @ 16:29
|
AfterDawn Addict
|
10. July 2009 @ 17:06 |
Link to this message
|
ya well the straigt six in my mustang gets about a 30 MPG and basically would run on water, the camaro has a 350 small block and gets about 22 MPG. wouldnt quite call either of them a gas guzzler.
Come talk with us on efnet at #elitemods !!! or just click ME
ALSO, DO NOT SEND ME MESSAGES ON LIVE REGARDING MODDING CONSOLES, OR HOW I PLAYED A CERTAIN GAME EARLY. I WILL NOT RESPOND. I WILL INSTEAD DELETE YOUR MESSAGE, AND BLOCK ALL COMMUNICATION FROM YOU. JUST SEND ME A PM ON HERE. |
AfterDawn Addict
|
11. July 2009 @ 03:51 |
Link to this message
|
|
mustang hands down.
|
AfterDawn Addict
3 product reviews
|
14. July 2009 @ 13:48 |
Link to this message
|
|
For fit, finish, and performance i'm going to say the Camaro.
|
AfterDawn Addict
1 product review
|
29. July 2009 @ 06:22 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by wabashman:
ya well the straigt six in my mustang gets about a 30 MPG and basically would run on water, the camaro has a 350 small block and gets about 22 MPG. wouldnt quite call either of them a gas guzzler.
-The mustang is not available with a strait six...and has not been available like this for many years. Also, there is no hydrogen version available for sale to the public (or even as a prototype as far as I know).
In terms of engineering:
All three have terrible engine designes.
All three have terrible frame designes.
All three have terrible overall engineering.
If you want an american muscle car with some engineering behind it, get yourself a corvette. If you must go with one of the three listed, the mustang is closer to being a well designed car than the other two (it is even available in a track ready version strait from ford).
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 29. July 2009 @ 11:27
|
AfterDawn Addict
|
29. July 2009 @ 15:47 |
Link to this message
|
|
KillerBug, I'm pretty sure he is referring to an older Mustang/Camaro
Antec 1200 Full-Tower Case/Thermaltake 750-Watt PS/ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 Mobo/Western Digital Black WD500 500GB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache/NVIDIA GeForce 8800GTX 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express Video Card/CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM 16GB DDR3 /Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo)/CORSAIR Hydro High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler/3-Asus DRW-24B1ST Sata Drives/Samsung 2493HM 24" LCD Monitior 1920x1200 resolution,5ms respone time/OS Windows 10 Pro SP1 64-bit
|
AfterDawn Addict
|
29. July 2009 @ 16:21 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by KillerBug:
Originally posted by wabashman:
ya well the straigt six in my mustang gets about a 30 MPG and basically would run on water, the camaro has a 350 small block and gets about 22 MPG. wouldnt quite call either of them a gas guzzler.
-The mustang is not available with a strait six...and has not been available like this for many years. Also, there is no hydrogen version available for sale to the public (or even as a prototype as far as I know).
In terms of engineering:
All three have terrible engine designes.
All three have terrible frame designes.
All three have terrible overall engineering.
If you want an american muscle car with some engineering behind it, get yourself a corvette. If you must go with one of the three listed, the mustang is closer to being a well designed car than the other two (it is even available in a track ready version strait from ford).
my mustang does in fact have a straight six. its a 66 mustang (just as i stated in my first post for this thread, so please get your facts straight before you say anything). and who said anything about a hydrogen kit.
Come talk with us on efnet at #elitemods !!! or just click ME
ALSO, DO NOT SEND ME MESSAGES ON LIVE REGARDING MODDING CONSOLES, OR HOW I PLAYED A CERTAIN GAME EARLY. I WILL NOT RESPOND. I WILL INSTEAD DELETE YOUR MESSAGE, AND BLOCK ALL COMMUNICATION FROM YOU. JUST SEND ME A PM ON HERE. |
Moderator
|
29. July 2009 @ 22:28 |
Link to this message
|
|
I'll throw my vote in - Camaro all the way. I think it looks SWEET!
If any of you guys want to buy me one I'll be more than happy to let you drive it one hour a year :D
|
AfterDawn Addict
1 product review
|
1. August 2009 @ 00:21 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by wabashman:
Originally posted by KillerBug:
Originally posted by wabashman:
ya well the straigt six in my mustang gets about a 30 MPG and basically would run on water, the camaro has a 350 small block and gets about 22 MPG. wouldnt quite call either of them a gas guzzler.
-The mustang is not available with a strait six...and has not been available like this for many years. Also, there is no hydrogen version available for sale to the public (or even as a prototype as far as I know).
In terms of engineering:
All three have terrible engine designes.
All three have terrible frame designes.
All three have terrible overall engineering.
If you want an american muscle car with some engineering behind it, get yourself a corvette. If you must go with one of the three listed, the mustang is closer to being a well designed car than the other two (it is even available in a track ready version strait from ford).
my mustang does in fact have a straight six. its a 66 mustang (just as i stated in my first post for this thread, so please get your facts straight before you say anything). and who said anything about a hydrogen kit.
1.) The question was about NEW muscle cars, not 1966 models. Also, it is about muscle cars. The strait six mustang is not a muscle car, it is just a pony car. It becomes a muscle car when you put in some muscle.
2.) The post said it basicly runs on water, AKA Hydrogen with some oxygen in it. Did you mean Russian Water?
|
|
zooom1834
Suspended due to non-functional email address
|
1. August 2009 @ 01:09 |
Link to this message
|
As everyone knows the power to weight ratio of muscle cars is terrible.
For me its between mustang and camaro
but like us Americans do we just throw a huge engine to make up for it :)
The mustang (the new ones) is everywhere and the stock not gt package is usually referred to as the poor mans sports car.... and even the gt isn't that amazing if you think of it. But it has a classy look to it, and you can rely on ford.
The Camaro is using the similar engines as the 1970-81 second gen, The classic 350 v8 and the straight 6, for a six that makes around 304 horses thats pretty amazing.
Hands down im going with Camaro
|
AfterDawn Addict
|
1. August 2009 @ 01:48 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by KillerBug:
1.) The question was about NEW muscle cars, not 1966 models. Also, it is about muscle cars. The strait six mustang is not a muscle car, it is just a pony car. It becomes a muscle car when you put in some muscle.
2.) The post said it basicly runs on water, AKA Hydrogen with some oxygen in it. Did you mean Russian Water?
1) the OP was also discussing how they compare to the original cars. i simply stated that i own a 66 mustang and my mother owns the new version and compared them.
2) i never claimed mine was a muscle car now did i??
3) by stating it basically runs on water is a common used figure of speech when referring to older v6's as they pretty much run on anything you throw at them, including mine, that started up perfectly this morning after sitting for two years with 3 year old gas in the tank.
Come talk with us on efnet at #elitemods !!! or just click ME
ALSO, DO NOT SEND ME MESSAGES ON LIVE REGARDING MODDING CONSOLES, OR HOW I PLAYED A CERTAIN GAME EARLY. I WILL NOT RESPOND. I WILL INSTEAD DELETE YOUR MESSAGE, AND BLOCK ALL COMMUNICATION FROM YOU. JUST SEND ME A PM ON HERE. |
AfterDawn Addict
1 product review
|
1. August 2009 @ 02:32 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by wabashman:
started up perfectly this morning after sitting for two years with 3 year old gas in the tank.
-That is notable (although most carbureted cars will start with such gas, the problems happen once the carburator gets gummed up). Will your car run on perfume? I know the old beattle will.
-If the question was "What one looks most like the original", I would agree with ZoSoIV that the challenger looks most like it's '60's namesake. The front end of the Camaro looks nothing like the '60's/early '70's models and the new mustang has none of the hard lines and defined the orriginals.
BTW...I know this probably does not appeal to you, but I will at least mention it: Pontiac is going out of business (part of the GM bankruptcy). This means that the Solstice is in it's last year of production. If the car appeals to you, this would be the last chance to buy once new.
|
Senior Member
3 product reviews
|
3. August 2009 @ 07:45 |
Link to this message
|
2010 Camaro SS
MSRP: 30,245 - 33,430 (ss1, ss2)
Configuration:Front Engine/RWD
Engine:V8
Displacement:6162 cc
Horsepower:422 bhp @ 5000 rpm
Torque:408 lb-ft @ 4500 rpm
Max RPM:6600 rpm
Transmission:6-Speed Manual/Automatic
Weight:3860 lbs
Height:54.2 in
Length:190.4 inWidth:75.5 in
Wheelbase:112.3 in
Track (f/r):f: 63.7/r: 63.7 in
0-60 mph: 4.7 secs
MPG: 16 city, 24 highway
2010 Challenger RT
MSRP: $30,800
Configuration:Front Engine/RWD
Engine:V8
Displacement:5654 cc
Horsepower:372 bhp @ 5200 rpm
Torque:401 lb-ft @ 4400 rpm
Max RPM:6500 rpm
Transmission:6-Speed Manual/5-Speed Auto
Weight:4041 lbs
Height:58.2 in
Length:197.7 in
Width:75.7 in
Wheelbase:116.0 in
Track (f/r):f: 63.o/r: 63.1 in
0-60 mph: 5.1 secs
MPG: 15 city, 23 highway
2010 Mustang GT
MSRP: $33,520
Configuration:Front Engine/RWD
Engine:V8
Displacement:4606 cc
Horsepower:315 bhp @ 6000 rpm
Torque:325 lb-ft @ 4250 rpm
Max RPM:6250 rpm
Transmission:5-Speed Manual/Automatic
Weight:3533 lbs
Height:56.1 in
Length:188.1 in
Width:73.9 in
Wheelbase:107.1 in
Track (f/r):f: 62.3/r: 62.9 in
0-60 Mph: 4.9 secs
MPG: 16 city, 24 highway
Also there's this
http://www.mustangblog.com/blog/1019733_...-challenger-r-t
With all this info i'd have to go with the camaro. I never really had a prefrence between chevy or ford (i prefer forced induction, low compression and technology over pushrods high compression and displacement), but i've worked on both of them at one point or another. The camaro just kills the competition and runs the new ls9 6.2l. Chevy has been on top since the release of the turbo cobalt. They went though and developed all the technology for the C6 vette (i've had my friends stock ls3 c6 at 195mph in 5th gear 1,200rpm till redline and another gear left) and then threw it in a econo box. Really does the cobalt need launch control and no lift shift? It's just rediculous.....The camaro is a step above the rest.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 3. August 2009 @ 07:58
|
AfterDawn Addict
|
3. August 2009 @ 10:18 |
Link to this message
|
|
good info C4RN1
Antec 1200 Full-Tower Case/Thermaltake 750-Watt PS/ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 Mobo/Western Digital Black WD500 500GB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache/NVIDIA GeForce 8800GTX 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express Video Card/CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM 16GB DDR3 /Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo)/CORSAIR Hydro High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler/3-Asus DRW-24B1ST Sata Drives/Samsung 2493HM 24" LCD Monitior 1920x1200 resolution,5ms respone time/OS Windows 10 Pro SP1 64-bit
|
AfterDawn Addict
1 product review
|
4. August 2009 @ 06:12 |
Link to this message
|
This is why I say the engineering is lacking:
2010 Camaro SS = 422HP & 408LB-FT from 6162 cc
1HP Per 14.60CC, 1FT-LB per 15.10CC
2010 Challenger RT = 372hp & 401LB-FT from 5654 cc
1HP per 15.20CC, 1FT-LB per 14.10CC
2010 Mustang GT = 315HP & 325LB-FT from 4606 cc
1HP per 14.62CC, 1 FT-LB per 14.17CC
2003 Toyota Matrix XRS (aka ugly, slow s**tbox) = 180HP & 130FT-LB from 1796CC
1HP per 9.98CC, 1FT-LB per 13.82CC
As you can see, this outdated pig-mobile of a toyota economy car makes more power and torque per CC than any of these "muscle" cars. It does this without forced induction, and while maintaining a ULEV rating (the engine will make over 600HP with correct tuning). Toyota's goal was not a super-car or even a muscle car...they just wanted to make an economy car that had the power to merge onto the freeway. Clearly the big three wanted just enough power to merge onto the freeway. But instead of making efficient engines or lite-weight cars, they just stuck giant V8's with no power under the hoods of cars that make their all-steel '60's namesakes seem lightweight!
|
Senior Member
|
15. August 2009 @ 02:53 |
Link to this message
|
It's kind of a draw for me between the camaro and the challanger, they both look good, brings back so many memories, I owned both a 396/375 1967 camaro and a 1970 hemi challanger, can still kick myself in the ass in getting rid of both.
The gentleman that said the foreign muscle cars are better, I want some of what he or she was smoking.
|
AfterDawn Addict
|
15. October 2009 @ 22:58 |
Link to this message
|
well i didn't end up buying any of the three but i did buy a Toyota FJ Crusier which i'm very happy with. here are a couple pics.
Antec 1200 Full-Tower Case/Thermaltake 750-Watt PS/ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 Mobo/Western Digital Black WD500 500GB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache/NVIDIA GeForce 8800GTX 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express Video Card/CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM 16GB DDR3 /Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo)/CORSAIR Hydro High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler/3-Asus DRW-24B1ST Sata Drives/Samsung 2493HM 24" LCD Monitior 1920x1200 resolution,5ms respone time/OS Windows 10 Pro SP1 64-bit
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 16. October 2009 @ 11:04
|
AfterDawn Addict
3 product reviews
|
16. October 2009 @ 11:01 |
Link to this message
|
|
That's a nice looking Ride Scott.
You're still enjoying it i'm assuming? ;-)
|
|
Advertisement
|
|
|
AfterDawn Addict
|
16. October 2009 @ 11:41 |
Link to this message
|
yeah i love it. the more i drive it the more i like the truck. here is a pic i took after i detailed it out and had the windows tinted.
Antec 1200 Full-Tower Case/Thermaltake 750-Watt PS/ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 Mobo/Western Digital Black WD500 500GB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache/NVIDIA GeForce 8800GTX 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express Video Card/CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM 16GB DDR3 /Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo)/CORSAIR Hydro High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler/3-Asus DRW-24B1ST Sata Drives/Samsung 2493HM 24" LCD Monitior 1920x1200 resolution,5ms respone time/OS Windows 10 Pro SP1 64-bit
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 16. October 2009 @ 11:42
|
