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article published on 28 July, 2009
Ten major movie studios have joined the Swedish legal-threat frenzy and have sued The Pirate Bay. The studios, including Disney, Warner Bros, Sony Pictures and Columbia Pictures have demanded a court order in Stockholm, Sweden for TPB to cease and desist helping its users to share movies whose copyrights are owned by the studios in question.
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varnull
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30. July 2009 @ 12:55 |
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But people who run a website which hosts no content except some user and staff generated text files? .. aren't they allowed to make a living?
I'm using drD's arguments here see?
I found a press shot of some mpFIaa lawyers.. wanna see?
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30. July 2009 @ 13:08 |
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the IP nazis only have one goal zippy the complete and utter destruction of the free exchange of information on the internet. they are control freaks, hoarders and complete morons.
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30. July 2009 @ 13:12 |
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Originally posted by varnull:
But people who run a website which hosts no content except some user and staff generated text files? .. aren't they allowed to make a living?
I'm using drD's arguments here see?
Again if the sites main, 2nd or even 3rd goal/service is torrents then no not off other peoples stuff.
I don't see AD supporting torrents directly as in hosting trackers and what not, what I see it indirectly supporting it via information and news, and indirect support via software loopholes.
There is a difference in direct and indirect, cracks might use some IP directly in tiny bits and pieces so much so that's its "indirect".
Sharing the whole disc image would be "direct".
Shearing a freeware program to rip or mount is "indirect".
Shearing the whole medium/medium is "direct".
Profit is something that only the IP owners should have exclusivity to but distribution itself should always be in the whims of the public.
This is something neither side rarely bothers with because it tends to be an all or nothing argument, I don't see it in such contrast. We could easily have both (think legal sharing host services where donations taken directly through them for cost the one who starts up and pays for some of the hosting cost runs the site normally but the donations are funneled directly to cost when costs are met there is an allowed 25% overflow and costs are caped and will not take more donations until it drops under 90% from 125%, the service takes 3-5% for operating fees and of that as much as 60% is funneled into organized media this way the people get their free stuff and the monoliftic god of old gets passfied with some tributes that can get back tot eh artists if they are tinatous enough) we could have a system that would allow for free shearing either by the system I mentioned or via a type of non profit where both gov and corp can go over excess revenue(25-50% over maintenance cost) but its an all or nothing illogical world of dog eat dog, why would the corporate empire share when it can walk upon the masses and still make money.
My point, even anarchy requires order and limits, without it its just another dog eat dog world no better than the last.
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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2. August 2009 @ 03:55 |
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its 0s and 1s, data, viewable art. why shouldnt we all have free access to as much as that as possible.
like much of the law, it supports private property and the right to ownership of property, so unless something within the law changes that, the studios will 'defend' their legal right to property as long as the system allows it.
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2. August 2009 @ 04:26 |
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Originally posted by krohm:
its 0s and 1s, data, viewable art. why shouldnt we all have free access to as much as that as possible.
like much of the law, it supports private property and the right to ownership of property, so unless something within the law changes that, the studios will 'defend' their legal right to property as long as the system allows it.
Actually no taxes make it so one dose not really own property, also with eminent domain the government or business dose not need to even pay for the property they steal.
eminent domain would not be so bad if whomever shelled out 100 to 1 ratio on current value there of. In other words while you may steal someones land you make it so they have a worry free life nearly any place else.
Tho I see where you are going IP=physical property.
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2. August 2009 @ 04:36 |
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what are you talking about, eminent domain according to wikipedia is
'inherent power of the state to seize a citizen's private property, expropriate property, or seize a citizen's rights in property'...
'The term "condemnation" is used to describe the formal act of the exercise of the power of eminent domain to transfer title to the property from its private owner to the government.'
whats that got to do with a private company defending their right to property.
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Originally posted by krohm:
what are you talking about, eminent domain according to wikipedia is
'inherent power of the state to seize a citizen's private property, expropriate property, or seize a citizen's rights in property'...
'The term "condemnation" is used to describe the formal act of the exercise of the power of eminent domain to transfer title to the property from its private owner to the government.'
whats that got to do with a private company defending their right to property.
In this day of corporate rule its used far more by business kneadleing local government to put up condominiums and other high end swag over putting up damns and running highways.
And IP/CP is nothing more than thought, an idea and no better than a patent a short term exclusive right to profit off the idea. The trouble is you have conglomerated power who seeks out to ensure that it remains exclusive forever. Because of that mere distribution should be the right of the public. But distribution and profit are two entirely separate things. If you do not make money from it there is no crime, its that simple IMO.
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krohm
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2. August 2009 @ 07:57 |
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'distribution should be the right of the public'
what? why shouldnt the distribution be up to the owner of the property.
'But distribution and profit are two entirely separate things. If you do not make money from it there is no crime, its that simple IMO.'
what?
so if i decide to steal a painting you have created, from your house, but i dont make money off it, i instead hang it in my outside toilet, then it isnt a crime, because i havent made money off it?
are you talking about the abolition of the right to property. obviously there are a lot of problems with this. principally, the one that comes to mind for me, is that humans tend to want things
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2. August 2009 @ 15:33 |
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Ok it seems I have carelessly fragmented the conversation 3 ways, let me try and deal with each question.
Originally posted by krohm:
'distribution should be the right of the public'
what? why shouldnt the distribution be up to the owner of the property.
What I am getting at its bad to block media/information from the populace on grounds of if they can afford it or not, it smacks of the aristocratic era where everything was "protected" from the masses and nobility were treated as gods, corporate is treated as gods in this age, the distribution of it should be unrestricted up to what is illegal(child porn,ect) and selling it without a license even to the point you may not make a profit off it even to pay for maintenance.
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'But distribution and profit are two entirely separate things. If you do not make money from it there is no crime, its that simple IMO.'
what?
so if i decide to steal a painting you have created, from your house, but i dont make money off it, i instead hang it in my outside toilet, then it isnt a crime, because i havent made money off it?
Tell me how many tracker/file shearing sites could make it without getting money from advertisement,direct profit off unlicensed goods or
donations?
You see what you do is make so people can share all they want but organizing it is imposable without joining with the media industry selling legit stuff to fund the sever cost of shearing stuff.
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are you talking about the abolition of the right to property. obviously there are a lot of problems with this. principally, the one that comes to mind for me, is that humans tend to want things.
This is a 2 part drool fest on my part, first off we do not really own property(land/building) we are essentially renting it from government, and even if we pay tributes regularly business through government can take your land away to put up high rent/vaule property. Government taking your land for real infrastructure needs is at least worthy of further discussion but putting up a high rise or some BS..not so much.
Now abolishing Copy right has some merit you would decimate conglomerated media and push media back to being local for a time(because everyone locally will rush to make money off it somehow) from the ashes you'll have more smaller business, guilds if you will, that produce media from music to writing to anything else. Because they can balance cost and profit better than most smaller outfits.
Would it make for a better world..maybe maybe not you'd have more copying but you'd have more refining of media, someone makes a story someone else takes it and makes it better,ect but would things be better, probably not, more of the same but different.
IMO CP/IP even patents should focus on profit, if it's not makeing money then there is nothing you can do about it because nothing is truly being violated. The more restrict everything with inane rules the less innovation and quality information is made and spread.
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krohm
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3. August 2009 @ 02:49 |
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you're an idiot
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3. August 2009 @ 14:29 |
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Originally posted by krohm:
you're an idiot
Dare to be one, its a rather eye opening experience. =^^=
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3. August 2009 @ 22:13 |
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dare not to be one, its a longer more arduous journey; and a lot more eye opening
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Originally posted by krohm:
dare not to be one, its a longer more arduous journey; and a lot more eye opening
No really , its normal not to be one. It's normal to be "smart" and not think, to not break the mold, follow the leader and be part of the supposed greater good.
Sorry but I am a moronic fool who sees more justice and truth in things the rules say are illegal and wrong, after all societies supposed truth and order live and die upon its whims and nothing is more petty and fickle than man..... but perhaps those who claim to be "normal". Fools at least admit they are foolish and flawed.
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3. August 2009 @ 23:28 |
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'nothing is more petty and fickle than man'
do you compose verse and keep it under your pillow?
sounds like what an angst ridden teenager who hasnt thought through anything would say. aka 'shit sucks'
how bout you look into some of what you talk about instead of touting off like a crack pot ranting fool. which is what you sound like. in
mid sentance you change what you are talking about. doesnt seem like you know what you are talking about just that you see the world as having structures and systems in place you dont like. ie. a first year conspiracy theorist
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Originally posted by krohm:
'nothing is more petty and fickle than man'
do you compose verse and keep it under your pillow?
sounds like what an angst ridden teenager who hasnt thought through anything would say. aka 'shit sucks'
how bout you look into some of what you talk about instead of touting off like a crack pot ranting fool. which is what you sound like. in
mid sentance you change what you are talking about. doesnt seem like you know what you are talking about just that you see the world as having structures and systems in place you dont like. ie. a first year conspiracy theorist
Only the willing bother to think for themselves and comprehend things difficult to understand. You don't want to think, rather you would play the easy role the normal role, bash someone on how they say things rather than taking the time to read what is said.
I can answer your questions, with answers I believe, in if you bother to ask them, rather than trolling for the lulz.
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While I am at it, thinking the world should only allow "normal", "contributing" members of society should be the only ones to have anything is a Utopian draconia.
Really if people no longer have the right to share anything then we should just make it everything is copy righted or patented indefinably so that CP owners can rape the CP creators and public in general...
And before you start is dose not matter if the creators are are not paid for shearing as sharing in itself drives interest for the works in question if the CP owners can not sale it or sale it poorly through collusion and rackets at least the works in question become well known and not forgotten because no one liked the price/quality issue.
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4. August 2009 @ 00:25 |
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im not bashing you on how you've said things but what you've said, reread.
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Originally posted by krohm:
im not bashing you on how you've said things but what you've said, reread.
oh really?
Let me get out my zippy speak translator
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No really , its normal not to be one. It's normal to be "smart" and not think, to not break the mold, follow the leader and be part of the supposed greater good.
This should be rather easy to digest, people are to busy with their day to day lives to care about anything this is why Hitler came to power this is why dictatorships happen, we lose our rights when we do nothing because the current order of things is "not so bad"....
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Sorry but I am a moronic fool
Stupid is as stupid dose after all =>>=
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who sees more justice and truth in things the rules say are illegal and wrong,
See above, and not the stupid is/dose comment above that dangit!!!! :P
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after all societies supposed truth and order live and die upon its whims and nothing is more petty and fickle than man.
"Truth" and law is what society says it be, even if it is wrong and unjust.
Man is a fickle creature that changes his mind,then changes it again, forgets his own honor and moral center for whatever the easy road may be.In this case taking lobbying money from the media mafia and restricting our rights more.
There's more to it than that, as gov gets bigger it has to have more rules to sustain itself, everything has to be regulated and controlled so revenue can be bleed from it so that our nobles in office(politicians) can make more money off the people.
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.... but perhaps those who claim to be "normal". Fools at least admit they are foolish and flawed.
This is an obvious dig at those that think they are normal or better than others, IE you. :P
I dun mind playing the fool as long as I can take others out with me.....its the only way I get dates don't'cha know. :P
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Zippy speak(incoherent at times,nonsensical word "fun") brought to you by Dyslexia, Dysphasia and ADD.
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4. August 2009 @ 01:07 |
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im far from normal and there is nothing inheritantly better about me than anyone else. nor do i think im better than anyone else. however, i do think many people are idiots and make statements that are unthoughtout drivel, ie practically everything you say.
'forgets his own honor and moral center'
sounds like a subjective perspective on morality. GREAT. just what the world needs. maybe you should start a religion that can take a stranglehold over humanity for thousands of years with that perspective. oh wait thats been done all over the world already. does that make you with the power structures or against them? who knows these days, guess i havent really thought that far.
less complaining about the systems of oppression and go and try and determine why they are in place in the first place. some would argue they are in place on the basis of this 'moral centre' you espouse.
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4. August 2009 @ 01:20 |
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you're quoting yourself constantly rather than replying to what ive said. seems to be a running trend
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Originally posted by krohm:
you're quoting yourself constantly rather than replying to what ive said. seems to be a running trend
I believe your first question was, you could not understand what I said. Ergo I have broken down the context of what I said into easier to digest bits.
Its up to you to ignore them or not.
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4. August 2009 @ 01:57 |
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i understood very clearly. see above statement
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Originally posted by krohm:
i understood very clearly. see above statement
the end
Well played!
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