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can nero burn in 8x,12x, or 16x with pioneer dvr-108?
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pharmdogg
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24. September 2004 @ 23:23 |
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mine will only allow me to burn at 4x max. I didn't buy the pioneer to burn at 4x so is it my software that has an issue? if so, which software allows those higher burnings speeds? I have firmware 1.14.
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25. September 2004 @ 00:05 |
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what blank media are you using? 4x?
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25. September 2004 @ 02:00 |
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If your doing video backups, I personally wouldn't recommend burning over 4X. Increases your chances of errors. That's just my opinion but you will find others that agree.
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vietorisz
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25. September 2004 @ 03:28 |
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I have a brand new Pioneer 108, patched it with NIL's firmware hack, and succesfully burned at an incredible 8X speed a dvd back up from my hard drive in 7'23" on a Ritek GO4 4X disc! Although the speed chosen was 16X the time elapsed shows of course that the speed was 'only" 8X. I'm perfectly satisfied. Go to rpc1.org for more details. Also, a little bit odd copying on the fly with Alcohol 120% allowed an average of 5.1 burning speed but this is because my source drive has unlocked ripping speed.
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pharmdogg
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25. September 2004 @ 07:07 |
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yep, you guys got it, I use the Ritek G04 4x media. I know this stuff can be burned at 8x with no problems, but the Nero only allows me to do 4x. So the firmware hack is the only way? Or do I have to buy 8x media to do this? Thanks for all the respones.
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baabaa
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25. September 2004 @ 07:38 |
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Why on earth do you 'patch' your burner to allow 8x burning onto a 4x disc??????????????????????I think you will require a new burner before me....LOL....
The Pioneer is capable of burning upto 16x with compatible media/software........out of the box, firmware patch is not a necessity................
It always amazes me, people buy an optical dvdrom or dvd burner and connect it up, and the main priority first is to flash the firmware..............I must be really old as I WOULD only flash my drive if it HAD to be flashed and not because of an iduced trend similar to nokia phones a couple of years ago..........
You may require an updated version of Nero to burn at quicker speeds, but as has been suggested 4x speed is the safest.
Afterall, you can have a nice relaxing cup of horlicks and a quick wordsearch in 15mins for 4x - you can't do that in 7 mins...............
I have the Pioneer 108 and Recordnow deluxe suite 7.2 with the updated pxengine.
This gives me the option of burning at 12x (do not actually use 12x), I always burn at 4x - good solid burns, and no chance of the disc shattering internally trying to burn a 4x disc at 8x (via stupid firmware flashing) and 'thronging' my burner.............
...............PIO is no go, DMA all the way...............
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27. September 2004 @ 07:42 |
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baabaa You're wrong, a 4x disc can be burned at 8x successfully, and the speed increase is more than enough to warrant a patch to the drive. I personally have a Plextor that burns 4x at 8x, and when I purchased the Pioneer 108 it wouldn't burn 4 at 8. So I patched the drive, maybe I'm just young, and want a speed increase. Now I can burn CMC 2x discs at 12x and 16x (12x is faster for hardware limitations of the Pioneer) successfully, and have watched them many times.
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baabaa
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27. September 2004 @ 09:42 |
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I thought my comments may induce something..........
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baabaa You're wrong, a 4x disc can be burned at 8x successfully
I don't recall saying that 4x discs could not be burned successfully at 8x...........................and do not accuse me of making statements that clearly I have NOT WRITTEN.(No arguements)
What I was actually saying, is that due to the physical makeup of the disc and laser power required in order to burn it at a faster speed, it is a conceivable situation that the disc CAN SHATTER...............I have seen it first hand, so do not change my comments to something I did not originally state.
Get your facts right BEFORE making a statement like that...............
Manufacturers rate their media at a recommended speed.
A firmware flash, changes the way the burner recognises the id on the disc, and therefore enables you to burn it quicker, it does not mean the disc is SAFE to burn at a higher speed.
If the disc shatters, you will be very lucky to have a working burner afterwards.........
If you are successfully burning 4x at 8x, then good for you..........I have nothing against it.
I was just highlighting the current trend of firmware flashing to in order to make equipment perform outside their specifications.............
This has gone a little off topic, so enough said here........
Apologies if it came out a little strong, but you caught me in mid-thought(strange place for me to be in).......LOL
...............PIO is no go, DMA all the way...............
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sickmunki
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27. September 2004 @ 16:07 |
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Baabaa
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I always burn at 4x - good solid burns, and no chance of the disc shattering internally trying to burn a 4x disc at 8x (via stupid firmware flashing)
I may have misquoted you earlier in saying that you said it couldn't be done successfully. But it seemed to me what you were driving at was that the disc would shatter?!? I've heard of this happening > 16x in laboratories, but the pioneer gets nowhere near those speeds.
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baabaa
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27. September 2004 @ 22:36 |
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Nope, not that it would shatter, but that it could/might or may shatter.....
No guarantees in life......
Also it is just not a shatter instance that can lead to damage.
The fact that you are 'ignoring' the disc id aswell can cause problems, the optic can go into a 'hangup' condition as it is trying to calibrate to the disc, meaning that the optic is getting over energised and this could eventually lead to permanent damage.
But let's not take this out of context, these occurances are not common but are feasible possibilites.
Just a warning, when you change specifications of ANY device outside the original manufacturers specifications you will always run a risk of inducing problems, don't forget the OEM have the equipment to FULLY test run to destruction any change, whereas these other companies who are offering 'patches' have not properly bench tested there burners to destruction...........
The choice is yours, but personally I would not do it just to get extra burn speed............
...............PIO is no go, DMA all the way...............
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tricky1
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28. September 2004 @ 06:05 |
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Replying to the original post.
I did a hardware flash to my pioneer 107d I find that certain discs will burn with 8x some 6x some 4x and some only 2x. My memorex dvd-r will burn at 8x I burnt the same dvd on memorex at 8x and at 4x I couldnt discern any visible difference while playing back.
I have kodak dvd-r that will not burn faster than 4x In fact some will only burn at 2x Yet on my friends computer with the same pioneer 107d these dvd's will burn at 8x no problem.Who knows :) Hypermedia that will not burn faster than 6x
As far as burning up the dvd drive while doing this, in my humble opinion the drive will probably become obsolete before it breaks like most computer parts :)
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28. September 2004 @ 13:11 |
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arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......No more flogging the donkey PLEASE...............
...............PIO is no go, DMA all the way...............
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28. September 2004 @ 18:00 |
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Now I can burn CMC 2x discs at 12x and 16x
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, and the speed increase is more than enough to warrant a patch to the drive.
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As far as burning up the dvd drive while doing this, in my humble opinion the drive will probably become obsolete before it breaks like most computer parts :)
LOL! Kids never change do they Sir Baabaa?
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baabaa
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28. September 2004 @ 22:27 |
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LOL........Yes, I just must be TOO old and set in my ways being a Knight of the old code........LOL
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29. September 2004 @ 00:56 |
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Wish I had money to throw away on a burnt up drive that isn't covered by warranty cause I hacked the firmware.
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tricky1
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29. September 2004 @ 05:26 |
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Ha Ha like I said, it will be obsolete before it burns up,
My drive has long since passed its warranty period.
It seems that I replace everything on the computer every two years anyway except my trusty viewsonic monitor.
LOL........Yes, I just must be TOO old and set in my ways being a Knight of the old code........LOL
As far as being a kid.....I retired last year, plan to pick up my OAP next year....but no I am not set in my ways....allways trying to push the envelope so to speak
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29. September 2004 @ 09:21 |
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I was just fooling around tricky1 and intended nothing personal.
Sir Baabaa and I are certainly set in our ways but it's a byproduct of our experiences. DVD technology isn't mature yet and the manufacturers are pushing the speeds faster than the media can reliably work at.
I'm all for speed increases but when, and only when, they can be reached with the same reliability and compatibility of the next lower burn speed but that hasn't been achived yet beyond 4X.
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29. September 2004 @ 10:25 |
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Sir Baabaa
Still loving that.........any chance I can alter my nick to it?
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Ha Ha like I said, it will be obsolete before it burns up
We'll see if you come back in a couple of months asking why you can't even burn at 2x...........I know I won't..............
tricky1, what do you regularly use your burner for then?
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allways trying to push the envelope so to speak
Yes, aren't we all, but don't you think sometimes thats where the problem lies, as alot of the time it develops into a trend rather than logical progression.
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I'm all for speed increases but when, and only when, they can be reached with the same reliability and compatibility of the next lower burn speed but that hasn't been achived yet beyond 4X.
Too true, give me a reliable 8x disc and we will all be using them - and no need for patches.......lovely....
There are no shortcuts around technology, if there were, the initial technolgy would not be released.......it is called innovation - this occurs after invention................
Anyways, nice to see this thread turn out to be topical afterall, as I thought for one moment it could swing the other way.
...............PIO is no go, DMA all the way...............
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29. September 2004 @ 10:45 |
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Still loving that.........any chance I can alter my nick to it?
Got my vote :) Hope you didn't mind my speaking for you though :P
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There are no shortcuts around technology
Very true. I was never too comfortable with the firmwares that allowed burning a disc faster than it's rated speed. I know some folks have done it very successfully but I'm just funny that way.
I wasn't pleased when some of the 4X RICOHJPNR01 media that I burned at 8X in my Plextor 708A skipped all over creation in a certain Hitachi player but played flawlessly when I reburned the same files to the same media only at 4X. That was deal breaker for me :)
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tricky1
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29. September 2004 @ 16:18 |
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I have a dvb card in the computer and record programs 1-1/2 to 2+ hours to mpeg, convert and author them to dvd about 10 per week or more depending on how much time I have. Then I burn two copies one for a friend of mine. I try to set my recording time to during the night.
I use mostly memorex disks after several trys at different brands. I find they are more compatable with the panasonic dvd player I have in my system.
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baabaa
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29. September 2004 @ 22:20 |
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Got my vote :) Hope you didn't mind my speaking for you though :P
Not at all, (baabaa bows, and feels honoured).
(Your on your way to the Mod of the month award...LOL)
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I wasn't pleased when some of the 4X RICOHJPNR01 media that I burned at 8X in my Plextor 708A skipped all over creation in a certain Hitachi player but played flawlessly when I reburned the same files to the same media only at 4X. That was deal breaker for me :)
Not much you can say to that really:
Over rated speed = hop, skippy, Rated speed = Perfect.
tricky1, it seems you are the contradidiction to the rule.
And Memorex discs aswell, these are known to be lowish graded media, but you over rated these and they are working - a bow in your direction sir....
Well it seems you are successful with the increased burning speeds - well done.
However, from what you wrote, I am assuming you are capturing from the TV, directly to PC- correct?
Are you capturing to MPEG1 standard or MPEG2 standard, and at what bitrates?
I ask this as it may actually point to why you are getting good results at 8x.
This is getting interesting, and there may well be a use for memorex discs afterall.................
...............PIO is no go, DMA all the way...............
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tricky1
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30. September 2004 @ 07:10 |
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I did read up on the various disks and the lower estimation on memorex, I switched to them after a suggestion by a person connected with panasonic. After my dvd player started to refuse to play certain dvd's (written at 4x I may say). I bought a small quantity to experiment and low and behold they turned out to be the better than all the others I had tried..must say still experimenting though and thats not to say of course that the next purchase of memorex will perform the same.
I get my signal via satellite to the computer using a program called MYTheatre.
I shall give you the info I get from DVDPatcher
they record at various bitrates obviously what is coming down the stream, I am not to up on the technical aspects really.
here are four bitrates I just had a look at:
3584400
1876000
1854000
1432000
they come down at 544x480 so you can see why I need to use dvdpatcher in order to author them to dvd.
Mpeg-2 standard
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baabaa
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30. September 2004 @ 09:53 |
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they come down at 544x480 so you can see why I need to use dvdpatcher in order to author them to dvd.
Mpeg-2 standard
This maybe the reason you get some good burns, as the initial resolution is lower than that of the dvd standard.
I have not got/used dvd patcher, so could not really comment on as to whether that is why you receive solid burns.
How is the quality turned out after dvd patcher, ie smooth, sharp images etc? compared to the original streamed video.
...............PIO is no go, DMA all the way...............
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tricky1
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30. September 2004 @ 12:19 |
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I am suprised myself at how good they really are. I can view the programs live or replay the recorded mpg's or authored dvd's from the computer tv out card ATI 9500 which has a 50' svideo and 50' Rca sound cables to a 4 in 1 out remote switch to the reciever then to a 47" TV, I also have a sat reciever that I can switch through so someone else can view different programing in another room while I watch either on the computer screen or the 47" tv. The picture seems to be as good coming through the computer as it is from the sat reciever. The only pixelation I get which is seldom, I can usually trace to the original mpeg, usually weather related like I said, most of my recording is done while I am asleep so I dont know if we have had any rain fade....as the satellite servers like to say :) I dont sit through a recorded program prior to authoring and burning so if afterward I find it too bad I would ditch it and record it again later.
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baabaa
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30. September 2004 @ 13:17 |
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Yeah, I can imagine it 'blips' abit during bad weather.
Still sounds like you have a nice setup there.
I was wondering whether there was a noticable difference between the signal received before MPEG and after because the lower bitrates may have a bearing on the outcome of your burns.
Does dvd patcher increase the screen resolution or does it retain the original format of 544x480?
...............PIO is no go, DMA all the way...............
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