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11. July 2010 @ 15:08 |
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They can only get your ip from the server box if that is well out side of the uk jurisidiction which they should be people have nothing to fear except there own provider been able to see packets going back and forth does not prove a thing all it proves is you are on that server just like google is on a server and if you are searching google all the time thats what they can see.
As said time after time we are not here as gods to tell people what they should and should not do that is for them to do their reading and decide all we do is advise people what is out there if they wish to take it up.
At the end of the day just for argument say the server was in russia how are virgin or any other provider going to be able to get to this server they cant.
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11. July 2010 @ 20:00 |
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Originally posted by e45:
They can only get your ip from the server box if that is well out side of the uk jurisidiction which they should be people have nothing to fear except there own provider been able to see packets going back and forth does not prove a thing all it proves is you are on that server just like google is on a server and if you are searching google all the time thats what they can see.
As said time after time we are not here as gods to tell people what they should and should not do that is for them to do their reading and decide all we do is advise people what is out there if they wish to take it up.
At the end of the day just for argument say the server was in russia how are virgin or any other provider going to be able to get to this server they cant.
Under EU data retention laws brought in when the UK held EU presidency a few years back, can UK authorities demand information such as server logs from a server like that? I know that the original reason for data retention was terrorism but the legislation was changed to say "serious crime" instead - so i think the server would have to be not just outside the UK, but outside the EU too. There would also have to be communication from the UK to servers in Russia or wherever else to keep the keys up to date so that boxes can retrieve them when they change, that's probably a point of attack too.
There are legal reasons why NTL or another provider might not be able to snoop on customer traffic to see if they are getting data from a public key server, that's true, but I could see them making an effort to block access to key servers. That is probably not on solid legal ground either, but who would challenge it? Again though, a VPN would remove that problem.
I agree with you that what people do with information on forums like this is their own business. If they get in trouble, it is their own fault not the posters fault or afterdawns.
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12. July 2010 @ 04:52 |
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People will always do what they want to do, regardless of the advise offered, we can spell out as best we can to them and if they decide to go with it, its their choice, there is some good points in this thread, which is what forums are about, to discuss and debate,
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fredberg
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13. July 2010 @ 19:53 |
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all sounds a tad dodgy to me lads....i think i might get a kryptview 780, just hope i dont get clocked!!!!.......thanks for the info and advice, cheers.
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16. July 2010 @ 07:05 |
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I'm selling hoops to hit with sticks and kite's for outdoors fun!!!
Janey mack Im nearly 40.
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situl2005
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18. July 2010 @ 09:48 |
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From what I'm reading, there are mentions of 'keep the keys up to date so that boxes can retrieve them when they change. What keys are we talking about? are private keys or rolling keys like in the old boxes that updated by the emulator? So these new boxes need to connect to these servers in order to update the keys? So why can't these keys be inputted in manually in to your own box? are these servers just a way to make money? obviously they are.
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18. July 2010 @ 09:52 |
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no keys can be inserted in the new boxes
broadband does the update for you
server is there to try and save you money,lol
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18. July 2010 @ 14:37 |
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and identify you
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18. July 2010 @ 14:43 |
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it does the same as any peer to peer site will do or pirate bay
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18. July 2010 @ 17:08 |
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lads were not going through this again??
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18. July 2010 @ 17:13 |
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you right im not but someone is LOL
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mikey_c
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19. July 2010 @ 06:55 |
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So.....how many boxes have been brought to the UK? Are you saying that VM (or whatever) have people looking at everyone's IP address and monotoring what they are downloading? Why would they waste their time and money on something that in 9 times out of 10 will end up with a slap on the wrist/fine?
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19. July 2010 @ 09:57 |
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Originally posted by mikey_c:
So.....how many boxes have been brought to the UK? what diff does thar make how many boxes are in uk, any 1 that answers that with a number would be lying
Are you saying that VM (or whatever) have people looking at everyone's IP address and monotoring what they are downloading? no they cant watch what you are d.loading, but that does not mean they are not monitoring/watching
Why would they waste their time and money on something that in 9 times out of 10 will end up with a slap on the wrist/fine? you would be still breaking the law!
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mikey_c
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19. July 2010 @ 10:20 |
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Originally posted by hooter007:
Originally posted by mikey_c:
So.....how many boxes have been brought to the UK? what diff does thar make how many boxes are in uk, any 1 that answers that with a number would be lying
Are you saying that VM (or whatever) have people looking at everyone's IP address and monotoring what they are downloading? no they cant watch what you are d.loading, but that does not mean they are not monitoring/watching
Why would they waste their time and money on something that in 9 times out of 10 will end up with a slap on the wrist/fine? you would be still breaking the law!
I wasn't really wanting an actual figure - just meaning that there's probably to many for them to keep track of. What exactly would they be watching for? I really doubt they would waste there time. Do you know how hard that would be?
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19. July 2010 @ 10:43 |
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they would not be much interested in all the boxes "at the moment"
more interested in the server,
also remember its not only them that is watching,looking,trying to find,
and yes you are probably right about 9/10 you would just get a slap on wrist,fine ect.. if its your first offence, but what if its not and no fine no slap on wrist
well lets say you "will" get free tv where you go,lol
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22. July 2010 @ 19:25 |
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interesting viewpoint. so sky, ntl, virgin etc.. couldn't be arsed securing their services. its only a multi-billion industry. why should they worry about small games that cost them 100's of millions every year. how many people can they afford to pay annually to crack such systems if it costs them hundreds of millions. rather a lot i would suggest. so unless you are secure in what you do i suggest you just have a think about the examples these people wish to make. all i ask is that you ensure your system is secure. no public server is secure.
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22. July 2010 @ 19:53 |
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im sure they are well aware of this they are not stupid like i said before people download music and movies everyday no difference they have to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that its you connected and not a cloned modem connected now how are they going to do all this ?? .....mmm ..... i suppose they can monitor everyone at the same time
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23. July 2010 @ 10:19 |
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nice banter between E45 & Fintnnl, LOL.
i currently have NTHELL and pay full subs, however im really keen to get a new krypt box and set up my own server. im wanting to share the subs with my family.
any idea if this can be done and how the hell to go about it, i cannot find a thing relating to it.
if someone would be kind enough to send me some links to tutorials on the matter i would be grateful.
thanks lads.
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23. July 2010 @ 10:25 |
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Impossible mate without the correct stuff you will not be able to do that sorry
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23. July 2010 @ 10:27 |
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What he said!
Whatever you say, say nothing when you talk about you know what for if you know who might hear you, you know what youll get. Youll be sent off to you know where for you would not know how long. Maybe I could search through the threads so you dont have to ??
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23. July 2010 @ 16:19 |
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public shares allow you alone to access their system. they do not allow you to reshare their system with other users. potentially you could offer your username and password to your friends but this will mean that multiple users will be using the same username and password. you will find yourself cut-off from the service in no time. to be able to share you must first have your own card to share. then you must know how to share that card
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23. July 2010 @ 19:02 |
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welcome back fintannl :)
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25. July 2010 @ 10:51 |
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and you wont be able to share a cable card if its gone to N3 unless you have what is needed
and on kryptview you do not get a name or password
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25. July 2010 @ 14:11 |
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got off my proverbial horse for a bit
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25. July 2010 @ 18:27 |
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Originally posted by fintannl:
public shares allow you alone to access their system. they do not allow you to reshare their system with other users. potentially you could offer your username and password to your friends but this will mean that multiple users will be using the same username and password. you will find yourself cut-off from the service in no time. to be able to share you must first have your own card to share. then you must know how to share that card
Being a gambler I knew you might be back. Welcome!
Have you got rhyme and verse i.e. Sections and sub sections and Articles and sub articles you might like to quote to fully substantiate the innuendo in your argument?
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