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27. September 2011 @ 05:32 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
It's October 12/13, but that's only a rumour at this stage, as far as I know AMD haven't verified it.
It is also suggested that only 8-core and 6-core versions of the CPUs will be released at this stage, with quad cores following next year.
The MSRPs are cause for concern though, $245/£190 for the high-end 3.6Ghz Octacore, is either seriously competitive, or it's making up for a shortfall.
The current gamers' CPU, the 3.3Ghz Hex, is priced at $175/£135, which is considerably less than its main rival, the i5 2500K.
i cant wait till we get the new 32 core processor. why there pissing about with more cores is beyond me. 4 cores at 4GHz+ we should be able to achieve that.
Sigh..So many Spoons when all you need is a Knife.
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27. September 2011 @ 05:36 |
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Part of the Bulldozer range is a Quad core CPU that is 4.2Ghz stock. Not due out until after the initial launch though it would seem.
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27. September 2011 @ 05:49 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Part of the Bulldozer range is a Quad core CPU that is 4.2Ghz stock. Not due out until after the initial launch though it would seem.
:( disappointing.
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27. September 2011 @ 05:58 |
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Yep it worries me as well :(
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27. September 2011 @ 06:11 |
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I don't know, with all the setbacks and the revelation of the low prices, I can't help but get the impression the Bulldozer architecture's going to be a flop. The only way AMD would be charging that little for their high-end 8-core CPUs is if the performance per mhz per core of Bulldozer was exactly the same as it is now with the Phenom II. You just wouldn't see a 3.1Ghz 6-core CPU cost less than a 3.3Ghz 4-core CPU unless it was going to be a lot slower per-core.
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27. September 2011 @ 06:45 |
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AMD also seems to be having manufacturing issues. Llano had low yields and they expect Bulldozer to be even worse. Also, there will be an architecture revision coming out very shortly after the release that is supposed to make it much faster, which makes me wonder why they don't wait and release a proper product instead of a neutered first wave. I would really like to see Bulldozer blow Intel out of the water but it looks like they're gonna have another HD2900/Phenom I fiasco. Not to mention the Llano APUs eat somewhat into their video card sales.
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27. September 2011 @ 06:49 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
AMD also seems to be having manufacturing issues. Llano had low yields and they expect Bulldozer to be even worse. Also, there will be an architecture revision coming out very shortly after the release that is supposed to make it much faster, which makes me wonder why they don't wait and release a proper product instead of a neutered first wave. I would really like to see Bulldozer blow Intel out of the water but it looks like they're gonna have another HD2900/Phenom I fiasco. Not to mention the Llano APUs eat somewhat into their video card sales.
They're already having issues with production of the HD6900 series graphics (still), so I think AMD as a whole are generally a bit behind the production front.
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27. September 2011 @ 06:51 |
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Which is generally disappointing. If Bulldozer fails I have no problem going back to Intel but not using ATi video cards hurts my soul :P :(
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27. September 2011 @ 06:54 |
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I don't think that's likely to be a massive issue for the graphics side, as both companies are behind due to TSMC's 28nm process yields. AMD CPUs though, I'm not sure, Bulldozer really needs to be a magic bullet for AMD to bring them back in the game, and so far, I'm not convinced.
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27. September 2011 @ 07:03 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
There's a premium to pay for performance your rivals are completely unable to offer :P
Sam,
By "rivals", I'm assuming you are meaning AMD? When you can build me something like this for this price in a competitive Intel, be sure and let me know. Granted the Case and PSU aren't much, so I added a Cooler Master RC-534+ W/460w PSU. I would sell the case and PSU to someone who wants something cheap! I also added an ODD. It would make a darn nice computer console for cheap! Oddly enough the CPUs with the least cache memory seem to see the most improvement in a good AM3+ motherboard. My guess is, it's the higher thruput of the AM3+ motherboards.
Even with the additions, it's $309.97 with the $10 MIR. The shipping is just under $12, so just call it an even $322, delivered. Outstanding!
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When only the best will do, $1000 per CPU is acceptable to the hardware elite :P
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27. September 2011 @ 07:17 |
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27. September 2011 @ 08:37 |
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the only thing is, is that the pentium just don't oc well, or infact at all.
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27. September 2011 @ 10:09 |
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You're about to tell me you buy $220 systems for their overclocking potential? I'd like to see you overclock an AMD in a $50 budget basic board. When you've put the fire out, come back and tell me how you got on...
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27. September 2011 @ 10:15 |
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you could but an extra $50 in, and of it then
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27. September 2011 @ 11:29 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Given that the i7 quad cores are already more powerful than the Phenom II X6, I'd say at least 50%, perhaps more. When only the best will do, $1000 per CPU is acceptable to the hardware elite :P
Only the i7 990x is about 50% stronger (not more), close to it even with their own i7 970 which maybe 30%+ slower, so it is a beast. But when you have to have a $500+ motherboard and the cpu is $1000+ and 3 or 6 sticks of RAM for it to perform it is just a little nuts. So if you absolutely need the fastest and can afford the waste of money then you go with the Intel.
Now with that said I'd still like to have it I just won't spend that kind of money right now but if times were better I would consider it for one of my PC's.
I was going to argue the 50% with you Sam but I did a little research and found real testing not benchmark nonsense which supports your 50% pretty close, I'd never of believed it otherwise. So yes you are right for the hardware elite this would be a good choice.
Good one Sam,
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27. September 2011 @ 11:31 |
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You don't have to have a $500 board to use the 970 or 990X, and you know that :P
You could quite happily put one in a $150 board, they're only the same chipset and socket as the other LGA1366 CPUs. 3 or 6 sticks of RAM are hardly expensive either. Some 12GB 1600mhz CAS9 is what, $80? You can run an i7 970, 12GB of RAM and a decent board for $850 all-in. That's not really that obscene.
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27. September 2011 @ 12:11 |
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I gotta agree with Sam.
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27. September 2011 @ 12:31 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
You don't have to have a $500 board to use the 970 or 990X, and you know that :P
You could quite happily put one in a $150 board, they're only the same chipset and socket as the other LGA1366 CPUs. 3 or 6 sticks of RAM are hardly expensive either. Some 12GB 1600mhz CAS9 is what, $80? You can run an i7 970, 12GB of RAM and a decent board for $850 all-in. That's not really that obscene.
Nope I was ready some of the articles and they said that you loose performance if you don't go with the board I selected or the Z68 so you do it you want your full potential and the 970 isn't worth the money for the little performance you gain but the 990x definitely is.
And yes that is obscene for the 970 in that case I definitely disagree! Again the only case I see valid is going all out with the 990!!
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27. September 2011 @ 13:18 |
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Heck, even a slow 8 core would probably be better than my quad when it comes to X264. That program needs more cores!
I would need a lot of money to justify intels offerings. Bleeding edge technology is nice, but I don't need to be on the front line for that much money. I'm quite content being a runner up. I guess I'm not even a runner up at this time :S I want the 1090t, but I'm trying really hard to not click buy LOL! With an 8-core on the horizon, it'd be a dumb decision to buy a 6 core, when the program I use the most (X264), will benefit from more cores.
Although a 6 core, and an 8 core would be very nice. When I do my upgrade in february, perhaps I'll sell 965, and help with the 1090t purchase.
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27. September 2011 @ 13:35 |
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the 2600k is as fast as the 990x, and is only a quad core. A z86 board isnt expensive, nor is 8gb of ram
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27. September 2011 @ 14:58 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
the 2600k is as fast as the 990x, and is only a quad core. A z86 board isnt expensive, nor is 8gb of ram
Well I really don't think $225 is cheap in any way or means so again I would disagree fully!
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27. September 2011 @ 15:10 |
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Why are you deliberately skewing things? I'm just curious. You know you can buy Z68 boards for $100...
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27. September 2011 @ 16:03 |
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Not really sure you can get a board for $90 even but there are only a few boards around $100 and they go up very fast especially if you want any features at all. Most of the board are $150 to $250 or higher unlike AMD solutions that can start at $50 and the very high-end boards may be $200-$250, maybe! But a really good board is around $100 instead of a cheap board.
So no, I don't think so sorry! Intel is ALWAYS exorbitantly priced.
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27. September 2011 @ 16:05 |
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Except in the overwhelming number of cases when they aren't? A $100 Intel board is similarly featured to a $100 AMD board. To get the high-end features you find on $150 boards, you'd better spend ooh I dunno, $150?
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27. September 2011 @ 16:32 |
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Don't agree!
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