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Microsoft likely to raise Xbox Live price, says Pachter
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 19 October, 2009
Wedbush Morgan videogame industry analyst Michael Pachter has made some more interesting comments this week on GameTrailer's Bonus Round, stating that Microsoft is ready to move on from PC gaming, and that the company will eventually raise the price of Xbox Live Gold subscriptions.
"Microsoft wants you to never play a game again on your PC and play everything on your 360," says Pachter. ... [ read the full article ]
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20. October 2009 @ 08:30 |
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Well all looks like your hooked. This is pure speculation, and has resulted in a lot of free advertising for him.
Stop taking the bait AD
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20. October 2009 @ 08:56 |
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Originally posted by jookycola:
Originally posted by Se7ven:
i can't see paying more than the 50 USD per year i own both and i can say that live is a better service,dont get me wrong PSN is good but live is better. you really get what you pay for.but with that being said even i would stop playing live if they hike the price.
A better service? Please explain. How is Live better than PSN when they do the same exact thing, and perform just as well? Do you own both or are you just a Live Subscriber making a one sided observation? I own both and i don't see a difference in performance at all. Only i can see is, one i'm paying for and one i'm not. Do you think just because you pay for Live you are automatically getting a better service? Just curious.
I own both and the differences are pretty obvious. Live has the following that PSN does not: -
1. Cross-game chat
2. 6 communication channels that you can switch between at any time
3. A party mode for up to 8 players
4. A proper invites/join system that actually works
5. Private voice chat
6. Voice messaging
7. A reputation system to easily ignore/prefer other players globally
8. Neflix streaming (if you live in the US)
9. A reporting system for reporting abuse via the console
10. Demos of every single downloadable game and far more downloadable games to choose from
11. You can see what games your friends are playing and exactly what they are doing in the game
12. You can access high score leaderboards though the dashboard without even having to start the game
13. Windows Live Messenger support, so you can chat to anyone using a device capable of running that
14. The 1 Vs. 100 game with real prizes
15. The ability to create your own games with XNA Games Studio and submit them for sale on Live
16. DLC that's cheaper than it is on PSN and available earlier
17. The ability to log in with more than one gamertag at a time and use more than one headset at a time online
18. Inside Xbox
19. The ability to join a session in progress (game specific on PSN)
And soon Live will have full Twitter, Last.fm and Facebook integration, Sky TV available (in the UK only I think) and full 1080p instant streaming video rentals via Zune Video Marketplace.
It's also how seamless Live is compared to PSN. For example, Killzone 2 had to get a patch just so you could invite people from your friends list to play a game. In Operation Flashpoint on the PS3 you have to type in your friends PSN ID in order to invite them. It's much easier to communicate on Live as you have far more options, it's easier to set up multiplayer games and get into them, Live has more content, DLC, downloadable games (all with demos). PSN is bare bones in comparison. It gives you basic online play and if you're lucky, open voice chat that works, although hardly anyone talks when I go into multiplayer games on my PS3, probably because Sony don't bundle a mic in with the console.
Anyway, to say they're both the same is total rubbish!
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20. October 2009 @ 09:03 |
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i agree 100%.
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20. October 2009 @ 09:18 |
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Xbox Live has a great range of features, but what I like about it is the consistency. You never think "oh, this game doesn't have that", cos everything works in the same way from game to game. On the PS3 there are still games without trophies. There are older titles with online multiplayer that don't even have voice chat. Also, the party chat is a big plus on the 360, cos if you're in a racing game with friends for example, where you don't have to communicate as a team in order to play the game (like you might do with a shooter), you can chat, swear, have a laugh - you can do what you like without bothering any of the other players. Cross-game chat is awesome too, cos if I'm in a single player game and a mate comes online, I can instantly chat to him no matter what he's doing. Also, if your mates are in a party, you can just highlight the party and press a single button to join it, then you're all chatting together and you can move from game to game and stay as a group.
Another plus that Live has is game patches. They download in seconds and there's only ever 1 to download - the latest patch. Sometimes you buy a PS3 game after it's been out for a while, put it in, sit through the forced install, and then you're prompted to download multiple patches that can add up to a couple of hundred MB and PSN can be slow as shit sometimes.
Anyways, I can't believe that anyone who has used both systems for a decent amount of time would say that PSN and Live are the same. PSN has improved since the PS3 first came out, but it's still lagging way behind Xbox Live and even if they add features like cross-game chat and so on, they're going to need to make them work in the same seamless way that they work on Live.
As for the thread title, Pachter is always making crazy predictions. Natal launching at $50 because it's "just a camera" was his last one, even though it contains a processor and so on, yet he thinks Sony's wand will cost twice as much. He also said that this will be the last generation of games console on an episode of the Bonus Round on GametrailersTV. It seems like it's quite easy to be a video games analyst. I wouldn't mind getting paid just to make things up and hope they come true!
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20. October 2009 @ 09:23 |
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I'm not sure about other markets, but Microsoft has been blasting away the "XBOX Live for only $3.00 a month" (or something similar) everywhere lately, would seem to be a bad marketing campaign if there was a plan to up it, making all those ads obsolete.
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20. October 2009 @ 09:44 |
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I could see MS offering a subscription with more bells and whistles than gold. While the idea of "not" upgrading to the next tier would be fine for most users, others would fall victim to a barrage of advertising schemes. Eventually a gold subscription would be known as the middle ground kind of like a pro console.
The same people who claim the elite is superior to the pro "because it's black" and has double the hard drive space will snatch up the new service and an endless barrage of mine is better than yours "because" will ensue.
MS isn't going to force anyone to upgrade they are going to let you upgrade if you want... the chattering tweens will sell this new service for MS.
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20. October 2009 @ 09:46 |
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Originally posted by jookycola:
Originally posted by Se7ven:
1. Cross-game chat
2. 6 communication channels that you can switch between at any time
3. A party mode for up to 8 players
4. A proper invites/join system that actually works
5. Private voice chat
6. Voice messaging
7. A reputation system to easily ignore/prefer other players globally
8. Neflix streaming (if you live in the US)
9. A reporting system for reporting abuse via the console
10. Demos of every single downloadable game and far more downloadable games to choose from
11. You can see what games your friends are playing and exactly what they are doing in the game
12. You can access high score leaderboards though the dashboard without even having to start the game
13. Windows Live Messenger support, so you can chat to anyone using a device capable of running that
14. The 1 Vs. 100 game with real prizes
15. The ability to create your own games with XNA Games Studio and submit them for sale on Live
16. DLC that's cheaper than it is on PSN and available earlier
17. The ability to log in with more than one gamertag at a time and use more than one headset at a time online
18. Inside Xbox
19. The ability to join a session in progress (game specific on PSN)
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1. Agreed but a firmware update should allow it on PSN though it should have already been included.
2 & 3. I don't know what those are, haven't used it
4. If it doesn't work for you then there's something wrong. Works fine for me and everyone I talk to and play with.
5. PSN has it
6. Agreed
7. PSN has trophies but gamerscore IS easier to see
8. PSN has it's own video service which works fine, brand names don't matter.
9. I think PSN has it but not too sure, agreed though.
10. Agreed but PSN has a lot of PS1 games to choose from, not to mention the backwards compatibility to PS1 is included on ALL consoles
11 - 15. Agreed
16. Available earlier? Maybe but cheaper? PSN has it in money and MS has it in points. Convert it and it's the same.
17 - 19. Agreed.
I still can't see myself paying $50/year for XBL. I'm not a hardcore gamer, just want to play COD here and there.
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20. October 2009 @ 10:00 |
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Funksoulb, I in no way meant to offend you by saying that they both have their benefits. Some of the things that you list, the psn can do, some it cant. Most points can be argued. I did have XBL but no longer do. Not because of the $50. At the time I did not mind paying it. I just believe that I am in the majority that plays online with games like COD MW. There is no difference online between the two. MS or Sony does not hoist the games. XBL and PSN do not prevent Lag or contribute to Lag in games. All of the other stuff that XBL and PSN offer does not persuade me one way or the other. To say that they are the Same in all aspects would not be correct. To say that they are the same on what matters would be. (for me)
Once again, I don?t thing Patcher knows what he is talking about. He makes crazy predictions all of the time. Like Nostradamus, if you make enough predictions; you will be correct sometimes.
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20. October 2009 @ 10:07 |
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Originally posted by jookycola:
Originally posted by Se7ven:
i can't see paying more than the 50 USD per year i own both and i can say that live is a better service,dont get me wrong PSN is good but live is better. you really get what you pay for.but with that being said even i would stop playing live if they hike the price.
A better service? Please explain. How is Live better than PSN when they do the same exact thing, and perform just as well? Do you own both or are you just a Live Subscriber making a one sided observation? I own both and i don't see a difference in performance at all. Only i can see is, one i'm paying for and one i'm not. Do you think just because you pay for Live you are automatically getting a better service? Just curious.
I own both and the differences are pretty obvious. Live has the following that PSN does not: -
1. Cross-game chat
2. 6 communication channels that you can switch between at any time
3. A party mode for up to 8 players
4. A proper invites/join system that actually works
5. Private voice chat
6. Voice messaging
7. A reputation system to easily ignore/prefer other players globally
8. Neflix streaming (if you live in the US)
9. A reporting system for reporting abuse via the console
10. Demos of every single downloadable game and far more downloadable games to choose from
11. You can see what games your friends are playing and exactly what they are doing in the game
12. You can access high score leaderboards though the dashboard without even having to start the game
13. Windows Live Messenger support, so you can chat to anyone using a device capable of running that
14. The 1 Vs. 100 game with real prizes
15. The ability to create your own games with XNA Games Studio and submit them for sale on Live
16. DLC that's cheaper than it is on PSN and available earlier
17. The ability to log in with more than one gamertag at a time and use more than one headset at a time online
18. Inside Xbox
19. The ability to join a session in progress (game specific on PSN)
And soon Live will have full Twitter, Last.fm and Facebook integration, Sky TV available (in the UK only I think) and full 1080p instant streaming video rentals via Zune Video Marketplace.
It's also how seamless Live is compared to PSN. For example, Killzone 2 had to get a patch just so you could invite people from your friends list to play a game. In Operation Flashpoint on the PS3 you have to type in your friends PSN ID in order to invite them. It's much easier to communicate on Live as you have far more options, it's easier to set up multiplayer games and get into them, Live has more content, DLC, downloadable games (all with demos). PSN is bare bones in comparison. It gives you basic online play and if you're lucky, open voice chat that works, although hardly anyone talks when I go into multiplayer games on my PS3, probably because Sony don't bundle a mic in with the console.
Anyway, to say they're both the same is total rubbish!
Most of those features that you mention, the PS3 doesn't have them because of stupid Developers like EA, not Sony. PS3's system is more integrated with games where as the 360 is seperated, which is why (example) the ingame XMB doesn't work with like 5% of games because it can't satisfy every single game. It's the developer's job to implement these things, and if they don't it's tough luck for us.
If 360 has a demo of a game, so does the PS3, no? Demos are a waste of space anyways, especially on the 360 (my 20GB hdd has I think less then 1GB left with two games installed to it). PSN also has video services so that doesn't really matter. Twitter, Facebook, (I don't know about last.fm) that's what the web browser is for. PS3 also has Youtube, even Afterdawn through the web browser lol
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20. October 2009 @ 10:28 |
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Originally posted by glassd:
Funksoulb, I in no way meant to offend you by saying that they both have their benefits. Some of the things that you list, the psn can do, some it cant.
PSN can't do any of the things I listed. I've owned a PS3 and 360 for a long time, so I know what they're both capable of.
Originally posted by Morreale:
Most of those features that you mention, the PS3 doesn't have them because of stupid Developers like EA, not Sony.
And you know this, how? Because of some dumb rumour started by an anonymous poster on N4G's forums! If Sony had implemented the features from the start and told developers that they had to be in games, then PSN might be close to where Live is at now.
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No. The 360 literally has a demo for every downloadable game, because they're mandatory. They have to be released on the day the full game is available too. Less than a third of the downloadable games on PSN have demos and sometimes you have to wait a few weeks before a demo comes out (the Fat Princess demo, for example). That's why I spend more money on games downloaded from Live - because I can always try them first.
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Twitter, Facebook, (I don't know about last.fm) that's what the web browser is for.
But those services are not integrated. You have to fire up a separate browser application, browse to the sites, then exit the application again. This is from Joystiq's preview of the upcoming dashboard update on the 360, regarding how Facebook works: -
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The most surprisingly well-executed addition to the Xbox experience comes through Facebook. Critics are quick to point out that Facebook can be accessed readily from almost any other device, whether it be a mobile phone or a PC. While much of Facebook's core functionality is replicated on the Xbox, Microsoft's app significantly streamlines and improves the experience, especially when browsing photo albums. Whereas the dot com site is plagued by a sluggish AJAX design, the Xbox app loads photos and galleries instantly, making it much faster and easier to browse through your friend's pics. On the Facebook website, you'll see ads clutter the screen as you browse individual photos. On the Xbox, however, each photo gets the full-screen treatment, with captions minimally presented at the top of the screen. For those that use Facebook as their primary way of sharing photos, using an Xbox will be hands-down the best way of presenting them.
If I want to browse sites using a web browser, I'll just do it from my PC.
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4. If it doesn't work for you then there's something wrong. Works fine for me and everyone I talk to and play with.
I'm talking about consistency. I don't want to have to wait for games to be patched, just so I have the ability to invite people from my own friends list (as in Killzone 2) and I don't want to have to type in a PSN ID manually to invite someone (as in Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising).
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So if we're both playing an online multiplayer game, I can open a private voice channel to you that's separate from the game's voice chat channel and I can switch between them whenever I like? I can do this even if we're playing different games? PSN doesn't have those features mate.
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8. PSN has it's own video service which works fine, brand names don't matter.
Not in the UK it doesn't. Even when we get the video store later this year (supposedly) there will be no full 1080p instant streaming videos like there will be on Live after the next update. You have to download the full movie first. The 360 has had a regular store where you can download movies for years.
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10. Agreed but PSN has a lot of PS1 games to choose from, not to mention the backwards compatibility to PS1 is included on ALL consoles
Xbox Live has Xbox games to choose from. Backwards compatibility with last-gen games is available on all 360s. If you buy a PS3 now, the only backwards compatibility you get is with games from 2 generations ago. Xbox Live also has a store section for user-created indie games and for full Xbox 360 titles. The PS3 has no such equivalents, although it does have 1 or two full PS3 titles for download (Burnout, for example).
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16. Available earlier? Maybe but cheaper? PSN has it in money and MS has it in points. Convert it and it's the same.
Here's a couple of examples.
Call of Duty WAW Map packs 1-3: -
PSN - £7.99 each
Live - 800 MS Points each (£6.80 if bought through Live and as cheap as £5.70 if you buy a pre-paid card)
Big Surf Island add-on for Burnout Paradise: -
PSN - £9.99
Live - 1,000 MS Points (£8.50 if bought through Live)
Pretty much any 800 MS Point (£6.80) game or piece of content is £7.99 on PSN. If you buy pre-paid cards for the 360, you can get 2100 points for about £15 which makes an 800 point game or piece of DLC £5.70, which is £2.29 cheaper than PSN. If you buy lots of DLC and games, as I do, then the price difference between PSN and Live actually negates the 50p a week cost of Live. I bought all 3 COD:WAW map packs and saved about £6.50 on the PSN prices, which is enough to pay for 3 months of Xbox Live Gold.
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Not a single thing listed remotely matters to me. I did not use them when i had XBL and will not use them when the PSN gets them. I just want to be able to play online and talk to the team that i am playing with. I can do that on both systems.
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Originally posted by glassd:
Not a single thing listed remotely matters to me. I did not use them when i had XBL and will not use them when the PSN gets them. I just want to be able to play online and talk to the team that i am playing with. I can do that on both systems.
The claim I was responding to was that there is no difference between the two services. There's a big difference, whether you take advantage of those features or not. All PSN gives you in terms of online multiplayer is a fairly patchy invites system and open voice chat in the games that actually have voice chat (several older online multiplayer games don't). If that's all you need, then fine, but that doesn't make both services the same.
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We definitely agree that they are not the same. XBL does offer more. The MORE just does not matter to me. The PS3 offers the things that I want for free. Yes, some old PS3 games did not have voice chat. Does not mater any more as we are playing new games with the exception of COD MW, I still play that. XBL was definitely worth the $50 before PS3 came along because we had no choice but to pay for it. There just is not enough difference between online to justify a cost. XBL was great, I shot at people and missed, people shot at me and hit me. Same thing happens on PSN.
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1. Cross-game chat
- I can get an e-mail if I care to talk to someone from another game. My choice to ignore it and keep playing what I am playing if I so choose rather than be disturbed by another call.
2. 6 communication channels that you can switch between at any time
- Same as above
3. A party mode for up to 8 players
- Not sure what this matters, it's not an XBL feature and that's what we're talking about here. PS3 supports 4 players. And 270+ online at the same time, on the same screen with the new game MAG. Might want to check it out before bragging about 8 player co-op.
4. A proper invites/join system that actually works
-The PSN invite system works...I have no idea what you are talking about. Feel free to elaborate. This is a worthless misinformed jab.
5. Private voice chat
- PSN allows you to video, voice, and text chat. PSN makes up for it with private video chat. And Party Video chat for up to 6 people, you can even video chat with a $5 eye toy from your PS2 if you want. So sorry, if it's so advanced that it's past voice chat. And you CAN voice chat on PS3 just enter the chat room with a Bluetooth headset and no webcam and you?ll be heard, not seen.. Just another pointless misinformed jab.
6. Voice messaging
- I have a phone for that?.pointless misinformed jab.
7. A reputation system to easily ignore/prefer other players globally
- PSN has this too?. pointless misinformed jab. What are we up to 5 of these so far?
8. Neflix streaming (if you live in the US)
- PS3 owners have Netflix too, it's called Blu-Ray rentals. Netflix IS NOT free on XBL. You not only have to pay for a Netflix subscription, you also have to pay your $50 subscription to XBL to enjoy the streaming movies. And they are not even HD. So in the end you may have Netflix streaming movies and believe that is better than PSN...but you're also paying double for the service and not even getting HD quality. Fail.
So far a semi pointless misinformed jab. But since you?re paying double for less features here I?ll let you off lightly. PSN also allows you to rent or buy 1080p HD movies via download.
9. A reporting system for reporting abuse via the console
- PSN has this it's called Block. It's pretty simple you just hit the block icon. Is that so difficult? Just another huge pointless misinformed FAIL.
10. Demos of every single downloadable game and far more downloadable games to choose from
- I?ll give you this, you might have that beat, but I have not personally counted how many games either has. I doubt you have either, so really that's more speculation than truth. But Xbox has been around a bit longer so I?ll let you have that.
11. You can see what games your friends are playing and exactly what they are doing in the game
- PSN does that too. Yet again another pointless misinformed jab
12. You can access high score leaderboards though the dashboard without even having to start the game
- I don't care about this feature even on my own 360. i can see where my friends are so that's all i care about.
13. Windows Live Messenger support, so you can chat to anyone using a device capable of running that.
- And really? how many times have you seriously used this? And really? how many devices support it? Exactly. MSN messenger was the first thing i deleted off my PC. It sucks everyone uses AIM or Yahoo anyway They are the industry standard. A MEGA fail. Almost not even worth listing.
14. The 1 Vs. 100 game with real prizes.
- Don't care. Does this help my copy of Call of Duty play better on Live than it does on PSN? I believe this is the question I asked in my first post. What makes Live better than PSN when they do the same exact thing. This is a game, not a network perk, and it?s only for those who care to play it. That does not make the Live ?Network? better than the PS ?Network?
15. The ability to create your own games with XNA Games Studio and submit them for sale on Live
- Again don't care, that?s a games argument, not a ?network is better because? argument. This does not help my copy of Call of Duty play better on Live than it does on PSN?so?yeah, a we bit of pointless-ness.
16. DLC that's cheaper than it is on PSN and available earlier
- Not true, and not always.
My suggestion here is know more about console specs and the business before you make such pointless misinformed jabs. Cross platform games are developed faster for 360 since the 360 is just Xbox 1 pumped up. So the Dev kit is pretty much the same familiar kit they?ve been using for a decade. And since they run at 720p they usually make the 360 game first then make additional graphical improvment tweaks to the games so it can take advantage of PS3?s 1080 native rez. So yeah the game comes out first on 360 because it?s not as advanced. I'm not sure I'd want to brag about that.
17. The ability to log in with more than one gamertag at a time and use more than one headset at a time online
- Seriously, who does this? And how does this make my copy of prototype run better on Live than it does on PSN? next.
18. Inside Xbox
-PlayStaion Qore. Next.
19. The ability to join a session in progress (game specific on PSN)
- Um, yeah...that's game specific on XBL too...otherwise, how would you access the game already in session? Again worthless line of misinformation.
...It's also how seamless Live is compared to PSN.
- that's one sided opinion not fact. Both are very seamless.
...For example, Killzone 2 had to get a patch just so you could invite people from your friends list to play a game.
- So what you are saying is it's patched and works fine now. So what's the point of brining up a fault that doesn't exsist any longer?
...Anyway, to say they're both the same is total rubbish!
I'll tell you what is total rubbish...Your entire list.
It has 1 or maybe 2 genuine improvements that matter. And neither is worth the $50 premium over the PSN. If you like all those little perks that you?ll probably never use. Fine. But when it comes to online experience I like to load my game go online and play my friends or people I never met and have it be a smooth and flawless experience. And like I said?and what you have not been able to debunk with this worthless bloated list. Is HOW Live is better than PSN when they do the same thing.
Claiming Live is better, and when asked how? Instead of explaining it you list ancillary things that mean nothing. or outdated complaints about games that have been long fixed and improved. Worthless features that do not improve GAME PLAY over another consoles network therefore validating the $50 premium over PSN. You didn?t answer my question, you listed me a worthless 360Live! commercial.
If you think paying $50 annually for ancillary things like download mini games, full games, demos, downloadable content, watch movies, Twitter, and Facebook integration is worth it then that?s fine, but you can do all those exact same things as well on the PSN for 100% free! And STILL won?t make the Live! ?Network? do anything better than the PSN ?Network?.
And a quick math lesson for you. With the Netflix streaming feature attached to your Live subscription you?re actually paying an additional $108 dollars or more depending on your plan.
$50 (XBL) + $108 (Netflix one out-at-a-time plan @ $9 a month, their cheapest plan)
$50 + $108 = $158 a year for a Xbox Live! Membership with streaming Netflix. So that is not an improvement in network just an expensive add-on.
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This is why I really didn't want to get into this conversation. Some PS3 fanboy will always come along and say "it doesn't have cross-game chat, but I can send an email which is just the same!" or "I have a phone to talk to people so why do I need voice chat!?" or "Inside Xbox is free and updated several times a week, while Qore costs money, is only available in America and isn't updated several times a week, but they're just the same!!". If they have no rebuttal to a particular point, they'll say "well I don't care about this feature anyway!!" as if that makes it pointless to every single person on the planet. LOL. It's always the same.
I know that there are plenty of PS3 owners capable of having sensible conversations and looking at the facts, but it's pathetic when certain fanboys have to use the most ridiculously flawed arguments just because they can't accept that one online system isn't as good as another. Haha! Your post was an amusing read, although you do sound rather angry about this whole issue and when you use terms like "MEGA FAIL", I just feel like I'm talking to some angst-ridden teenager. You just made yourself look like a fool by trying to write off all of Live's advantages over PSN.
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The New Xbox experience live is a rip off of home i hate to tell you. Home has been in development far longer than MS's cheap rip off.
LOL. Yeah, the 360 dashboard is just like HOME! You really know your stuff!
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I'm a PS3 fanboy? and I'm angry?
Explain that if you will. I'm interested in how you can read moods through text.
I own both systems and asked a very simple question...what makes one's network better?
I like when a valid question is asked to 360 FANBOYS, their only answer is that the person questioning them must be a PS3 fanboy starting sh*t. It was a very mature, "sensible" and valid question. And your reply just reinforces that I'm right. You want facts. and i provided them. Instead of accepting it you try to belittle me, label me a fanboy, and claim I'm angry about it. I could equally make arguments for the 360. But in this case it's not valid, they don't offer anything that makes their games run better online than Sony's service does for free.
Belittling me, calling me a fanboy and making excuses won't make your point more right. Notice i didn't need to belittle you to convey my message. That's called "mature conversation"
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20. October 2009 @ 13:39 |
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Originally posted by jookycola:
I'm a PS3 fanboy? and I'm angry?
Explain that if you will. I'm interested in how you can read moods through text.
I own both systems and asked a very simple question...what makes one's network better?
I like when a valid question is asked to 360 FANBOYS, their only answer is that the person questioning them must be a PS3 fanboy starting sh*t. It was a very mature, "sensible" and valid question. And your reply just reinforces that I'm right. You want facts. and i provided them. Instead of accepting it you try to belittle me, label me a fanboy, and claim I'm angry about it. I could equally make arguments for the 360. But in this case it's not valid, they don't offer anything that makes their games run better online than Sony's service does for free.
Belittling me, calling me a fanboy and making excuses won't make your point more right. Notice i didn't need to belittle you to convey my message. That's called "mature conversation"
What would be the point in responding to your childish and factually incorrect breakdown of the points I raised? Look at the desperate tone in your posts and the way you don't even understand the features you're discussing - the NXE/HOME comment above shows that, as does your comment about Live's party system, which is absolutely nothing to do with 8 player co-op. Whatever I say doesn't matter. You're not interested in facts. You're interested in desperately defending Sony, as you appear to do across a number of forums where you regularly troll about things you clearly know nothing about. LOL! PSN doesn't have a single one of the features I mentioned. Not a single one, and it doesn't matter how many times you respond or try and use email as a replacement for cross-game chat, or a phone as a replacement for voicemail messaging through Live, LOL, nothing will change that.
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20. October 2009 @ 13:50 |
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What would be the point in responding to your childish and factually incorrect breakdown of the points I raised? Look at the desperate tone in your posts and the way you don't even understand the features you're discussing - the NXE/HOME comment above shows that, as does your comment about Live's party system, which is absolutely nothing to do with 8 player co-op. Whatever I say doesn't matter. You're not interested in facts. You're interested in desperately defending Sony, as you appear to do across a number of forums where you regularly troll about things you clearly know nothing about. LOL! PSN doesn't have a single one of the features I mentioned. Not a single one, and it doesn't matter how many times you respond or try and use email as a replacement for cross-game chat, or a phone as a replacement for voicemail messaging through Live, LOL, nothing will change that.
See, more belittling and personal attacks, and bringing in an quote from me from an entirely different thread from years ago that is not only out of context, but also has nothing to do with THIS topic.
You do know it's against forum rules to get off topic and go on a personal attack against someone. That rule is in place for people like you that can't have a mature conversation about a topic. And just post to attack peoples points and character.
Notice i don't need to edit my post to keep adding rubbish insults to it? That's because i don't need to insult you to make a point. You only prove me more right with every post you angrily peck out.
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20. October 2009 @ 13:53 |
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We could go on all day/week. You think Tweeter, cross chat, Netflix etc is great and worth paying for and use that as an excuse to Pay MS. I use the PS3 to play games on and off line. I covered. FOR FREE. I use the PS3 to watch UpScaled DVD?s, BluRay AND NETFLIX (streamed from the PC). PSN has Home with Chat and free games, XBL has nothing like it. I think all of this is great especially when it is FREE. We are not fanboys trying to justify paying for what others get for free. Just like us saying that we don?t care about twitter and creating games etc, you can say that you don?t care about Home, 1080p streamed movies etc? The difference is we get the service for free.
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Nice rant funksoulb. Let's try maturity for a change.
So when I play Call of Duty: World at War on my PS3 online. How does the lack of:
8 player co-op
NXE
voicemail messaging
cross-game chat
Make my online game experience worse than if i had paid $50 to play it on my 360?
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Here's a response to your list in an earlier post: -
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1. Cross-game chat
- I can get an e-mail.......
So.........it doesn't have cross-game chat then! lol.
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2. 6 communication channels that you can switch between at any time
- Same as above
So it doesn't have this either!
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3. A party mode for up to 8 players
- Not sure what this matters, it's not an XBL feature and that's what we're talking about here. PS3 supports 4 players. And 270+ online at the same time, on the same screen with the new game MAG. Might want to check it out before bragging about 8 player co-op.
The party mode enables 8 people to join together as a group. It has nothing to do with co-op. The PS3 has no such equivalent, so it doesn't have this either!
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4. A proper invites/join system that actually works
-The PSN invite system works...I have no idea what you are talking about. Feel free to elaborate. This is a worthless misinformed jab.
I did elaborate. No games on Xbox Live have been released where you can't even invite a friend, like Killzone 2, and no games on Xbox Live require you to manually type in the name of the friend you want to invite, like Operation Flashpoint. Looks like you're wrong again!
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5. Private voice chat
- PSN allows you to video, voice, and text chat. PSN makes up for it with private video chat.
So......erm.....it doesn't have private voice chat then!
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6. Voice messaging
- I have a phone for that….pointless misinformed jab.
How am I misinformed? I said that Live has it and PSN doesn't. PSN doesn't which is why you have to use a phone. Wrong again! lol.
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7. A reputation system to easily ignore/prefer other players globally
- PSN has this too…. pointless misinformed jab. What are we up to 5 of these so far?
PSN does NOT have a reputation system. Wrong again.
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8. Neflix streaming (if you live in the US)
- PS3 owners have Netflix too, it's called Blu-Ray rentals.
I specifically said Netflix streaming. PSN doesn't have this. Wrong again.
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9. A reporting system for reporting abuse via the console
- PSN has this it's called Block.
Blocking a user clearly isn't the same as a system for reporting abusive players is it? Not very good at this debating thing are you? You can report abusive players on the PS3, but you can't do it through the console. You have to report it through Sony's website. Wrong again!
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10. Demos of every single downloadable game and far more downloadable games to choose from
- I’ll give you this
You should give me it, but then you should have given me all of the things on this list as PSN doesn't have any of them.
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11. You can see what games your friends are playing and exactly what they are doing in the game
- PSN does that too. Yet again another pointless misinformed jab
Actually, no it doesn't. It only tells you what game a person is playing. It doesn't say exactly what they're doing, for example "Playing GTAIV deathmatch with 17 minutes to go". Wrong again!
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12. You can access high score leaderboards though the dashboard without even having to start the game
- I don't care about this feature even on my own 360.
You may not care about it, but PSN doesn't have it. lol.
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14. The 1 Vs. 100 game with real prizes.
- Don't care.
Same as above.
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15. The ability to create your own games with XNA Games Studio and submit them for sale on Live
- Again don't care
Same as above.
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16. DLC that's cheaper than it is on PSN and available earlier
- Not true, and not always.
How can it be "not true" and "not always" both at the same time? I gave examples that prove my point. Wrong again!
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17. The ability to log in with more than one gamertag at a time and use more than one headset at a time online
- Seriously, who does this?
Me! If I'm playing with a mate who's in the room online, we can both log in with our own gamertags, so we can both earn achievements and we can both chat to the other people we're playing with. PSN doesn't have it though, so I can't do it on the PS3 as you can only log in with one ID at a time and use one mic. Wrong again.
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18. Inside Xbox
-PlayStaion Qore. Next.
Inside Xbox = free, available worldwide and updated pretty much daily
Qore = NOT free, available only in America and released once per month
Wrong again!
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19. The ability to join a session in progress (game specific on PSN)
- Um, yeah...that's game specific on XBL too...otherwise, how would you access the game already in session?
It's not game specific on XBL. It's situation specific. It's game specific on PSN. Wrong again!
0/19. Try harder next time!
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And since they run at 720p they usually make the 360 game first then make additional graphical improvment tweaks to the games so it can take advantage of PS3’s 1080 native rez. So yeah the game comes out first on 360 because it’s not as advanced. I'm not sure I'd want to brag about that.
This is absolutely false. You'll find a list of native game resolutions here: -
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46241
Notice how the 360 either matches the PS3 or does better? There are several games where the PS3 version runs at a lower res, but none where it runs at a higher res. Wrong again. As for overall cross-platform game performance, check this out: -
http://misterslimm.wordpress.com/360-vs-...ce-off-results/
It shows the results of Eurogamer's Face-Off articles, IGN's Head-to-Heads, and Lens of Truth's Head2Heads. Notice how the 360 nearly always ends up with the better version of the game? Funny that! Wrong again!
You must just love being wrong, cos you haven't said anything right yet. LOL.
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20. October 2009 @ 14:01 |
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Here let's try this again.
Originally posted by jookycola:
Nice rant funksoulb. Let's try maturity for a change.
So when I play Call of Duty: World at War on my PS3 online. How does the lack of:
8 player co-op
NXE
voicemail messaging
cross-game chat
Make my online game experience worse than if i had paid $50 to play it on my 360?
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I'm not sure that native resolutions is the topic here. Pretty sure the topic of conversation is Xbox live raising the cost of subscriptions. And someone commented that they think the network is better than Sony's free one. I asked how so? How does paying $50 make my online game play experience better than it is free elsewhere?
So far all I've gotten is insults, bad spelling, been called a fanboy, petty immature rebuttals, been told about every feature the 360 has that has nothing to do with my question, told my facts are untrue, and out of context misquotes from me from this and other threads that i've made from my 6 years on Afterdawn and have nothing to do with this exact topic.
I'm pretty sure i have not received a simple straight forward mature and educated answer yet to my question. Hence why I'm asking it again.
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Originally posted by jookycola:
I'm not sure that native resolutions is the topic here. Pretty sure the topic of conversation is Xbox live raising the cost of subscriptions. And someone commented that they think the network is better than Sony's free on. I asked how so? So far all I've gotten is insults, petty immature rebuttals, Misquotes from me from this and other threads that have nothing to do with this topic.
I'm pretty sure i have not received a straight forward mature and educated answer yet to my question.
I've listed 19 things that PSN doesn't have. That should make it pretty clear to you that saying "there's no difference between them" is untrue. The fact that you actually put time into responding in the way you did - saying email is the same as cross-game chat, for example, LOL - shows to me that a. you don't know what you're talking about, and b. you simply cannot accept when you're wrong. You are wrong. You were wrong 19 times out of 19. That's not a good success rate, so I suggest you just give it up now. There is nothing you can say to change this, because I have only posted facts.
Now you're shifting the goalposts because you know that you can't respond to the facts I've posted. Instead of continuing to argue that email is the same as cross-game chat etc., lol, you are now trying to ask what benefits these features actually have in order to try and write them all of. It's a classic fanboy tactic, but I've already said more than enough to prove you wrong, so just accept that and move on. :)
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I'm pretty sure i have not received a simple straight forward mature and educated answer yet to my question. Hence why I'm asking it again.
Let's see....what was your original question.......
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And someone commented that they think the network is better than Sony's free one. I asked how so?
And I can refer you to my first response in this thread which answered your question in very simple terms, with examples where necessary. Your question has already been answered in a quite comprehensive way. Xbox Live is a lot better than PSN for the reasons given. If PSN is good enough for you, that's fine, but that's not what you originally asked.
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