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vhs to vcd or svcd or dvd???
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rebelrob
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I hope this is the correct forum. I have home video vhs and recorded vhs tapes from tv. Am I wasting my time if I try to convert my vhs to svcd or dvd format which is MpegII??? Or should I just stick with vcd format? Just trying to get these to cd before they turn into space dust. Im not sure if I can make the quality any better by going to mpegII. I have seen the quote garbage in - garbage out a few times.
Any feedback would be appreciated.
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R
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31. January 2005 @ 16:59 |
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Encode to dvd spec for 1/4 D1 (352x240/288) mpeg-2. bitrate between 2500 and 4000. (SVCD/VHS quality).
Author to dvd in DVDLab.
Burn.
Voila, if done right, about 6 hours per dvdr.
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reboot, not sure if I understand your instructions. Just looking to see if I will gain anything by taking vhs to SVCD or dvd format??? These vhs tapes are home videos from 8mm cameras or taped shows from tv.
Anybody else have any input. Also Im using Nero ultra to create my VCD, SVCD and dvd's.
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rebootjim is telling you to put many SVCD movies on a DVD, because SVCD quality is enough but you can fit many movies into a DVD. Looking on http://www.afterdawn.com/guides/ you can see an Afterdawn's guide to put mulyiple VCD movies on a DVD ([1] 44.1 Hz sound ---> 48 Hz sound to create a DVD-compliant moive; [2] a good authoring application [which supports mpeg-1 movies on a DVD] to author a DVD with 48 kHz-VCD movies you create).
Avoid Nero, which will try to turn a small mpeg-1 movie into a BIG mpeg-2 movie for DVD (and therefore losing room in the DVD: 50' of SVCD movie = 800 MB; 1 DVD movie = 4.5 GB without gaining any quality)
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Because VHS quality is about equal to SVCD quality, I recommended 1/4 D1 as aspect ratio. Not exactly SVCD (which is 480x480), but still within dvd spec. 1/4 D1 is 352x240 (ntsc) and 352x288 (pal).
This way you are not resizing the original pixel size very much, thus retaining most quality.
Bitrate of 2500 is SVCD spec. No point in going much higher, and even the 4000 I said above, may be too much (depending on real quality of the original, and how many hours you want on the finished dvdr).
Use DVDLab to author it. You can import the mpeg's directly, have dvdlab transcode audio to 48khz (or you can do this externally, which is actually a better idea, but more steps involved).
Author directly to dvdr, with menus, fades, effects, whatever you want.
DVDLab also has a built in basic burner (using ASPI), if you don't have access to anything better (Nero, et al).
I made a successful business transferring VHS to DVD, and although there are a ton of methods, and equally a number of programs, you need to keep it simple for the first few tries.
Capture directly from VHS to mpeg-2 if at all possible.
Capture directly into the aspect ratio you need. In this case I recommended 352x240/288, depending if you are in PAL or NTSC areas.
Capture audio at 48khz if at all possible.
Edit if you must, in a good editor. I like Cuttermaran because it's free, and allows cutting on I, P, and B frames (frameaccurate). Most (cheaper) editors won't allow this.
If you don't need to cut/edit, simply import the mpegs into dvdlab. Ignore any errors about incorrect video size, transcode audio (dvdlab does this for you if needed), add your menus, so you can select which video to watch.
Compile and burn.
I have numerous guides on how to do all the dvdlab stuff http://www.videohelp.com/guides.php?tools=&madeby=reboot&formatconversionselect=&howtoselect=%3B&orderby=Date&listall=1&hits=25&archive=0&listallusers=&search=Search+or+List+Guides
p.s. If you compile a project that is too large for 1 dvdr, use DVDShrink to bring it down to size.
p.p.s. I love my status "newbie"...lol. Not quite :D
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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Rebootjim,
thx, I think I am gettin the picture now. Yes, my capture device will capture in mpeg2. I will just skip going from vhs to VCD and use SVCD instead.
DVDLab I hear you mention that a lot. Im using nero6 ultra. I was able to take a home video and convert it to mpeg2 dvd quality w/nero. Not sure if I lost quality, but it sounds like did from what you are mentioned. It was almost 3 gigs in size. If I download another program for burning or editing I think Im going to lose my mind. I have about 25 so far. BTW I use NTSC. I only need to worry about audio at 48khz if Im going to dvd format, correct?
I will try your settings.
thx,
R
I will try your settings and see how they work.
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1. February 2005 @ 10:05 |
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No, don't capture at SVCD either!
Capture at 352x240, aka 1/4 D1.
This will display nicely on a TV (same aspect ratio more or less) and not decrease quality by resizing pixels. If you cap at 480x480 (1:1 aspect), something has to resize the pixels to get it to 4:3 (TV) aspect.
The more resizing, the worse the quality gets.
If you can't cap 48khz audio, not to worry. Demux the video and audio (there's lots of free tools to do this) and convert audio to 48khz AC3 with ffmpeggui (also free).
AC3 is DVD compliant standard audio.
Using Nero is OK. Not great, because of it's encoder engine. It's slow, and loves to screw with audio sync.
I know how you feel about a ton of programs for video work. It's just the way it is, however, you can narrow it down to just the few that do what YOU want.
After 25 years and way more than 25 programs, I have narrowed it down to the few that do things right.
I'm also a cheapskate, so free is a bonus.
Here's my shortlist:
Virtualdub. Absolutely the best of the best for editing AVI. VirtualDub-mpg for editing mpg and frameserving. Free.
Cuttermaran. Very easy to use mpeg editor. Does NOT re-encode anything. Free.
Ffmpeggui. Convert extracted audio to AC3. Free.
Canopus Procoder. Arguably the best encoder engine there is. Mainconcept runs a close second. CCE is also good, but extremely difficult to use. You pay for what you get in this category.
DVDLab Pro. Arguably the best authoring program there is. Definitely best "bang for the buck", as other comparable apps cost $500 or more.
If you're really cheap, you can get Gui for DVD Author (free), that allows a very limited menu.
I hope some of this helps, and isn't too intimidating.
Most newbies, when starting, get overwhelmed very quickly, and either give up, or plod through, doing things the wrong way, not asking enough questions, or being satisfied with second class results. Don't be.
Don't try and learn all there is to learn about all the different apps. Find a process and programs that work, and perfect it. THEN go on to something new.
The results are worth it :D
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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1. February 2005 @ 10:31 |
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Cool,
thanks for the tip. I will reset the size as you mentioned, I will see if Nero lets me resize, not for sure. Im guessing that by what your saying my first vhs to dvd obviously took away some quality since it was probably reframed at 720 by whatever, I forget the ratio that dvdmpegII is.
I use DVD Decrypter for backups- great program
DVD shrink- good for authoring-have not used anyothers
TMPgenc mpeg editor w/ac3 plugin
Virtualdubmod, new to this, have not messed with much
winavi converter- great for compression the heck out of any video file. I luv it.
Zealot all video converter- do much of the same as above.
Alcohol 120%
Dvd express for my capture device- walmart
Gspot-to identify whatformat the video is in.
plus a number of others I have used an unistalled. Like I said about 25 last time I counted.
I apprecaite your list. Thx again,
R
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1. February 2005 @ 10:45 |
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DVDShrink isn't really an authoring program, but it does output the correct DVD Structure.
Once you've gotten hands dirty in a great app like DVDLab, seen the possibilities, THEN things get interesting :D
Please let us know how it all turns out, and don't be afraid to ask many more questions. I love a challenge :D
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Cheers, Jim
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1. February 2005 @ 10:53 |
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will do. I will get dvdlab 2nite.
thx
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rebootjim,
which dvd lab do you reccomend? The regular or pro version. Im guessing the pro version has many more options and utilities.
R
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1. February 2005 @ 11:41 |
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Pro has many more options, but you probably won't use any of them for the first while.
Download the regular demo, make a couple of successful dvd's, and when it expires in 30 days, download the Pro and go for another 30 days.
Then buy the one you feel does what you need.
I jumped into Pro after a week, mostly because of the special effects (D-FX) and the ability to generate a mpv motion menu. (no need to generate AVI, then encode, import, etc...)
My guides mostly apply to the Regular version.
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Cheers, Jim
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3. February 2005 @ 10:28 |
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rebootjim,
I saw this thread you posted
You don't want to do that.
You want to make one big .AVI from it.
Unrar the files in winrar.
Join all in VirtualDub.
Frameserve to encoder.
Encode AVI to mpeg.
Author and burn.
I have virtualmoddub, I was able to join multiple AVI files into one big one. Althought It turned my 5 AVI 50 mgs files in quadruple that size. I guess I need to check the settings. But can you encode AVI to mpeg with virtualdubmod? Also I did not see the frameserve to encoder, unless Im not looking hard enough. Maybe there is a guide.
thx
R
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3. February 2005 @ 10:28 |
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rebootjim,
I saw this thread you posted
You don't want to do that.
You want to make one big .AVI from it.
Unrar the files in winrar.
Join all in VirtualDub.
Frameserve to encoder.
Encode AVI to mpeg.
Author and burn.
I have virtualmoddub, I was able to join multiple AVI files into one big one. Althought It turned my 5 AVI 50 mgs files in quadruple that size. I guess I need to check the settings. But can you encode AVI to mpeg with virtualdubmod? Also I did not see the frameserve to encoder, unless Im not looking hard enough. Maybe there is a guide.
thx
R
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3. February 2005 @ 11:16 |
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No, virtualdub does not encode to mpeg.
If my source is avi, and I want to do any editing, or filtering, I do it all in virtualdub. If my source is mpeg, I use virtualdub-mod.
Once I like my output, instead of saving it to a compressed avi (losing quality), saving it to a raw avi (VERY HUGE file, waste of time), I frameserve it.
Here's how: http://www.videohelp.com/virtualdubframeserve.htm
The advantages:
It's much easier to edit and filter an avi, or at least the "appearance" of being an avi, in virtualdubmod.
You're not saving an intermediate avi, which will either lose quality, or take up terrabytes of hard drive space.
It will encode MUCH faster than using any filtering/editing in your encoder.
eg. Tmpgenc is going to take 12 hours to encode 120 minutes of avi. Set Motion Search Precision to Estimate (fast), that's now down to about 6 hours, and I doubt your eyes will see the difference.
Set Rate Control Mode to CQ-VBR. Q100
Time is now down to about 3 hours.
Add Noise reduction filter, Ghost reduction, and sharpen edge, and you're now back up to about 8 hours.
Do noise reduction, ghost reduction, and sharpen in virtualdub, then frameserve, and you're back down to 3 hours :D
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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Thanks. Looks like I may have to get VirtualDub, I have the vdmod version. I guess there is a little bit of difference in the gooey interface.
Yep, I will check out that guide you sent me. As mentioned I have a handful of avi's downloaded from the net and want to put them all on one disk. But at the same time I just want to join them and not have them resized in fear of losing any quality.
Thx, your help is most appreciated.
R
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There's two ways to join.
In VirtualDub (or mod, doesn't matter), or in your authoring program after you've encoded them to mpeg.
I prefer to author separate clips, so I can have a menu, to choose which one to watch.
It's a pain having to ffwd to the spot you want, if all the clips are made into one movie.
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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rebootjim:
I hope you are still monitoring this thread, because you sound like you're the "answerman" I need!
I have a bunch of "classic" (to me) football games on VHS tapes. Because the broadcasts lasted anywhere from 2 hours to 5+ hours, all of these tapes were recorded in the VCR's SLP mode. Needless to say, they aren't what you would call great quality.
I would like to get them on DVD. Mostly because they just feel "safer" on DVD. Partially because I don't have two good VCR's so I can't make copies of these tapes if anybody want one, but I can copy a DVD to tape. Partially because it would be nice to have the games accessible through a menu that could give a little info on the game and then have a submenu (chapter menu) which allows direct access to each quarter.
I have all the authoring software I need. I don't need animated menus or anything, so I will either use NeroVision Express or one of the dvdauthor gui's.
What I don't know how to do is to get these low-quality VHS tapes encoded and burnt to DVD in a way that will fit a 4+ hour game on a single DVD and yet will still be similar in quality to the original VHS.
I don't need to add any fancy editing to the .mpg's other than to cut out commercials. So, if I capture directly to .mpg, I could use cutterman or something to do that.
I read this thead with much interest. Most everything you said made sense. I can't capture these tapes in .AVI mode, because I think the required disk space would be prohibitive. However, I'm very concerned that these noisy originals will suffer from severe pixelization or other artifacts when I capture at 1/4 D1. Maybe it isn't so much the resolution I capture at, but the bitrate?
Is it just too much to ask to get these tapes to encode cleanly AND fit 4 hours worth on a single-layer DVD?
I capture the analog video from the vcr by passing it through my digital camcorder, which then puts it out on firewire. Unfortunately, although my camcorder has an s-video input, my VCR only has composite video output. The only two pieces of software that I have that will capture and encode to .mpg on the fly are Windows Movie Maker and NeroVision Express.
Is there some kind of filtering I should be doing prior to encoding? If so, since I can't fit the .avi's on my hard disk, would I need to set up some kind of "frameserving" thing to capture and filter in one program and then encode in another?
Have I asked enough questions yet?
Thanks to you or anybody else who can help me.
Mike
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11. February 2005 @ 04:45 |
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waltersbg,
I have been trying to do much of the same. I have been messing around with different quality settings like rebootjim had offered. Im not satisfied with my results yet though. My quality on these vhs tapes is crap to begin with and they are very old. But I want to get my old home video and others unreplaceable footage on to cd or dvd. I have tried capturing at mpeg1 352x240 and mpeg 2 352x240 and it really looks terrible. Its very pixely and fuzzy and just looks way to blown up as you would with a digital picture. Hmm not sure what Im doing wrong though. I will continue to make some more coasters. I went out and got DVD Lab Pro for a good authoring/editing tool. I have not used it yet. I may need to go get a guide on how to use. You will need to get those files captured to mpeg, then convert them to dvd format. If they are two big to fit onto a dvd you will need to shrink them using DVD Shrink or probably dvd lab rebootjim swears by. If you get the file captured, Nero 6 ultra will turn it into a dvd for you. But not sure it will fit onto one dvd5 +-R. DVD has to be in mpeg II and 48mhz audio format.
Maybe rebootjim will come and add his expertise.
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There are a couple of key things to remember.
During capture, keep the aspect as close to the original as possible, this prevents resizing, losing quality. Hence my recommendation for 352x240/288.
Keep the capture bitrate as HIGH as possible.
Bitrate=quality. Higher is better.
We can work with getting things to fit on dvdr later.
Once you have your capture, even if it's .AVI (a good .AVI capture can maintain the quality of the original, but it's more difficult to do than mpeg-2 capture (don't use mpeg-1 capture!!!))
Play the file back on the computer, in a good viewer, such as powerdvd, or windvd.
It should look much like the original if you got the settings right.
Now it's already in 1/4D1 mpeg-2 format. This is dvd spec, and can be authored directly to dvd in dvdlab.
If you do any editing in an outside program such as Pinnacle or Premiere, you're bound to lose quality, if any portion of the video needs to be re-encoded.
DO NOT re-encode anything you don't have to. You lose quality with every step.
Cuttermaran is ideal for simply cutting out commercials, because it doesn't re-encode anything, and it's free.
Once you have the saved mpeg, just author it.
You could use something like ReJig to get a simple autoplay dvd, or DVDLab to get menus and lots of fancy stuff.
I figure if you're going to take the time to make a nice DVD with high quality video, you should also make a decent menu system for it.
Once it's authored and tested on your computer, if satisfied, burn. If it's too large, use DVDShrink to bring it down to size, then burn.
Shrink does this job exactly as advertised, with a very minimum loss of quality. Most people can't see the difference.
More specifics: Capturing to uncompressed AVI will take up HUGE amounts of space on your HD. If you have the room, this is one way to go, because AVI is much easier to edit. You can then frameserve to a dedicated encoder.
Please do not use Nerovision or Window movie maker to capture. There are lots of other (some free) capture software. Look in the TOOLS section at www.videohelp.com and search for "capture".
Pick one that will capture directly to mpeg-2 if possible. You could even use VirtualDub to capture directly to .AVI, but if you haven't the room, you need to use a compression codec, which can totally destroy quality.
If you're interested in really good software, get Mainconcept mpeg encoder. It will capture and encode directly to mpeg-2. Pricey, at about $150, but a superb bit of software.
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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First of all, for rebelrob: Have you started using DVD+RW's for your testing? I was totally stressing over all of the coasters I was creating while experimenting with various things, so I went and got some DVD+RW's. I found a 10-pack of memorex DVD+RW's for just over a dollar per disk. I know you can get them for less than that, but I wanted to just find some locally without waiting for a sale. That's a lot more per disk than the DVD-R's I was using, but it has been worth it. I just burn and burn and burn without ever worrying about "wasting" a disk. It really makes experimenting a lot more "fun".
For rebootjim:
Thanks for the input. I do need to check into different capture software. Windows Movie Maker does not have any DVD-compatible capture options available. It either wants to capture in .wmv format or as a .AVI. NeroVision Epxress allows me to capture in various DVD-compatible modes, including 1/4 D1, but it will not allow me to set the bitrate.
I'm still a little confused as to the best way to get a high-quality .mpg output from the capture/encoding steps. It sounds like, if I really want to do it right, I need to get something like Mainconcepts' product. Short of that, I'm unclear on the advantages/disadvantages/methods for various approaches.
You said, "You could even use VirtualDub to capture directly to .AVI, but if you haven't the room, you need to use a compression codec, which can totally destroy quality."
That is one of the parts that confuses me. If I don't have room for .AVI (which I don't, considering the number of hours per title), then I MUST put the captured video through a codec, right? Encoding requires a codec, does it not? It seems to me that the only choices I have are exactly which codec I use and whether or not it is built in to the same program that is used for capture.
If the codec is not built in to the capture program, then it seems to me that I must "frameserve" the captured video to the encoding program on the fly. Otherwise, I'll need room to store the un-encoded capture. In a case like you mention where I capture with VirtualDub and edit the .avi's, I don't really need to "frameserve" the output from VirtualDub to a dedicated encoder do I, since I can just point the encoder to the output .AVI from VirtualDub?
So, that leaves me needing two things:
1) A capture program which allows me to specify the resolution and bitrate of the captured video
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2) An encoder to convert to mpeg2, DVD-compliant output. If the encoder is not built into the capture program, then I need a capture program which can frameserve to an encoder.
Is that basically it? If so, do you have any suggestions, in addition to your suggestion of Mainconcepts, for a capture/encode combination which you think can do the job?
Sorry for the long reply and another long list of questions. I'm sure I'll eventually figure this out. I can easily see why you say that beginners often just give up before they find the right solution.
Thanks,
Mike
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11. February 2005 @ 09:41 |
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I have never purchased the dvd-rw, one because of the cost and two, due to the problems with compatibility in most dvd players. I hear they will not work. But if they work for you, then more power to you. I have been going to Frys to get my dvd-+R Pack of 50 for under $10. I have bought the hp and GQ and they both seem to be the same quality. I have had no problems with them. But thats a whole other forum in itsself about good/bad media.
I have a winnov capture card. Which is old and does not give me a lot of options. I recently got dvd express from walmart. Its external usb plug in play. comes with a lot of editing software, but I just use the hardware. Not sure if you can change bitrate. I think I can..I will check 2nite and let you know, but it will capture in mpeg 1or2 VCD, SVCD and dvd format.
1. I plug my vcr into dvd express. Play/capture video into mpeg format.
2. take that captured mpeg, open Nero 6 ultra. Choose what type of disc I want to make.
3. Create menu/music, captions, titles, etc.
4 Burn
5. You got yourself a VCD, SVCD or dvd.
Not much to it.
I want to try working with DVD Lab Pro, just have not messed with it. That is rebootjims ideal tool.
As far as Backuping DVD's , reauthoring dvds, shrinking dvds, I have become a whiz at that. Look out BlockBUST.
As mentioned by rebootjim, DVDshrink, you dont even notice it.
R
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You said, "You could even use VirtualDub to capture directly to .AVI, but if you haven't the room, you need to use a compression codec, which can totally destroy quality."
That is one of the parts that confuses me. If I don't have room for .AVI (which I don't, considering the number of hours per title), then I MUST put the captured video through a codec, right? Encoding requires a codec, does it not? It seems to me that the only choices I have are exactly which codec I use and whether or not it is built in to the same program that is used for capture.
This is why I mentioned VirtualDub. If you select Video, Compression, and choose a good codec, and set it up right, you can almost keep perfect quality, at a much smaller filesize. DivX is probably the best, but choose a high bitrate in the config tab/button. VirtualDub will use ANY codec you have on your system. If you're not satisfied with what's there already, get something else. I use DivX mpeg-4 Fast motion a LOT.
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If the codec is not built in to the capture program, then it seems to me that I must "frameserve" the captured video to the encoding program on the fly. Otherwise, I'll need room to store the un-encoded capture. In a case like you mention where I capture with VirtualDub and edit the .avi's, I don't really need to "frameserve" the output from VirtualDub to a dedicated encoder do I, since I can just point the encoder to the output .AVI from VirtualDub?
If you're going to capture in one software, and encode in another, then yes, capture in VirtualDub, and frameserve to encoder. You're better off capturing directly to mpeg-2, as mentioned above, although this can be more difficult to edit. If you NEED lots of editing leeway (not just cutting out commercials), then capture to compressed (DivX) AVI, it's just much easier to work with. If you only need to cut ads, then capture to mpeg-2.
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So, that leaves me needing two things:
1) A capture program which allows me to specify the resolution and bitrate of the captured video
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2) An encoder to convert to mpeg2, DVD-compliant output. If the encoder is not built into the capture program, then I need a capture program which can frameserve to an encoder.
Is that basically it? If so, do you have any suggestions, in addition to your suggestion of Mainconcepts, for a capture/encode combination which you think can do the job?
If #1 is captured to mpeg-2, then you don't NEED #2. This has been my point all along. :D
Personally, I use VirtualDub to capture in uncompressed AVI, but only because I have terabytes of hard drive space. Choose a codec wisely, then capture, and save it on your hard drive.
If you already HAVE other good capture software (Pinnacle, Premiere, Ulead) then definitely use that to capture into mpeg-2 if at all possible. Windows movie maker and Nerovision Express are NOT anything I would bother with, not if you want quality output.
There is another free capture program, called VirtualVCR. Read all about how to use it here: http://www.doom9.org/capture/capturing_VirtualVCR.html
I still recommend Mainconcept. One of the best mpeg-2 capture software, and encoder all in one. Canopus Procoder if you're going to get the best.
Other encoders to consider are TMPGEnc, and QuEnc. QuEnc is free, and there are 3 or 4 good GUI's for it. It's NOT fast, something you set overnight.
CCE is arguably the fastest (next to Canopus), but a totally horrible interface/gui.
Price them out, test the trial downloads, then buy what works best for you.
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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rebelrob:
Yeah, I was avoiding using DVD+RW's for the same reason. I didn't want to pay that much and I thought they may not play in my DVD Player. As it turns out, the ones I'm making play fine in my player and it's just "nice" to not burn coasters. When I perfect something I will, of course, burn in on DVD-R. Did I end up saving money in the long run? Possibly, possibly not. If I do 50 experiments on a single DVD+RW, then probably so. Also, I can use the +RW's for my data backups, unrelated to videos. But, at the price you are paying for DVD-R's, I guess you can burn a lot of coasters without it costing much!
I am currently following a process similar to yours, except that my capture is done through the camcorder and firewire. Also, Nero 6 is currently producing .VOB files that are incompatible with my DVD player (Apex AD-1100W). Theoretically, the engineers at Ahead are looking into it.
The concern I have in using Nero for the VHS transfers that you and I are discussing with rebootjim is that it is my understanding that Nero will recode whether you want it to or not. Therefore, you could go through all the trouble to get a clean mpeg2 capture of your tapes and then Nero would recode it and you could lose some quality. As I understand Jim, the key is to Author with a program that will only recode if it has to. I'm currently experimenting with some freeware authoring programs.
As for backups and re-authoring, I am doing fine with that thanks to DVDShrink. I only wish making my own DVDs was going as well!
Thanks for you input and guidance. Good luck in your endeavors to get VHS transfers working. I'm starting to think that I may need to settle for 2 hours of video per DVD (until the double-layer disks become affordable). That way, I can capture at full D1, which seems to look "pretty good" on my system.
Later,
Mike
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rebelrob
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Yep, Nero will take over and rebootjim may have something there about the quality being reduced. I have not messed with it enough to find out. I will start playing with Dvd Lab. Im at about 30-40 cents a disc with the dvd-r's.
As far as your apex not working with the VOB or the vob's that Nero is creating is strange. Not to knock your dvd player, but apex is considered low quality. I know from experience when I did video over IP and ATM as well as reading sites like these and consumer reports. If you have some extra cash, go to walmart and purchase that sony dvd player for about $80, I forget the model, but its a low profile player. It will play ANYTHING and its a good quality player.
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