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sellin
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2. October 2010 @ 13:31 |
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So my internet package is 3mps and I did a speed test and got this.
but for some reason any time i use torrents or something like that the fastest I can download is about 350kbs which sucks, its not doing as good as it should and I would like it faster. Any help would be appriciated.
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2. October 2010 @ 14:03 |
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ISP's measure in bits, torrent clients in bytes, 1 byte = 8 bits, your 350 KB (bytes) is 2800 kb (bits) which is great. Your upload speed is 40 KB (kilobytes) according to your test. Edit: Use a port in the 50,000s for Bellsouth according to this: http://wiki.vuze.com/w/Bad_ISPs Is that kb, you're being blocked by your ISP if so.
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sellin
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2. October 2010 @ 15:23 |
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I guess ur right about that. Me and my brother had is labtop is florida and idk what the speeds where there but we were downloading at 1.3Mb/s. If mine is downloading at 350kB/s then how come it just doesnt read in Mb/s. his might have been different but im pretty sure it took him about 10min roughly to download a 700mb file.
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2. October 2010 @ 16:18 |
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It doesn't show in Mb because ISPs choose to advertise in kilobits, a kind of false yet truthful advertising, 3 Mb sounds a lot better than the 375 KB it is. Not sure on times but at 350 KB you should be able to download a 700 MB file in around an hour, at 350 kb, forever.
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Mez
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5. October 2010 @ 21:21 |
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sellin, you need to lower your expectations or improve your game plan. 350 is a good speed in the real world. I really hope that isn't one torrent you are complaining about. If I am seeing 100 or more on a torrent that is an exception. Some needs to push that 350 to you. You are not king of the torrents. The world will not center around you and a newbie at that. I have seen my share of torrents that do less that 1k. If you want to improve your download speed you can't just will a torrent to go faster. The only thing you can do is down load many torrents at once. Still, as you approach 1,000 you will attract unfriendlies that will start blocking your port and maybe crash your computer. You will not stay up there for more than a few hrs. Still that is the way to go. You obviously get throttled by something. My rate continues to slide. Partly because of the throttle, partly because the sweet torrents get finished fast.
Hey MistyCat I have gotten 1,500 out of my computer once. The units are correct. I don't do much any more and only do weekends sometimes only 1 weekend a month. After a few weeks off I can always get over 1,000 for maybe the first hr. However if you download routinely, 350 is a REAL good number.
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6. October 2010 @ 00:57 |
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350 KB is a good speed if it's fairly consistent on a good torrent, a peak of 350 KB with a low average, not so much. My speeds are a bit higher than that but Hollywood has been putting out such junk the last few years a bit of time here or there doesn't matter anymore, LOL. Besides, if consistency, no uploading (due to cap, UL throttling, etc) are important, look into Newsgroups but a bad ISP will still be bad but if you can find your file within your retention you'll always get top speeds. Not exactly free as you'll probably need to rent a Server.
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6. October 2010 @ 08:16 |
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In the US Time Warner, Roadrunner, Cox and a few more I forget are more anti P2P than the big ones that are consumed in a turf battle. For the anti P2P ISPs newsgroups will buy you something but might get you kicked off because their quotas are low. The biggest quota in that group is only 50g/mon. Even 350 only during weekends will get you kicked off even the most lax. If I remember correctly, you will even be pushing Comcast with the biggest cap of 350d/mon. I am trying to remember when I was DLing more frequently, before the caps. I am sure that rate just over a weekend will deliver over 50g.
I don't go after much that has a swarm. Most of what I go for has less than 10 peers. A 'swarm' for me is over 30 seeds. Mistycat probably goes after more popular stuff some of the time.
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6. October 2010 @ 12:42 |
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I do go after some new stuff, the previews are great at making even junk look good but I'm going for mostly the older classics now, trouble is a lot only made it to VHS which doesn't burn to DVD with much quality. Your 50 G would almost have me at my cap which is a ridiculous 60 G but as long as I stay under 125 G with not much uploading all seems fine. My last ISP actually phoned me regarding my uploading, now they throttle UL which strikes me as just plain stupidity. If I lived in the US rather than Canada, which doesn't recognize US copyright, don't think I'd be doing any downloading of newer stuff. We're lucky here, the ISP tells the MPAA to hit the road and informs us we've been tagged, enough notices though and I imagine the ISP would get fed up and let you go just because of the irratation.
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Mez
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6. October 2010 @ 14:23 |
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Originally posted by mistycat:
My last ISP actually phoned me regarding my uploading, now they throttle UL which strikes me as just plain stupidity.
That is interesting! I bet that is the new plan. I have also noticed a possible throttling there as well. Ups were never throttled before. That is a universal complaint it is hard to get your ratios up to snuff. If they use a blunt instrument to throttle the ups surfing and streaming are unaffected. Targeting downs requires a far sharper instrument.
It doesn't take many HD videos to hit any cap.
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6. October 2010 @ 17:26 |
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Originally posted by Mez:
Originally posted by mistycat:
My last ISP actually phoned me regarding my uploading, now they throttle UL which strikes me as just plain stupidity.
That is interesting! I bet that is the new plan. I have also noticed a possible throttling there as well. Ups were never throttled before. That is a universal complaint it is hard to get your ratios up to snuff. If they use a blunt instrument to throttle the ups surfing and streaming are unaffected. Targeting downs requires a far sharper instrument.
It doesn't take many HD videos to hit any cap.
Exactly, that's the main reason I find Newsgroups so attractive, HD and DVD-R are out of the question with torrents and a low cap. And if ISP's were truly concerned about torrents, all they would have to do is institute some kind of UL throttling across the board. Private or public sites wouldn't last a month with no uploading. Never say never but they can't even distinguish between a legal torrent and one that isn't, maybe in twenty years but there will always be countries that won't go along even so.
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Mez
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6. October 2010 @ 18:01 |
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They used to be worried about torrents. They have learned to contain torrents so they are not really an issue. There was a time where torrent use doubled yearly and even in the US where torrents used a lower percentage it hit 50%. That is when the ISPs took real action.
My ISP, Comcast was the badest boy in the world at that time. Worse than Virgin (UK). However, when they announced they were going to have caps, they lost so many customers it hurt. It came to them the biggest reason to buy high speed internet like theirs is to download stuff. From then on they had a complete reversal of attitude. Pirates were floating their boat! They sent out a conciliatory letter stating they may increase the cap ...bla bla bla...
A bit later they came up with if you keep to the cap and only down load during off hrs we will leave you alone. That has worked for them. In fact they do not give out owners names for their IP addresses with out a good fight. They have learned to true nature of the scum that wants the names. I think they asked 50 USDs for each name they provided in a resent case. The scum bag was scandalized that they would have to pay anything and wouldn't anti up. Here they were hoping to realize 10s of thousands of dollars per name but would cough up 50. They wanted Comcast to pay for that service for them.
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manbaby
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14. October 2010 @ 11:36 |
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Originally posted by sellin:
So my internet package is 3mps and I did a speed test and got this.
but for some reason any time i use torrents or something like that the fastest I can download is about 350kbs which sucks, its not doing as good as it should and I would like it faster. Any help would be appriciated.
One of the major problem that I have had in the past was my own ISP's throttling or limiting of my bandwidth simply because I am using a torrent client! You almost need to have a workaround... I have been using a dedicated proxy server service which not only prevents bandwidth throttling, but also offers total anonymity in my surfing and downloading, etc. Even my ISP doesn't know what I am doing. There are several out there with varied levels of difficulty incorporating it into my torrent client, but the one that I like - alot - is www.torrentsecurity.com. It works in all (that I have tried, anyway) the torrent clients out there, and is SIMPLE to use. The kicker is that they gave me a free trial to see if I even liked it. I do!
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Mez
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14. October 2010 @ 12:17 |
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Originally posted by manbaby:
I have been using a dedicated proxy server service which not only prevents bandwidth throttling, but also offers total anonymity in my surfing and downloading, etc. Even my ISP doesn't know what I am doing.
Does it use SSL? That is the only way to hide your actions from your ISP. There was an AD article about dedicated proxy servers. Because you paid with a CC or some other traceable method of payment, if the cyber police ever decide to come after you, you are dead in the water. They get someone to hack into the proxy server's system and everyone using that server is caught with no wiggle room. If you didn't use a secure server and get caught you can claim it wasn't me. Because wireless networks are not secure right now you have a legitimate excuse. They can order you to secure your network and if you ask how they may just shut up. I asked for help securing my network from my ISP and they back peddled real hard. The knew before I, that right now all the wireless security systems are compromised. I think you will notice a lack of persons getting letters saying cease and desist. I assure you ISPs do not want the liability of wrongly accusing anyone, plus it is always bad for their business
You may be wrong as far as being throttled by your ISP. It is more likely your torrent client was being throttled by the cyber police/robots. I sometimes run 2 clients to fool the cyber bots. That way you look half the size/threat to their pea brains. If I was doing more I would run more clients. Each client is considered a separate entity. Usually only one gets throttled, if any. You also appear to be hacked with multiple clients active on the same IP address. If the ISP throttles you everything gets throttled. The cyber bots just throttle/plug the port opening on your client.
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DigitalGarden
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15. October 2010 @ 14:06 |
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Great Topic Mez, Mistycat &Manbaby!
I came across this thread because it came up on our analytics.
Torrent Security does not use SSL. There are two distinct issues here and I will address both:
1. Traffic Shaping / Bandwidth Throttles
Traffic is shaped 1 of several ways:
a) hard shaping - as in, you are limited in speed regardless of your traffic. In this case, the ISP simply throttles your bandwidth regardless of your traffic. This is known as "lying" i.e. you are paying for 2mbps but you are only getting 1mbps. Nothing can defeat this other than changing your ISP.
b) soft shaping - Your speed is limited by the port the traffic flows over Torrent Security destroys this. All our traffic runs over the HTTP port and looks like web browsing traffic, so they don't limit it.
c) HTB / Token bucket - Your speed "bursts" and then levels out lower then the max. This is when an ISP allocates bandwidth over time. So each time you click a web page, it sort of "bursts" the data to you, but if you start streaming data your data slows down. This is the same has hard shaping. Generally defeated as they dont
limit the HTTP traffic.
d) Pattern detection / recognition - Looks at the "flow" of data and tries to determine what the type of traffic is. Once again, defeated, as everything is tunneled over HTTP ports and looks nothing like the craziness of standard torrent traffic (random ports, small packets, bunchs of random IP's connecting in and out).
d) Packet inspection - Your data is evaluated packet by packet for class and then limited based on rules. Undefeatable unless you use SSL or VPN. 99% chance your ISP does NOT do this. We have HUNDREDs of servers handling our load and a couple of billion packets per second in and out. ISP's simply cannot analyze this much data real time. A 10Gbps stream will kill a quad core Xeon at about 6Gbps of packet inspection.
2. Privacy
There are two concerns regarding privacy:
a) Encrypted transport (SSL / VPN etc) SSL/VPN is a highly effective way to hide your "data" that flows from you to the proxy, however once it exits the proxy, it is unencrypted and could ultimately be traced back to the original user. This is not true end-to-end encryption. It will only hide your data from your ISP. Torrent Security does not do this as the overhead of carrying a SSL/VPN tunnel is huge and not cost effective. Your ISP would need a warrant from a law enforcement agency to actually monitor your traffic. Almost impossible to do if they cant show proof of infringement (see IP detection below) (FYI, ISP's dont give a shit, they just want to
provide service cheap)
b) IP detection / recognition.
Our proxies tunnel all of your data through our systems, thus the world only sees the IP address of our servers, not yours. Nobody knows who you are anymore, you are effectively 100% anonymous.
c) Hacked / Monitored 3rd part / end to end IP establishment. Good luck. Our systems are rock solid and secured by the smartest
minds on the planet. Even if someone did get in, they would need to turn on the logs, which would fill the drives in about 2 minutes flat, if they didnt bring the systems to their knees because of all the I/Os. We would only provide access to these systems with signed warrants from both US and Amsterdam governments since our systems are in 2 countries, and then we still have the log issue. It will never happen.
d) Payment account matching.
Create a fake email and use paypal. We don't require a CC. We dont care who you are.
The best way to try this out, is for us to give you a free account,
would any of you like one?
Thanks
Ryan
Torrent Security
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manbaby
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17. October 2010 @ 13:25 |
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Originally posted by DigitalGarden:
Great Topic Mez, Mistycat &Manbaby!
I came across this thread because it came up on our analytics.
Torrent Security does not use SSL. There are two distinct issues here and I will address both:
1. Traffic Shaping / Bandwidth Throttles
Traffic is shaped 1 of several ways:
a) hard shaping - as in, you are limited in speed regardless of your traffic. In this case, the ISP simply throttles your bandwidth regardless of your traffic. This is known as "lying" i.e. you are paying for 2mbps but you are only getting 1mbps. Nothing can defeat this other than changing your ISP.
b) soft shaping - Your speed is limited by the port the traffic flows over Torrent Security destroys this. All our traffic runs over the HTTP port and looks like web browsing traffic, so they don't limit it.
c) HTB / Token bucket - Your speed "bursts" and then levels out lower then the max. This is when an ISP allocates bandwidth over time. So each time you click a web page, it sort of "bursts" the data to you, but if you start streaming data your data slows down. This is the same has hard shaping. Generally defeated as they dont
limit the HTTP traffic.
d) Pattern detection / recognition - Looks at the "flow" of data and tries to determine what the type of traffic is. Once again, defeated, as everything is tunneled over HTTP ports and looks nothing like the craziness of standard torrent traffic (random ports, small packets, bunchs of random IP's connecting in and out).
d) Packet inspection - Your data is evaluated packet by packet for class and then limited based on rules. Undefeatable unless you use SSL or VPN. 99% chance your ISP does NOT do this. We have HUNDREDs of servers handling our load and a couple of billion packets per second in and out. ISP's simply cannot analyze this much data real time. A 10Gbps stream will kill a quad core Xeon at about 6Gbps of packet inspection.
2. Privacy
There are two concerns regarding privacy:
a) Encrypted transport (SSL / VPN etc) SSL/VPN is a highly effective way to hide your "data" that flows from you to the proxy, however once it exits the proxy, it is unencrypted and could ultimately be traced back to the original user. This is not true end-to-end encryption. It will only hide your data from your ISP. Torrent Security does not do this as the overhead of carrying a SSL/VPN tunnel is huge and not cost effective. Your ISP would need a warrant from a law enforcement agency to actually monitor your traffic. Almost impossible to do if they cant show proof of infringement (see IP detection below) (FYI, ISP's dont give a shit, they just want to
provide service cheap)
b) IP detection / recognition.
Our proxies tunnel all of your data through our systems, thus the world only sees the IP address of our servers, not yours. Nobody knows who you are anymore, you are effectively 100% anonymous.
c) Hacked / Monitored 3rd part / end to end IP establishment. Good luck. Our systems are rock solid and secured by the smartest
minds on the planet. Even if someone did get in, they would need to turn on the logs, which would fill the drives in about 2 minutes flat, if they didnt bring the systems to their knees because of all the I/Os. We would only provide access to these systems with signed warrants from both US and Amsterdam governments since our systems are in 2 countries, and then we still have the log issue. It will never happen.
d) Payment account matching.
Create a fake email and use paypal. We don't require a CC. We dont care who you are.
The best way to try this out, is for us to give you a free account,
would any of you like one?
Thanks
Ryan
Torrent Security
Thanks, Ryan for clearing that up. Good information. Personally, I will continue to use your service at home and at work!
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Mez
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17. October 2010 @ 19:36 |
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How do you get money into that paypal account? Those transactions are traced as well.
No matter what Ryan says. I know someone that got a cease and desist letter a few yrs back. It listed ALL his torrent activity for a month. Names and size of the files with a start and stop time. There is an application Sandvines that will do that and much much more. They may not be using this info but I would be very surprised if many ISPs did not have this capability.
SSL or VPN are secure.
Lastly, I suspect most of the throttling we see with the ports blocked are not coming from the ISP. When your port is blocked that is most likely coming from 'the bad guys'. ISPs can literally throttle you like the water company can cut off your water. The ports are attacked on the client software.
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