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Secret ACTA Internet chapter leaked: Global DMCA and 'three strikes'
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article published on 4 November, 2009
The highly secretive Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement, which has been drafted under non-disclosure agreements and given to different nations with watermarks in case they choose to "leak" it, has had parts of its Internet chapter leaked this week, and is already facing massive criticism from mostly everyone who has read its scary bylines.
Under the new ACTA, the United States and ... [ read the full article ]
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9. November 2009 @ 05:04 |
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SoulGLOW - Text speak/lazy typing Ps i obviously mean your other posts too, not just the ones in this thread), call it what you will, i'm afraid you're so busy objecting to a simple request to type properly that you completely misinterpreted my comment on the Patriot Act. Please read it again.
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9. November 2009 @ 12:29 |
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Originally posted by Ghostdog:
The writer of the article lists no source?
I´ve been reading AD for a long time, and I trust it as a source of information - but that doesn´t mean you should start ignoring basic journalistic principles. Not with news articles as sensitive as this.
Funny thing is actually did list a source, it was just a little bit hidden as a link through "bylines."
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9. November 2009 @ 12:57 |
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This is precisely why we end up losing! People don't remain focussed on the issues. People start bickering over trivial things that have little or no bearing on the issues at hand. Maybe you all should have more restraint. I've read some intelligent posts here. I'm an American! I'm not a Democrat, Republican, Indepent or otherwise with any political affiliation. We should all remember to do what is best for AMERICA and stop choosing to be a drone for any political party. Remember...AMERICA is an experiment...we are unique in history...we will make mistakes...common sense will correct them....faith in the American people(each other) will keep us moving forward. I don't presume to know everything, although I'm an educated man. Everything requires balance, i.e. book sense vs. common sense.... too much of one and not enough of the other is always a recipe for unrest. Sugar vs. Salt and so on...you get the idea. We are an experiment that's working! God Bless America!!!
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9. November 2009 @ 13:32 |
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After living in the US for thirty years desperately hoping and actively cooperating within the system that it would work, I decided to return to Europe because I truly believed that it was not working any longer. Europe is a much more predictable model of society and a bit boring at times. I still honestly hope America's experiment comes through. My kids live there and the American experiment remains close to my heart. Unfortunately its obsession with consumption, sports and entertainment, its complete loss of compassion for others, its political grandstanding and bullying, its religious and self-righteous pomposity have made me very cynical. Sorry.
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9. November 2009 @ 20:39 |
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all I can say...is 2 things
I need to check my email for the newsletter more often...
and WOW...that is scary stuff..there is too much big brother as it is..
It takes away a basic right to defend yourself when accused!
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9. November 2009 @ 22:26 |
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I see 3 common trains of thought here (as an empowered and educated civil rights campaigner)
1: It's a political topic, so there are going to be political comments posted.
2: Regardless of people trying to say otherwise it IS an american funded, backed and pushed idea. It's fine for them to experiment on their own citizens, but get the hell out of my back yard unless you want a big comeback.
3: It involves the removal of very fundamental rights in a totally undemocratic manner in a method which sees no gain for society, individuals or the future.
It is a very bad idea.. deny people information and knowledge and you do in effect create a system of thought slaves. If you disagree go away, read 1984, look around you and think, then come back with comments ;)
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10. November 2009 @ 05:29 |
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Originally posted by SoulGLOW:
now now while I appreciate the forward thinking concern for my well being i was merely alluding to the FACT that nothings gonna change until we put some real fear into our gov't. Everybody's so damn scared but nobody wants to fight. i read somewhere in the last few days that we fight by voting people out of office. i laughed not cuz its funny but cuz its so ironic how uneducated the educated are. George Washington didnt fight tyranny by voting...he FOUGHT!!! They walked in FEET of snow with no shoes for gods sake!! And it was still snowing. Just to intercept some German mercs that king george had hired to put down our founding fathers for standin up to his bullying. They kicked thier ass cuz of that sacrifice. We need to kick some ass now so these bitches know we mean business...otherwise we might as well just knowingly and willingly give ourselves over to foreign powers as slaves. we are practically already at that point now.
And i'm not just talkin Democrats here either. If you go against my Constitution i got a problem with you.
The Govt. has a way of dealing with people who form large armies against it. It ususally involves a S.W.A.T. team with specialized firearms including assault rifles, submachine guns, shotguns, carbines, riot control agents, stun grenades, and high-powered rifles for snipers. They have specialized equipment including heavy body armor, entry tools, armored vehicles, advanced night vision optics, and motion detectors for covertly determining the positions of hostages or hostage takers inside of an enclosed structure. That's more than George Washington was up against. And it would be viewed more like Timothy McVeigh-ish than George Washington-ish.
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siber
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10. November 2009 @ 05:49 |
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emugamer, how sad... I'm glad I'm looking from the outside in. Sieg Heil!
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10. November 2009 @ 08:25 |
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Originally posted by siber:
emugamer, how sad... I'm glad I'm looking from the outside in. Sieg Heil!
Dont get too complacient. If we allow it to work here without fighting back, exactly how long do you think it will be before YOUR government tries it in YOUR country?
In battles like this, there are NO country boundries.....just the victors and the vanquished
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10. November 2009 @ 08:58 |
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Well said Daniel_1.
I am surprised how naive some of you are. Most elected officials would spit a baby and roast it if you gave them enough money. They are completely amoral. It is up to them to spin how they are saving their country by doing their act. The media has figured they lose trillions of dollars a year due to piracy. Mind you, only a mentally deranged entity would believe they are losing more then the total GNP of a country but that is what they believe.
They must be spending billions of dollars on a one-time fix to change the laws in all countries of the world. GB is actually way ahead on the US in that regard.
Only a TOTAL moron would believe one party is corrupt that their major party is not corrupt. In this world no matter the country, if you have enough money you can make your own justice any way you like. Because most politicians are crooks no matter where you go.
Once these laws are in place they will be nearly impossible to remove.
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10. November 2009 @ 11:00 |
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what is to think is that is there really any way to make difference.the is whatever we say...there is corruption and immorality everywhere...you cannot point a single place that is devoid of all this.
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10. November 2009 @ 11:10 |
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Originally posted by akai10:
there is corruption and immorality everywhere...you cannot point a single place that is devoid of all this.
Well that's certainly true of your signature :). If you don't want to pay Afterdawn to advertise ~ http://www.afterdawn.com/general/adprices.cfm then you'll need to remove the advertising from your signature. Forum Rules are in mine.
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10. November 2009 @ 11:36 |
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well sorry about that.I did not know..what should I do..completely remove it or any modification will do...please suggest
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10. November 2009 @ 11:42 |
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You're serious ?. I was very clear. It needs removing.
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10. November 2009 @ 11:46 |
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ok..actually I did not get it clear that signatures were also not allowed..
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10. November 2009 @ 14:37 |
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Originally posted by siber:
After living in the US for thirty years desperately hoping and actively cooperating within the system that it would work, I decided to return to Europe because I truly believed that it was not working any longer. Europe is a much more predictable model of society and a bit boring at times. I still honestly hope America's experiment comes through. My kids live there and the American experiment remains close to my heart. Unfortunately its obsession with consumption, sports and entertainment, its complete loss of compassion for others, its political grandstanding and bullying, its religious and self-righteous pomposity have made me very cynical. Sorry.
After asking several people what they plan on doing, they courteously answered you, when asked what YOU plan on doing you throw up a spiel about how bad it is in the USA, from the outside looking in yet. I figured you were just another windbag sitting here whining and chirping but prepared to do little else. Appears I'm right. You'd make a good politician, very adept at evading a direct question. So Mr. Siber people like you are the reason things are what they are. "American Experiment", hogwash, after over 200 years it's more than an experiment. It's an ongoing success with bumps along the way, most damaging the direct result of European Wars, such as the Midddle East and the Balkans, leftovers of your "empires" that you leave us to clean up. Sure, we have our problems, but we also have the freedom to do something about it. So sit there and jump in other's conversations, trying to make us out as foolish while those of us who REALLY care do what we can to right the wrongs as we see them. After 30 years here you probabbly went back to the "old country" to retire, don't hand me that crap about how bad it is in the US and how you just had to return to Europe after 30 years. What a joke. Sounds like you should have stayed there, and how can you stand to turn you back on your kids and leave them alone in such a godforsaken country as this?? Hogwash.
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10. November 2009 @ 15:01 |
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Wow, this 'debate' is really going all over, I absolutely love it! That being said the long of the short of it is:
Failure to get ACTA shot down will eventually hurt everyone not just the US. EVERYONE!
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10. November 2009 @ 15:05 |
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Originally posted by Mez:
Well said Daniel_1.
I am surprised how naive some of you are. Most elected officials would spit a baby and roast it if you gave them enough money. They are completely amoral. It is up to them to spin how they are saving their country by doing their act. The media has figured they lose trillions of dollars a year due to piracy. Mind you, only a mentally deranged entity would believe they are losing more then the total GNP of a country but that is what they believe.
They must be spending billions of dollars on a one-time fix to change the laws in all countries of the world. GB is actually way ahead on the US in that regard.
Only a TOTAL moron would believe one party is corrupt that their major party is not corrupt. In this world no matter the country, if you have enough money you can make your own justice any way you like. Because most politicians are crooks no matter where you go.
Once these laws are in place they will be nearly impossible to remove.
Mez
You are absolutely correct, anybody that believes a politician from either party isn't busy stuffing their pockets like a squirrel before winter is out of touch with reality. They may start out with good intentions, but once they become a part of the DC party circuit, they are bought and paid for. For that reason, vote them out of office once they start mis-representing the very people they took an oath for and is their sworn duty (meaningless these days) to represent.
We need to reach out and do our part to stop this bill from becoming the law of the land, and I don't think it will. The squeeky wheel gets the most grease, it's time to be heard. I've called and written both state and local politicians, prepared to do anything else to get the point accross. Haven't seen any petitions or the like. Why not a referendum?? That would be the end of it. Don't know how to enact one, but California has had several. That is Democracy in it's purest form. Let the people speak, instead of their so-called representatives.
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10. November 2009 @ 15:23 |
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mcmenace, the obvious anger in your tone suggests I hit a nerve. When you hit a nerve, there usually is something that hit a target. I have learned to accept criticism without going into a frenzy, so I do accept your criticism a lot easier now than when I was working my tail off in the US. It was a good experience. My daughter - born and raised in North Carolina - has recently moved to Europe, while my son lives with his European wife in the US. I visit him as often as I can and I hope he and his family do well. I look forward to all the "things you plan on doing" to resolve ACTA and political injustice in the US. If you do make even a little progress in those matters, I will be the first one to thank you. Believe me, I wouldn't be on this forum if I didn't care more about those matters than about Football, the price of gas and the cause of death of Michael Jackson.
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10. November 2009 @ 17:16 |
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Originally posted by creaky:
SoulGLOW - Text speak/lazy typing Ps i obviously mean your other posts too, not just the ones in this thread), call it what you will, i'm afraid you're so busy objecting to a simple request to type properly that you completely misinterpreted my comment on the Patriot Act. Please read it again.
Creaky... Moderate.. Don't be a typing teacher. Or... shall we say, Dictator.
You have a tendency on these forums to point out peoples spelling and typing flaws more than you actually moderate them. Please do us all a favor, and stick to the task that you were given. Moderate, don't spout out useless triviality, it HIGHLY detracts from the thread, and makes you come off as an @$$.
I also have to agree with YOBUZZB, AD looses good people over trivial things stated, or good people wind up not adding to the conversation for a reason.
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10. November 2009 @ 17:31 |
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I know exactly how i come across on the forums and as i often state, i don't like it at all myself. But it's a lesser evil than leaving the place to be full of incoherence, foul language, spam, flaming etc etc.
I would rather correct everything quietly, however people wouldn't learn from their mistakes. If such time a staff member was to tell me they don't like something, that would be fine by me, however in this instance you have added nothing to the conversation with your comment and i already know how my comments look/come across.
So let's please allow the topic to get back on track.
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10. November 2009 @ 17:33 |
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How sad. We first went from one person claiming that it was not "his" party member that started this and then getting a bit "touched" when it was shown that it was. Then we have shown that this will not stop in just once country and will, like the blob from the 1950's horror movie; continue to grow and devoure anything in its path that threatens it including your rights and freedoms. And instead of trying to stop this in it's tracks and let our supposedly elected leaders know we wont stand for this; it has devolved into personal attacks on postings and spellings and how people type with the required "my country is better and it cannot happen here" to the absolute disgusting "America is bad so I am leaving" threat instead of staying and fighting and trying to make it better.
I am glad that my grandfather did not live to see this day as it would have killed him if old age had not got him first. If this is the result of "enlightened" people, then I fear for the future of the human race.
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10. November 2009 @ 18:07 |
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"Absolutely disgusting 'America is disgusting and I'm leaving'"...Lots of anger there...
"Unfortunately its obsession with consumption, sports and entertainment, its complete loss of compassion for others, its political grandstanding and bullying, its religious and self-righteous pomposity have made me very cynical." This was not a personal attack but, to my own regret, the way I truly feel.
I am not yet likely to change my mind when some of you accuse all your own politicians of being worthless and unreliable, of proposing a referendum (free of lobbying and bribing?) or just 'voting them out of office'...Who will replace them, you think? I guess it's OK to throw stones, launch personal attacks, call people who disagree with you disgusting as long as you are 'from' America and you are blessed by God. As I said earlier, this doesn't mean I don't respect you for standing up, "fighting and trying to make it better". Just don't make it all be talk and hot air in the end.
The 1st defeat for ACTA hasn't come out of America but out of the European Parlament. It's now up to you, insults and yelling won't do.
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10. November 2009 @ 18:34 |
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Originally posted by siber:
mcmenace, the obvious anger in your tone suggests I hit a nerve. When you hit a nerve, there usually is something that hit a target. I have learned to accept criticism without going into a frenzy, so I do accept your criticism a lot easier now than when I was working my tail off in the US. It was a good experience. My daughter - born and raised in North Carolina - has recently moved to Europe, while my son lives with his European wife in the US. I visit him as often as I can and I hope he and his family do well. I look forward to all the "things you plan on doing" to resolve ACTA and political injustice in the US. If you do make even a little progress in those matters, I will be the first one to thank you. Believe me, I wouldn't be on this forum if I didn't care more about those matters than about Football, the price of gas and the cause of death of Michael Jackson.
No anger, just that you had the nerve to ask people what they were doing about the issue, they answered you. Then when asked yourself, you evaded the question, and still are. The issue is not you and your family, it's ACTA. If you "care so much" why do you just sit here and look for arguements??? Again, with the parenthesis around things you plan on doing like it's some kind of joke, after I already told you once when you asked. Sad to see you obviously plan on doing nothing more than whining here, you've had ample opportunity to make a statement and failed. You will be one of the first too whine if it passes and the last to try and stop it.
I see you are still trying to make jokes out of my suggestions. At least I use my mind for things that mean something, other than sitting around blowing hot air and arguing with anybody that answers you, and sticking your mouth in other's conversations, always with a negative or opposite statement. You seem to have a lot of time on your hands, why don't you put it to use?
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10. November 2009 @ 21:41 |
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Originally posted by siber:
"Absolutely disgusting 'America is disgusting and I'm leaving'"...Lots of anger there...
"Unfortunately its obsession with consumption, sports and entertainment, its complete loss of compassion for others, its political grandstanding and bullying, its religious and self-righteous pomposity have made me very cynical." This was not a personal attack but, to my own regret, the way I truly feel.
I am not yet likely to change my mind when some of you accuse all your own politicians of being worthless and unreliable, of proposing a referendum (free of lobbying and bribing?) or just 'voting them out of office'...Who will replace them, you think? I guess it's OK to throw stones, launch personal attacks, call people who disagree with you disgusting as long as you are 'from' America and you are blessed by God. As I said earlier, this doesn't mean I don't respect you for standing up, "fighting and trying to make it better". Just don't make it all be talk and hot air in the end.
The 1st defeat for ACTA hasn't come out of America but out of the European Parlament. It's now up to you, insults and yelling won't do.
Sorry Siber, the first defeat of this came when the author was told this bill would never be heard in committee nor allowed outside of committee, and that was three days after he placed it. So I think we got you there. But the author has stated that he will attach this to something that cannot be not authorized, our only hope is to keep watch on him and make sure that this never happens. That is what I am doing now. That also does not mean that the EU cannot enact this in some form and make all of its member states enact it as well.
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