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Multiple problems with DVD+Rdl playback
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JMW1979
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2. November 2009 @ 15:25 |
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Though I have read the forum rules thoroughly, I sincerely hope that I am not breaking any of them in starting this new thread. I have not found a definitive solution for the problems I am experiencing in any other threads. Anyway, if I have broken any rules, I apologize for starters.
I am new to DVD copying in general. I recently began making backups of DVDs only about a month ago, so my technical knowledge is limited, but I will try to list everything (hardware, media, etc.) I am working with in hopes that someone can give me some direction.
I am still running XP Media Center Edition, though I will probably upgrade to 7 soon. The drive I am using is the HP DVD Writer 1140d. So far the only media I have tried is the Memorex 8x DVD+Rdl, as I was told they were perfectly fine for use by someone who led me to the Free Studio programs. I began using Free DVD Decryptor and Free DVD Video Burner, and all seemed to be fine. I had nothing but "successful" burns running Decryptor and DVD Video Burner at 'High Priority'. When I tried to load any of the burned discs on my computer after burning was complete, they loaded and played fine. Therefore, I put them in cases and stored them away.
Now however, I am finding that only one out of 11 or 12 of them actually plays on any DVD player I have tried them in, and that one skips badly enough that no one would want to watch it.
I should also mention that I used AnyDVD HD and CloneDVD2 to copy one of the DVDs and it is also unreadable in stand-alone DVD players just like the ones using Free Studio programs.
I can watch them in their entirety on my pc, but not on a DVD player, so I am at a loss.
If anyone can give me tips, ideas, or even a step-by-step of what I am doing wrong, I would be eternally grateful.
Thank you!
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2. November 2009 @ 22:48 |
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I should also mention that I used AnyDVD HD and CloneDVD2 to copy one of the DVDs and it is also unreadable in stand-alone DVD players just like the ones using Free Studio programs.
You should have had no trouble making a perfect copy with AnyDVD and clone. It should have played in any player. They work effortlessly with XP. How old is you DVD burner. Are all you are trying is MemorexX8+R dls.You first need to learn to walk rather than run. Can you burn a DVD SL disc and have it play. I'm not much for HP burners. If you insist on using the DL discs then you need different programs. Get ImgBurm @ imgBurn.com(free) and use anyDVD with it.Use Imgburn to rip the file to HHD and then use it to Burn the files to DL and it select the layer break.
To burn DLs in ImgBurn Guide
http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?showtopic=1780
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3. November 2009 @ 01:50 |
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Originally posted by garmoon:
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I should also mention that I used AnyDVD HD and CloneDVD2 to copy one of the DVDs and it is also unreadable in stand-alone DVD players just like the ones using Free Studio programs.
You should have had no trouble making a perfect copy with AnyDVD and clone. It should have played in any player. They work effortlessly with XP. How old is you DVD burner. Are all you are trying is MemorexX8+R dls.You first need to learn to walk rather than run. Can you burn a DVD SL disc and have it play. I'm not much for HP burners. If you insist on using the DL discs then you need different programs. Get ImgBurm @ imgBurn.com(free) and use anyDVD with it.Use Imgburn to rip the file to HHD and then use it to Burn the files to DL and it select the layer break.
To burn DLs in ImgBurn Guide
http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?showtopic=1780
Just to be clear you will use AnyDVD to rip it to the Hard Drive and then burn with Imgburn. Also you may want to think about using a better brand of media. Many regulars around here will tell you Memorex is some of the worst there is.
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3. November 2009 @ 07:46 |
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Just to be more clear. I have had better results with anyDVD running and letting ImgBurn write(build) the ISO to the HHD and then letting it also burn said ISO to the DL.
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JMW1979
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3. November 2009 @ 16:10 |
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In response to your questions garmoon, the HP drive I am using is only a few months old, and if I'm not mistaken there is only one newer model than what I have now. When I checked out the newer model, it listed identical features as the one I currently have, and I was told that HP frequently updates their model numbers and packaging without actually changing any features of their combo drives. I don't know whether that is true or not, but it has seemed to perform well under all circumstances. I have only been using Memorex 8x DVD+Rdl since I began burning, and of course I bought a 50-spindle before getting online and reading some of the bad reviews Memorex gets. I should probably just invest in the more expensive Verbatim discs in the future, but I'm wondering whether it is worthwhile or not to even burn on Memorex for backup purposes now.
Also, it may be that the Free Studio programs at DVDVideoSoft.com are just crap. Free Decryptor and DVD Video Burner go through the process without error time after time, but I realize that doesn't necessarily mean the programs are good ones, and furthermore, it doesn't work on any dvds from a few specific studios (don't know if I should name them here or not).
Single-layer discs have worked fine in the past for me at least with non-copyrighted movies as I had previously never copied any DVDs with copy protection of any sort in them.
I guess what I was hoping for would be the ability to copy an entire disc without quality loss, and avoid cutting out special features, menus, etc., which is why I began using the dual-layered discs, along with the fact that the Free DVD Video Burner from Free Studio required them as it doesn't have the ability to compress the size of the DVD on disc.
I do have a few other questions, if you can help me out.
First, does ripping/burning speed really affect the quality of the disc that's produced?
Is there any reason that I should completely discard the Memorex dls and start over with Verbatim discs?
Finally, are all DVD players generally compatible with the dls, or only more recent generation players?
Thank you for your time and input!
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3. November 2009 @ 18:08 |
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In response to your questions garmoon, the HP drive I am using is only a few months old, and if I'm not mistaken there is only one newer model than what I have now. When I checked out the newer model, it listed identical features as the one I currently have, and I was told that HP frequently updates their model numbers and packaging without actually changing any features of their combo drives. I don't know whether that is true or not, but it has seemed to perform well under all circumstances. I have only been using Memorex 8x DVD+Rdl since I began burning, and of course I bought a 50-spindle before getting online and reading some of the bad reviews Memorex gets. I should probably just invest in the more expensive Verbatim discs in the future, but I'm wondering whether it is worthwhile or not to even burn on Memorex for backup purposes now.
Also, it may be that the Free Studio programs at DVDVideoSoft.com are just crap. Free Decryptor and DVD Video Burner go through the process without error time after time, but I realize that doesn't necessarily mean the programs are good ones, and furthermore, it doesn't work on any dvds from a few specific studios (don't know if I should name them here or not).
Single-layer discs have worked fine in the past for me at least with non-copyrighted movies as I had previously never copied any DVDs with copy protection of any sort in them.
I guess what I was hoping for would be the ability to copy an entire disc without quality loss, and avoid cutting out special features, menus, etc., which is why I began using the dual-layered discs, along with the fact that the Free DVD Video Burner from Free Studio required them as it doesn't have the ability to compress the size of the DVD on disc.
I do have a few other questions, if you can help me out.
First, does ripping/burning speed really affect the quality of the disc that's produced?
Is there any reason that I should completely discard the Memorex dls and start over with Verbatim discs?
Finally, are all DVD players generally compatible with the dls, or only more recent generation players?
Thank you for your time and input!
So you have never compressed a video to fit on a SL disc? Do you own any of the Nero Suites with NeroRecode included? If not download DVD Shrink(free) it will compress the DVD to fit an SL. Recode does the same. Shrink will also rip the older movies with encryptions, but since it is no longer updated it can' do newer movies. Since you also have the IMO best Ripping software AnyDVD, the battle is won. AnyDVD will enable ripping of just about any movie around. Used with Shrink or Recode or several other programs will get you a compressed movie that is almost as good as the DL disk original.
Get Shrink 3.2 here
http://www.softpedia.com/get/CD-DVD-Tool...VD-Shrink.shtml
Output the Shrink files as Video_TS or ISO and burn them with Free ImgBurn mentioned above OR if you do have Nero Shrink can be set to burn with Nero Burning Rom version 7 or earlier automatically. Get some DVD SL discs-Memorex OK but Verbatim or Sony better. And compress a DL original and burn it to a SL. Buy +R disc so they can be bit set to DVD-Roms and they play on all standalone players if you drive has the ability to bit set. We'll get to that later. Baby steps!
Ripping speed is not critical-writing speed is. General rule is burn at half the rated speed of the blanks. until your burner is used to the media it's being fed and it will learn to do better then you can try at those 16X. DLs are problematic at high speeds. Stick to SL until you get it down.
Don't throw away the Memrex DLs. Since you can watch them on your pc then all is not lost. The newer DLs are not the same as the older DLs and older players will have trouble playing them. Buy a$100 upconvert dvd player, but first take them to a friend who might have a newer standalone player to see if they play.
In the end you WILL be able to copy an entire DL disc to a blank DL disc without compression, which seems to be your goal. It's just a lot more expensive when you make a DL coaster instead of a SL one LOL.
DVD Copying Guides
http://www.dvdplusvideo.com/Guides.html
There are many ways and programs to get a burned blank, the above-ones I discussed not the link above- are two of the easier ones. Other people will probably come along and add info. Read it all. Good luck.
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4. November 2009 @ 03:12 |
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Originally posted by JMW1979:
In response to your questions garmoon, the HP drive I am using is only a few months old, and if I'm not mistaken there is only one newer model than what I have now. When I checked out the newer model, it listed identical features as the one I currently have, and I was told that HP frequently updates their model numbers and packaging without actually changing any features of their combo drives. I don't know whether that is true or not, but it has seemed to perform well under all circumstances. I have only been using Memorex 8x DVD+Rdl since I began burning, and of course I bought a 50-spindle before getting online and reading some of the bad reviews Memorex gets. I should probably just invest in the more expensive Verbatim discs in the future, but I'm wondering whether it is worthwhile or not to even burn on Memorex for backup purposes now.
Also, it may be that the Free Studio programs at DVDVideoSoft.com are just crap. Free Decryptor and DVD Video Burner go through the process without error time after time, but I realize that doesn't necessarily mean the programs are good ones, and furthermore, it doesn't work on any dvds from a few specific studios (don't know if I should name them here or not).
Single-layer discs have worked fine in the past for me at least with non-copyrighted movies as I had previously never copied any DVDs with copy protection of any sort in them.
I guess what I was hoping for would be the ability to copy an entire disc without quality loss, and avoid cutting out special features, menus, etc., which is why I began using the dual-layered discs, along with the fact that the Free DVD Video Burner from Free Studio required them as it doesn't have the ability to compress the size of the DVD on disc.
I do have a few other questions, if you can help me out.
First, does ripping/burning speed really affect the quality of the disc that's produced?
Is there any reason that I should completely discard the Memorex dls and start over with Verbatim discs?
Finally, are all DVD players generally compatible with the dls, or only more recent generation players?
Thank you for your time and input!
Please read , especially the answers by JoeRyan
http://forums.afterdawn.com/t.cfm/f-47/m...im_r_dl-799483/
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/774840
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JMW1979
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8. November 2009 @ 00:29 |
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originally posted by garmoon:
So you have never compressed a video to fit on a SL disc? Do you own any of the Nero Suites with NeroRecode included? If not download DVD Shrink(free) it will compress the DVD to fit an SL. Recode does the same. Shrink will also rip the older movies with encryptions, but since it is no longer updated it can' do newer movies. Since you also have the IMO best Ripping software AnyDVD, the battle is won. AnyDVD will enable ripping of just about any movie around. Used with Shrink or Recode or several other programs will get you a compressed movie that is almost as good as the DL disk original.
Get Shrink 3.2 here
http://www.softpedia.com/get/CD-DVD-Tool...VD-Shrink.shtml
Output the Shrink files as Video_TS or ISO and burn them with Free ImgBurn mentioned above OR if you do have Nero Shrink can be set to burn with Nero Burning Rom version 7 or earlier automatically. Get some DVD SL discs-Memorex OK but Verbatim or Sony better. And compress a DL original and burn it to a SL. Buy +R disc so they can be bit set to DVD-Roms and they play on all standalone players if you drive has the ability to bit set. We'll get to that later. Baby steps!
Ripping speed is not critical-writing speed is. General rule is burn at half the rated speed of the blanks. until your burner is used to the media it's being fed and it will learn to do better then you can try at those 16X. DLs are problematic at high speeds. Stick to SL until you get it down.
Don't throw away the Memrex DLs. Since you can watch them on your pc then all is not lost. The newer DLs are not the same as the older DLs and older players will have trouble playing them. Buy a$100 upconvert dvd player, but first take them to a friend who might have a newer standalone player to see if they play.
In the end you WILL be able to copy an entire DL disc to a blank DL disc without compression, which seems to be your goal. It's just a lot more expensive when you make a DL coaster instead of a SL one LOL.
DVD Copying Guides
http://www.dvdplusvideo.com/Guides.html
There are many ways and programs to get a burned blank, the above-ones I discussed not the link above- are two of the easier ones. Other people will probably come along and add info. Read it all. Good luck.
Links still work.
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Garmoon,
I have now tried DVDShrink and ImgBurn, and both successfully. I actually already had the DVD files for the first disc of a series ripped using Free DVD Decryptor, so there was no need to use AnyDVD in conjuction, though to be honest, I think my trial period has ended and I probably have to subscribe now. Anyway, besides using AnyDVD, I followed the suggestions you gave me on burning to SL discs. Thank you for your help with that.
Before I continue with a few more questions, I do sincerely apologize for bugging you with this so frequently over the past week or so, but do very much appreciate your time and knowledge as well as others who have responded.
Okay here goes:
First, concerning DVDShrink, are there any specific settings I should change from the default values, or is the program pretty much good to go as is? As I said, it worked successfully, but I thought I should probably ask if there were any "standard" modifications people make to the settings for best performance,etc.
Also, when viewing these DVDs in a Blu-Ray, specifically on an HD TV, does the quality loss from "shrinking" the original down become more obvious? If it does become more obvious with HD equipment, is it drastic?
Next, with ImgBurn, I have to admit that I was a little shocked by the amount of settings the program offers, and I guess my question in regards to it is the same as with DVDShrink: Any settings I should specifically concern myself with?
ISO or DVD files, just a matter of preference, or is the ISO format truly better as I have been told elsewhere?
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originally posted by iluvendo:
Please read , especially the answers by JoeRyan
http://forums.afterdawn.com/t.cfm/f-47/m...im_r_dl-799483/
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/774840
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Okay, I read what you suggested, paying special attention to what user JoeRyan had posted. Am I correct in thinking that your point for me was that Memorex aren't necessarily 'bad' media, just a little more difficult to use? I hope I haven't totally missed what you were trying to clue me in to.
Also, I like the s/n.
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Thank you both again for the assistance!
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8. November 2009 @ 14:56 |
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1 Some people set the output file size less than max(4464mb) so they are not burning to the edge of the disc. I burn to the edge but use quality media. If you have playback problems at the end of the movies then cut file size back if your discs are defective at edge-BUT your compression will go up.If burning with Nero check box enable burning with Nero.I think after Nero 7 the link is broken for autoburn but you can burn manually . There is a fix for burning with ImgBurn auto I have it installed but have no idea how I did it.LOL I just don't use the program anymore.
2 If the compression is a high around 80 or below quality can drop off. It has never bothered my eyes played on upconvert player and viewed on HD set.
3 ImgBurn is good to go. Set your burn speed to 8X if using 16X media and increase your speeds after you get confident. I still burn discs for myself @8x and copies to give @16X.
4 I do both Video files and ISOs. Video_TS file for my original and ISOs if I make a copy from HDD or on the fly. I also use ISOs to make copies on DL media using ImgBurn.
I also reauthor the discs in what ever program I use to compress with and just do the movie itself. This will usually keep the compression above 90%
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