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Sony, Panasonic introduce Blu-ray discs with 33.4GB layers
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article published on 2 January, 2010
Panasonic and Sony have introduced the new i-MLSE (Maximum Likelihood Sequence Estimation) method this week, increasing the per-layer storage capacity of Blu-ray discs from the current 25GB to 33.4GB.
Tech-On! says the new method can use existing Blu-ray equipment, a "blue-violet laser diode with a 405 nm wavelength, and an object lens with a numeric aperture (NA) of 0.85."
i-MLSE ... [ read the full article ]
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3. January 2010 @ 15:57 |
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Originally posted by Toshibot:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
I like it with the DVD more portability. ^^
Portability is of no concern to me. When I watch a movie I watch it either on my 50 inch LCD or on my front projector setup - with 7.1 or 5.1 lossless surround. Blu-ray gives the best results. When I'm traveling I don't want to watch movies on a 3.5 inch screen - I read a book.
Most travel screens are 7-15 but whatever.... :P
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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3. January 2010 @ 16:02 |
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Most travel screens are 7-15 but whatever.... :P
Still too small for my taste.
For me it's a Blu-ray disc on a 42 inch or larger screen with lossless surround sound.
When I'm on the road I'd rather read a book.
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3. January 2010 @ 16:09 |
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Originally posted by Toshibot:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Most travel screens are 7-15 but whatever.... :P
Still too small for my taste.
For me it's a Blu-ray disc on a 42 inch or larger screen with lossless surround sound.
When I'm on the road I'd rather read a book.
Well there are those LCD glasses that look like a 60 inch screen...
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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3. January 2010 @ 16:32 |
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So Blu-Ray movie's are going to be $40 Dollers now? $70 for a PS3 Game
well there $30 now and you add space and spend all this money on the new tech, they have to cost more.
If they don't raise the Price That just shows you how over priced they already are.
It's like 10 dollers to go see a movie, Avatar Just made how much Profit off of that alone Then there going to Charge $20 $30 a Movie there out of there Minds How many times can you watch the same movie.
Don't Forget about Regular DVD's Tee-shirts McDonald"s toys etc.
Maybe They shouldn't Pay an actor Million's of Dollars for Nothing.
I Haven't seen a good Movie in years.
33.4GB layers Is that really Needed
I beat Most PS3 games in an Hour or Two.
There is no way they are using up all that space.
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3. January 2010 @ 18:04 |
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Originally posted by NINVIN21:
So Blu-Ray movie's are going to be $40 Dollers now?
Another MSRP guy.
Repeat after me children:
"No one pays MSRP for Blu-ray movies anymore."
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3. January 2010 @ 18:25 |
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Blu-rays were never $40 anyways, even at launch lol
I just paid $18 for District 9 and $15 or so for the Hangover. That's what I would have paid for DVDs a year ago.
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@ domie ~ Exactly.
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3. January 2010 @ 20:45 |
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And this means ................ what?????
Cheaper blank blu-ray discs??
Until Sony/whomever comes up with a more cost effective solution......I just don't see anybody buying into blu-ray recorders.
Maybe this will help because I could sure use a way to back up larger amounts of data to something other than another HDD.
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Sony hopes to give consumers innovative Bluray technology
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Originally posted by scorpNZ:
all dvd's regardless of type are made of poly carb & unless i'm mistaken blu ray are no different so just how much more scratch resistant are they or is that what's written on the packaging..lol..
Scratch test - lost Little Big Planet somewhere in the house. Missing for 2 weeks. Found it upside down in the corner one day. It was caked in dust, had a paw print on it (my greyhound is 85lbs), had some nasty sticky juice on it (probably my 1.5 year old). Either my kids kicked it to the corner or tossed it there, or my dog picked it up, I'll never know. I used my t-shirt and spit to scrub the gunk off and buff clean. Not a single scratch. I analyzed it for 10 minutes trying to get every angle of light on it. I was dumbfounded. With numerous DVD's going through similar scenarios, I can confidently say that they would not have survived.
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Originally posted by scorpNZ:
all dvd's regardless of type are made of poly carb & unless i'm mistaken blu ray are no different so just how much more scratch resistant are they or is that what's written on the packaging..lol..
Scratch test - lost Little Big Planet somewhere in the house. Missing for 2 weeks. Found it upside down in the corner one day. It was caked in dust, had a paw print on it (my greyhound is 85lbs), had some nasty sticky juice on it (probably my 1.5 year old). Either my kids kicked it to the corner or tossed it there, or my dog picked it up, I'll never know. I used my t-shirt and spit to scrub the gunk off and buff clean. Not a single scratch. I analyzed it for 10 minutes trying to get every angle of light on it. I was dumbfounded. With numerous DVD's going through similar scenarios, I can confidently say that they would not have survived.
Actually..............this is quite comforting. Assuming it's true, it would be the first brutal case of a blu-ray going through Hell and high water.
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Originally posted by scorpNZ: all dvd's regardless of type are made of poly carb & unless i'm mistaken blu ray are no different so just how much more scratch resistant are they or is that what's written on the packaging..lol..
Ammm...maybe in kids term would be more "understandable". Iron Man has no super powers, but is pretty darn hard to take the guy down with bullets, or even rockets, even though he is just a man(if according to your analogy,DVDs&Blu Ray are made of the same poly carb, whatever...) . Why? It has a little secret called "armor".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durabis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RN8o9K6O0I&fmt=18
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Originally posted by DVDBack23:
Blu-rays were never $40 anyways, even at launch lol
I just paid $18 for District 9 and $15 or so for the Hangover. That's what I would have paid for DVDs a year ago.
Anything more expensive than FREE is too much for some of these people...esp. if it's also pricey to burn a non-recompressed copy they 'found' somewhere.
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7. January 2010 @ 09:13 |
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
I like it with the DVD more portability. ^^
Portability is of no concern to me. When I watch a movie I watch it either on my 50 inch LCD or on my front projector setup - with 7.1 or 5.1 lossless surround. Blu-ray gives the best results. When I'm traveling I don't want to watch movies on a 3.5 inch screen - I read a book.
Most travel screens are 7-15 but whatever.... :P
Hey, my Touch Pro has a 3.6 inch screen, but it has a nice TV-out cable with it to hook up to TVs in hotel rooms for watching streaming media from my home server. All at 3G speeds without the hassle of crappy hotel wireless.
Also, am I the only one that looked at that graph and wondered what exactly that was supposed to show? It looked like someone's kid made it in 1st grade art class...
Do what you can while its still questionably Legal, before it becomes UNQuestionably ILLegal.
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I really don't care for Blu-Ray. DVD's play just as well on these players due to the upscale video processing. Most of my DVD's also have DTS Sound which I have yet to find on a Blu-ray disc. I don't see any improvment in the picture and the discs are expensive. The recorders are also expensive and forget trying to copy these discs. I really don't understand what the hype is about ?? I use a PS3 so the Blu-ray came with it. I get more enjoyment from the Netflix and Games. Who really needs a movie theater in there house ??
I wish this place has an "Report idiotic post", function.
So?? Some people are satisfied with DVDs and dont have the 50 bucks per movie fee Sony wants.
Sony can get stuffed.
Frys has The Final Destination for $12.99 and bestbuy have a bunch of movies for $9.99 and $14.99 I just bought 28 days later and outbreak for under $22.00
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That's because it's a recession and they are desperately trying to just break even on them before paying landfill tax.
My local wallyworld gave up stocking BD media last year after 0 (yah zero) sales.. they didn't sell ONE film in 18 months. During the same time they sold 3 ps3's.. I like the bloke on the counter.. we always have a chat while I'm waiting for the girl with the yellow stickers to attack the bread.. he's foxy lol.. so somebody out there has at least the capability to play the films, they obviously just don't think £28 is a fair price for a movie compared to £9.99 for the same on dvd.
Nothing like "innovating" pointless upgrades to a doomed format is there.
I'm going to make improvements to the frequency response and playing length of shellac 78 rpm disks.. I'm sure there is a point somewhere ;)
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Originally posted by scum101:
Nothing like "innovating" pointless upgrades to a doomed format is there.
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Nothing like "innovating" pointless upgrades to a doomed format is there.
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Originally posted by scum101:
That's because it's a recession and they are desperately trying to just break even on them before paying landfill tax.
My local wallyworld gave up stocking BD media last year after 0 (yah zero) sales.. they didn't sell ONE film in 18 months. During the same time they sold 3 ps3's.. I like the bloke on the counter.. we always have a chat while I'm waiting for the girl with the yellow stickers to attack the bread.. he's foxy lol.. so somebody out there has at least the capability to play the films, they obviously just don't think £28 is a fair price for a movie compared to £9.99 for the same on dvd.
Nothing like "innovating" pointless upgrades to a doomed format is there.
I'm going to make improvements to the frequency response and playing length of shellac 78 rpm disks.. I'm sure there is a point somewhere ;)
Seriously? They only sold 3 PS3s? They need to just close their doors then...I sold more than that (or rather, I convinced more than 3 people to buy one)...and I don't have a retail store. Based on those numbers, they probably didn't sell more than a dozen DVDs.
Originally posted by emugamer:
Originally posted by scorpNZ:
all dvd's regardless of type are made of poly carb & unless i'm mistaken blu ray are no different so just how much more scratch resistant are they or is that what's written on the packaging..lol..
Scratch test - lost Little Big Planet somewhere in the house. Missing for 2 weeks. Found it upside down in the corner one day. It was caked in dust, had a paw print on it (my greyhound is 85lbs), had some nasty sticky juice on it (probably my 1.5 year old). Either my kids kicked it to the corner or tossed it there, or my dog picked it up, I'll never know. I used my t-shirt and spit to scrub the gunk off and buff clean. Not a single scratch. I analyzed it for 10 minutes trying to get every angle of light on it. I was dumbfounded. With numerous DVD's going through similar scenarios, I can confidently say that they would not have survived.
That's a good test...a while back, I saw a test online where they used steel wool to scratch up a bluray. After much work, they were able to get some small surface scratches, but the disk still played just fine. After watching the new Star Trek movie, I decided that I never wanted to watch it again (great graphics, but terrible plot). So I did my own scratch test...I had no steel wool, so I used some 80grit sandpaper. After a lot of work with it (A LOT OF WORK!!!), the disk looked like it would never play again...but it still played just fine in my PS3. I decided to drag a hacksaw blade across it...it still played, but it did have issues like skipping and pixilation once I did this...so I repeated the hacksaw test a couple more times to make sure that the movie would not play at all.
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Originally posted by scorpNZ:
all dvd's regardless of type are made of poly carb & unless i'm mistaken blu ray are no different so just how much more scratch resistant are they or is that what's written on the packaging..lol..
Scratch test - lost Little Big Planet somewhere in the house. Missing for 2 weeks. Found it upside down in the corner one day. It was caked in dust, had a paw print on it (my greyhound is 85lbs), had some nasty sticky juice on it (probably my 1.5 year old). Either my kids kicked it to the corner or tossed it there, or my dog picked it up, I'll never know. I used my t-shirt and spit to scrub the gunk off and buff clean. Not a single scratch. I analyzed it for 10 minutes trying to get every angle of light on it. I was dumbfounded. With numerous DVD's going through similar scenarios, I can confidently say that they would not have survived.
If I found out that my kids did that they would be the next ones to go flying across the room and ending up on the floor in the corner ... ! DVD's and Blue Rays are way to expensive to be careless with regaurdless of their supposed scratch resistance.
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I'm going to make improvements to the frequency response and playing length of shellac 78 rpm disks.. I'm sure there is a point somewhere ;)
Seriously? They only sold 3 PS3s? They need to just close their doors then...I sold more than that (or rather, I convinced more than 3 people to buy one)...and I don't have a retail store. Based on those numbers, they probably didn't sell more than a dozen DVDs.
Originally posted by emugamer:
Originally posted by scorpNZ:
all dvd's regardless of type are made of poly carb & unless i'm mistaken blu ray are no different so just how much more scratch resistant are they or is that what's written on the packaging..lol..
Scratch test - lost Little Big Planet somewhere in the house. Missing for 2 weeks. Found it upside down in the corner one day. It was caked in dust, had a paw print on it (my greyhound is 85lbs), had some nasty sticky juice on it (probably my 1.5 year old). Either my kids kicked it to the corner or tossed it there, or my dog picked it up, I'll never know. I used my t-shirt and spit to scrub the gunk off and buff clean. Not a single scratch. I analyzed it for 10 minutes trying to get every angle of light on it. I was dumbfounded. With numerous DVD's going through similar scenarios, I can confidently say that they would not have survived.
That's a good test...a while back, I saw a test online where they used steel wool to scratch up a bluray. After much work, they were able to get some small surface scratches, but the disk still played just fine. After watching the new Star Trek movie, I decided that I never wanted to watch it again (great graphics, but terrible plot). So I did my own scratch test...I had no steel wool, so I used some 80grit sandpaper. After a lot of work with it (A LOT OF WORK!!!), the disk looked like it would never play again...but it still played just fine in my PS3. I decided to drag a hacksaw blade across it...it still played, but it did have issues like skipping and pixilation once I did this...so I repeated the hacksaw test a couple more times to make sure that the movie would not play at all.
Wow. That IS hard to believe. You should have ran it through you shredding machine and then collected all the small pieces and put them into you Blue Ray player to see if it might decode a few Bytes .... Hahahahaha ..... I see you have you page file on a separate 320g drive; Also your Boot files on another 320g drive. Should I do that with my laptop and use external drives? What are the advantages? I don't have a Raid array yet ... What would you recommend. Thanks in advance. Rich.
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9. January 2010 @ 15:20 |
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Same old arguments all over again, bluray on 40 inch sets or below shows nothing, actually when you go to 46 inch or better is when you see some difference, plus spending all the extra cash for a lousy upgrade, you can have it, VHS to DVD, now there was an upgrade worth spending money over, DVD to Bluray is a joke.
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Originally posted by FredBun:
bluray on 40 inch sets or below shows nothing
For those who see nothing at 40 inches or below:
Help is on the way.
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Originally posted by FredBun:
Same old arguments all over again, bluray on 40 inch sets or below shows nothing, actually when you go to 46 inch or better is when you see some difference, plus spending all the extra cash for a lousy upgrade, you can have it, VHS to DVD, now there was an upgrade worth spending money over, DVD to Bluray is a joke.
Each to their own Fred... And yes, this same old argument is getting worn out. To say that there is no improvement at all on a 40" screen or less suggests to me that your eyes may not be as discerning as some others.
Besides, Blu-ray isn't just about picture quality. The audio has also been much improved. Even in worse case scenario through older AV equipment, the legacy codecs (Dolby/DTS) are of slightly higher bitrate not to mention the superb offerings of HD audio.
As far as cost vs. value, well that is the decision that only the consumer can make. You obviously have yours but please don't speak on behalf of the World. The point you make about VHS to DVD being a bigger jump than DVD to Blu-ray is somwhat true, but please don't omit the fact that people can still enjoy their DVD collection (albeit in better quality) on a Blu-ray player. No need for the old player to still be hanging around. Could you do this with VHS to DVD? So with this negative you mention, there is an equal positive present.
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Originally posted by Ryu77:
Originally posted by FredBun:
Same old arguments all over again, bluray on 40 inch sets or below shows nothing, actually when you go to 46 inch or better is when you see some difference, plus spending all the extra cash for a lousy upgrade, you can have it, VHS to DVD, now there was an upgrade worth spending money over, DVD to Bluray is a joke.
Each to their own Fred... And yes, this same old argument is getting worn out. To say that there is no improvement at all on a 40" screen or less suggests to me that your eyes may not be as discerning as some others.
Besides, Blu-ray isn't just about picture quality. The audio has also been much improved. Even in worse case scenario through older AV equipment, the legacy codecs (Dolby/DTS) are of slightly higher bitrate not to mention the superb offerings of HD audio.
As far as cost vs. value, well that is the decision that only the consumer can make. You obviously have yours but please don't speak on behalf of the World. The point you make about VHS to DVD being a bigger jump than DVD to Blu-ray is somwhat true, but please don't omit the fact that people can still enjoy their DVD collection (albeit in better quality) on a Blu-ray player. No need for the old player to still be hanging around. Could you do this with VHS to DVD? So with this negative you mention, there is an equal positive present.
The old argument that the upgrade is too expensive is no longer valid.
You can get deals all over the place. Amazon has just dropped prices on players with entry level models from Panasonic and Sony now at less than $130.
With regards to movies, the key is smart shopping and patience. I can get most new releases for $20 or less and most catalog titles for $15 or less. Some of these with the DVD or digital copy or both included. The price gap between DVD and Blu-ray is eroding faster than expected.
Finally, Ryu77's point of backward compatibility with DVD with the added value of upconversion to 1080p is icing on the cake.
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