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scorpNZ
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5. August 2011 @ 23:23 |
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why did you both use the reply button to each of your posts,it was unnecessary as you were the only two talking it made a right mess of the topic as if you didn't know that
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cdan
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6. August 2011 @ 00:32 |
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Originally posted by cdan:
Originally posted by cdan:
Originally posted by ddp:
lungfish & cdan, knockoff the quotes or i'll quote you off this site, posts edited.
hey....don't look at ME....i haven't posted in days.
cdan
what do you mean by 'quotes" ?
quoting each other??? I was asking questions and lungfish was answering, unless something was getting posted more than once...and if so, it wasn't us.
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6. August 2011 @ 00:36 |
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Has anybody heard if Slysoft(anydvd)defeated or is working on this cinavia?
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cdan
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6. August 2011 @ 00:49 |
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Originally posted by FredBun:
Has anybody heard if Slysoft(anydvd)defeated or is working on this cinavia?
don't remember seeing anything about it in the last few updates, but....I guess a good way to see would be to rip/burn a Sony movie.
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ddp
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6. August 2011 @ 01:03 |
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cdan, you don't need to do the quotes like you are doing now. i have better things to do then spend about 10 minutes editing 2 pages because 2 members went quote happy.
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lungfish
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6. August 2011 @ 05:51 |
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Point taken. Sorry!
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cdan
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6. August 2011 @ 10:56 |
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i'm missing something here.......you mean by hitting the reply button to answer instead of using the 'reply to this discussion thread" ? If that's the case....sorry, didn't know.
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6. August 2011 @ 11:05 |
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I found out some more info about this cinavia thing, this came from the slysoft forum, this was not a member or Mod, this came from one of thier staff, anyway this thing almost sounds like it will be impossible to beat, when I say almost I'm hoping somebody out there can figure this out, here is what he said.
Cinavia is a watermark that is embedded in the audio track of movies that are played on several different media. Cinema has its own Cinavia watermark called Message 1. DVD/Blu-ray has a Message 3 Cinavia watermark. The different types of embedded Cinavia signals instruct the player to do different things. If you attempt to play a Cinema recording on a Cinavia infected Blu-ray player, playback is stopped immediately and the error message 1 is displayed. If you attempt to play a backup of a Cinavia infected DVD or Blu-ray on a Cinavia infected Blu-ray player, then you will get a grace period of 20 minutes (as determined by the studio that authored the disc) after which the audio will mute and the error message 3 will be displayed.
-Common "brilliant ideas" on removal or circumvention:
1) Get a DVD with no Cinavia and compare the audio track with a Blu-ray with Cinavia. No. Just no. Comparing a lossy track to a lossless track is pointless, as yes, they ARE in fact different.
2) Find a region where the Blu-ray has been released without Cinavia and compare it to a Blu-ray where there is Cinavia on the same track. This is at least more logical, but, still prohibitively wrong. The problem is you're looking for....."some difference" between the two that you think MIGHT be Cinavia. The algorithm (what I call a transformation) they use combines the Cinavia signal with the actual audio in a unique way. Even if you got REALLY lucky and were able to compare two otherwise identical tracks you'd find how they manipulated the audio. That's a step in the right direction, I suppose, but really only helps with that one disc.
3) Use some kind of audio analyzing techniques to look for the hidden signal. This is akin to looking for a needle in a haystack without knowing what the needle looks like. Was that some random noise or was that the "magic Cinavia signal?" And then what, you filter it out? The problem is that it's a transformation that becomes part of the audio itself. Filtering it out will simply destroy the audio quality. Not so good.
4) But product XYZ has claimed to defeat Cinavia! They make these awesome encrypted backups that trick Cinavia into thinking it's a "trust source". Do we really need to even go over the pitfalls of this one? Good Lord. Ok. First, you made an ENCRYPTED BACKUP. Isn't that a step in the WRONG direction? Just sayin'. Second, your encrypted backup is theoretically on a BD-R/E. The media type isn't exactly....hidden and sure doesn't say BD-ROM or have a ROM mark on it. Who cares, right? Well, you might if you spent all that money backing things up like this to get some mandatory firmware update on your PS3 that tweaks the Cinavia detection to check the media type. WOOPS.
5) I don't know, there's half a dozen other "brilliant ideas" for attacking Cinavia out there from just modifying it enough to break detection to applying filters to who knows what. None of them work. Nor will they.
Here's what these "brilliant ideas" miss. First off, Cinavia's not a static technology. They fully expect it to be broken. They've left enough wiggle room to adapt it going forward. I suspect the reason you haven't seen massive adoption of it yet is because no one's successfully broken version 1. (Warning, that was a PERSONAL opinion). IOW, we may still be in the throws of a market test at the moment. In any case, once some TRULY "brilliant idea" comes along and really defeats Cinavia, then we will probably start the cat and mouse game. See BD+ for an example of how this game plays out.
So how do you TRULY attack Cinavia? Well, none of those awesome solutions address the one real issue....how the hell do you detect Cinavia in the first place? I don't mean by guessing or attempting to pick out a needle that looks like a violin in a haystack. I mean by reverse engineering a player that contains Cinavia and dissect the algorithm it uses to detect the different Cinavia signals. Once you know what it's looking for, it's a bit easier to figure out how to get rid of it. Think of it like this...you have a tumor in your body that you want removed. You've got the guy with a chainsaw who claims that if they cut half your body off they can get rid of the tumor. Or you got the guy with the scalpel who can go in, remove the tumor, and leave the rest in tact. Which solution are you going to pick? These filter ideas or other nonsense might get rid of Cinavia, but, at the cost of your audio quality. UGH. No thanks.
Anyway, these discussions are fun, but, after all these pages not one person has suggested anything useful towards the problem. So, discuss away but understand that until someone (I'm betting on SlySoft ) dissects this thing from a real, practical level, we won't see it defeated.
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lungfish
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6. August 2011 @ 12:50 |
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Although there is now talk of fully legalising the copying of audio and video media for personal use....problem solved!!
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ddp
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6. August 2011 @ 18:09 |
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cdan, yes on not using the reply button.
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cdan
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6. August 2011 @ 19:09 |
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okie dokie
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lungfish
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6. August 2011 @ 19:32 |
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I'm not going to quote....I dare not...but regarding Fredbun's post on Cinavia thought this might be of interest link This is Slysoft's main competition which whilst they mock still provides the only current workable solution
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cdan
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7. August 2011 @ 00:45 |
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Now that i've learned how to BD copy/burn i'm wondering if it's worth the xtra time. A good blu ray player upgrades a dvd to very good quality and takes 1/4 the time...costs less. But I thank LF for all the help.....and i'll pay it forward.
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7. August 2011 @ 07:45 |
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lungfish,, interesting, I saved the link, anyway correct me if I'm wrong, so far it looks like it will only work with ps3.
I spent a good part of last night on the slysoft forum, everybody is in an uproar about this, I also stand corrected, my above post was not quoted from thier staff, it was from a mod, so far from what I could gather, thier staff are trying to calm everybody down, because it renders everybody's anydvdhd useless, I know thier working on it so they say, but it looks like it will require another type of clone other than thier clonedvd2, who knows for now, I'm not a techie.
For now I think what they will try to do is figure something out not just for ps3 but for all players.
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lungfish
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7. August 2011 @ 11:29 |
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Yes just for ps3 at the moment although like everybody else they are working on a universal solution. It does work for ps3 so for the time being it's all good if like me you use your ps3 as a blu-ray player!
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Tracywa
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9. August 2011 @ 21:28 |
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Originally posted by beanus:
Is there any way to create a 1:1 copy with the blu ray? I want to make an exact copy of my original discs and want to keep all of the audio codecs, image quality, special features etc. Is this possible yet?
I saw a lot of blu-ray converter can do 1:1 copy.maybe you can google it.
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cdan
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10. August 2011 @ 11:16 |
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Dvd fab will probably do it but you may need 50g media, which gets expensive.
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lungfish
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10. August 2011 @ 11:40 |
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DvdFab will do a full disc copy as well as movie only (or movie + menus) but yes unless you compress heavily you will need 50GB discs
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16. August 2011 @ 14:28 |
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@Fredbun, a while ago, there was talk of a "Slysoft Player". Software that would play BD files off your HD and you could stream it to you big screen through a HDMI from your HTPC. In this way, cinavia would be defeated
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lungfish
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16. August 2011 @ 14:51 |
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PowerDvd 9.0 will play blu-ray files direct from disc or from hard drive
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cdan
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16. August 2011 @ 19:33 |
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After burning a Rio bd and playing...i'm getting some pixel distortions. I burned a 2nd one in case I had some bad media....same thing. Ideas?...plus, took forever to burn...an hr each time.
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lungfish
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16. August 2011 @ 20:35 |
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Sounds like a problem with the rip. Was it movie only, what was the compression and did it rip to multiple streams & need muxing? Try and get the least amount of compression possible - I sometimes lose the HD audio for the sake of less video compression as it's far less noticeable unless you have a kickass sound system. Try running it through TSMuxer even if no muxing required as it will sometimes pick up and correct small errors like overlapping frames (similar to processing dvd files with VOBBlanker if you've ever used that excellent bit of software). Another test would be to playback the files direct on your pc to see if it still distorts in which case it would definitely be the rip that was dodgy. Don't know if you are using dvdfab but there was a recent update a few days ago which included a few tweaks to the VSO burning engine which might help??
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cdan
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16. August 2011 @ 21:16 |
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I'm using DVDfab and muxed before burning. Maybe i'll try one more and ditch the hd audio. I'm doing 'priest' now....w/cineva which fab says it can remove....we'll see about that.
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17. August 2011 @ 08:42 |
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Originally posted by iluvendo:
@Fredbun, a while ago, there was talk of a "Slysoft Player". Software that would play BD files off your HD and you could stream it to you big screen through a HDMI from your HTPC. In this way, cinavia would be defeated
I have not heard of that, but I will check into it, thanks for that info.
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cdan
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18. August 2011 @ 17:22 |
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I burned 'Priest' 2 times... first time using the "create protected disc" to disable cinavia, not sure how that's supposed to work. It hit 'ok' and let it do..whatever it does, when it finished it said to put in a bd disc which I did. It burned and said finished. Put it in the panasonic bd player....won't play. 2nd time: didn't check the "protected disc", just ripped , remuxed and burned...plays fine but has someone narrating everything that's happening...wtf? What to try next?
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