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Corndog
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_ 		28. September 2004 @ 17:45 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Hi,

I just received an order from Meritline. I ordered 500 Ridata Ritek G04 4X DVD-R discs. I actually received 500 Taiyo Yuden TYG02 4X discs.

My question is: Are these disc compatible with my NEC 2510A, and are they at least the quality of disc as the Ritek G04?

I have previously used the Ritek discs and was very pleased with them. I just don't want to keep these discs if they are going to give me problems.

Thanks,

Corndog
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Nephilim
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_ 		28. September 2004 @ 19:32 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
*moved from CDR Media*

If you recieved true Taiyo Yuden media then you made out like a bandit. TY is among the best media to be had.
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This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 28. September 2004 @ 19:33
ricster
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_ 		29. September 2004 @ 03:55 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
This is the media list for your drive:

http://www.de.nec.de/software/1579_Media_List_for_8x_DVD_Writer_(1.07).pdf
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Corndog
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_ 		29. September 2004 @ 04:21 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
ricster,

You gave me a bad link.
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ricster
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Think the .pdf got chopped. Make sure it's on the end there.
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Corndog
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_ 		29. September 2004 @ 21:03 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Nephilim,

They are the Taiyo Yuden TYG02 discs. I used DVD Identifier to find out what kind of discs they are.

These discs are listed in the NEC list of recommended discs, but when I burn a disc it goes through the process all the way to the 100% and then I receive an error about not being able to set the disc at once option. The burned disc will play on my stand alone player.

I flashed the firmware from 2.15 to 2.16 thinking this would correct the issue, but I am still getting the same error.

Below is the log that Nero produces at the end of the burn. Any help would be geatly appreciated.

Start of Log:

[serial removed by mod]
Windows XP 5.1
IA32
WinAspi: -
ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Ahead\Nero\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.59, size=160016 bytes, created 12/16/2003 8:18:06 PM
Nero API version: 6.3.1.17
Using interface version: 6.3.1.4
Installed in: C:\Program Files\Ahead\Nero\
Application: ahead\Nero - Burning Rom
Recorder: <_NEC DVD_RW ND-2510A> Version: 2.16 - HA 3 TA 0 - 6.3.1.17
Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 3
Drive buffer : 2048kB
Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI

=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
DiskPeripheral : Maxtor 6Y080P0 atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : AOPEN DVD1648/AAP atapi Port 0 ID 1 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : _NEC DVD_RW ND-2510A atapi Port 3 ID 0 DMA: On

=== CDRom-Device-Map ===
AOPEN DVD1648/AAP D: CDRom0
_NEC DVD_RW ND-2510A E: CDRom1
=======================

AutoRun : 1
Excluded drive IDs:
WriteBufferSize: 74448896 (0) Byte
ShowDrvBufStat : 0
BUFE : 0
Physical memory : 511MB (523756kB)
Free physical memory: 222MB (227628kB)
Memory in use : 56 %
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Use Static Write Speed Table: 0
Use Inquiry : 1
Global Bus Type: default (0)
Check supported media : Disabled (0)

30.9.2004
NeroAPI
12:35:49 AM #1 Phase 112 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 273
DVD-Video files reallocation started

12:35:49 AM #2 Phase 114 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 273
DVD-Video files reallocation completed (no file modified)

12:35:49 AM #3 Phase 111 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 273
DVD-Video files sorted

12:35:49 AM #4 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 5116
Booktype counter: 500

12:35:49 AM #5 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 118
Reader running

12:35:49 AM #6 Text 0 File AudioCompilationImpl.cpp, Line 817
DRM: StartDrmRecording(RealRec:1, ImageRec:0, Copies:1)
DRM: Beginning burn process.

12:35:49 AM #7 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 124
Writer _NEC DVD_RW ND-2510A running

12:35:49 AM #8 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3899
First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

12:35:49 AM #9 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3899
First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

12:35:49 AM #10 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3172
Turn on Disc-At-Once, using DVD media

12:35:49 AM #11 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 245
Last possible write address on media: 2298495 (510:46.45, 4489MB)
Last address to be written: 2286095 (508:01.20, 4465MB)

12:35:49 AM #12 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 257
Write in overburning mode: NO

12:35:49 AM #13 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2137
Recorder: _NEC DVD_RW ND-2510A, Media type: DVD-R
Disc Manufacturer: TYG02 -
Disc Application Code: 64, Disc Physical Code: 193

12:35:49 AM #14 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 418
>>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
=========================================

12:35:49 AM #15 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 813
Setup items (after recorder preparation)
0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (CTransferItem)
2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
original disc pos #0 + 2286096 (2286096) = #2286096/508:1.21
relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/required, no patch infos
-> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 2286096 blocks [_NEC DVD_RW ND-2510A ]
--------------------------------------------------------------

12:35:49 AM #16 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 984
Prepare recorder [_NEC DVD_RW ND-2510A ] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
DAO infos:
==========
MCN: ""
TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
Tracks 1 to 1:
1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 4681924608, ISRC ""
DAO layout:
===========
__Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_RecDep_|_CtrlAdr_
0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
0 | 1 | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
0 | 1 | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41
2286096 | lead-out | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41

12:35:49 AM #17 Phase 24 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 273
Caching of files started

12:35:49 AM #18 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4182
Cache writing successful.

12:35:49 AM #19 Phase 25 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 273
Caching of files completed

12:35:49 AM #20 Phase 36 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 273
Burn process started at 8x (11,080 KB/s)

12:35:49 AM #21 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2344
Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

12:35:49 AM #22 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 1879
Recording mode: Sequential Recording Mode

12:35:49 AM #23 Text 0 File Mmc.cpp, Line 20401
Set BUFE: supported -> ON

12:35:49 AM #24 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2020
Start write address at LBA 0
DVD high compatibility mode: Yes

12:35:49 AM #25 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 8128
---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
Book Type: DVD-R (2), Part Version: 5
Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: recordable
Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track
Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
End Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 26127F h
End Sector Number in Layer 0: 0 h
Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
Start sector number of the current Border-Out: 2FE10 h
Start sector number of the next Border-In: 2FFA0 h
Media Specific [16..63]:
00 20 01 02 00 04 00 06 - 00 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00 02 FE 10 00 02 FF A0 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

12:35:49 AM #26 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 5116
Booktype counter: 500

12:35:49 AM #27 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 5116
Booktype counter: 500

12:35:49 AM #28 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 4479
Drive: _NEC DVD_RW ND-2510A
Booktype request: DVD-ROM
Booktype setting not supported for the loaded disc type

12:35:52 AM #29 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1294
00:35:52.421 - _NEC DVD_RW ND-2510A\H3 T0 : Queue again later

12:45:49 AM #30 Text 0 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 115
<_NEC DVD_RW ND-2510A > start writing Lead-Out at LBA 2286096 (22E210h), lenght 0 blocks

12:45:49 AM #31 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 229
all writers idle, stopping conversion

12:45:49 AM #32 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2256
EndDAO: Last written address was 2286095

12:46:28 AM #33 SCSI -1093 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1188
SCSI Exec, HA 3, TA 0, LUN 0
Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
Sense Key: 0x03 (KEY_MEDIUM_ERROR)
Sense Code: 0x02
Sense Qual: 0x00
CDB Data: 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00
Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x03 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0A
0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x02 0x00

12:46:28 AM #34 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 5116
Booktype counter: 500

12:46:28 AM #35 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 4479
Drive: _NEC DVD_RW ND-2510A
Booktype request: DVD+R Double Layer
Booktype setting not supported for the loaded disc type

12:46:28 AM #36 CDR -1093 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1708
No seek complete

12:46:28 AM #37 TRANSFER -24 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1708
Could not perform end of Disc-at-once

12:46:28 AM #38 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2256
EndDAO: Last written address was -1

12:46:28 AM #39 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 5116
Booktype counter: 500

12:46:28 AM #40 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 4479
Drive: _NEC DVD_RW ND-2510A
Booktype request: DVD+R Double Layer
Booktype setting not supported for the loaded disc type

12:46:28 AM #41 Phase 38 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 273
Burn process failed at -2,147,472,498 KB/s

12:46:28 AM #42 Text 0 File AudioCompilationImpl.cpp, Line 828
DRM: DRM burn session terminated.

12:46:28 AM #43 Text 0 File AudioCompilationImpl.cpp, Line 857
DRM: Closing entire DRM handling. Bye.

12:46:31 AM #44 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 5116
Booktype counter: 500


Existing drivers:
File 'WNASPINT.DLL': Ver=V1.20, size=57344 bytes, created 2/4/2003 8:24:08 AM

Registry Keys:
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)

End of log.

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This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 30. September 2004 @ 00:36
Nephilim
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_ 		30. September 2004 @ 19:13 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
It's odd that something as good as TY if failing like that especially since it's on the list of recommenmded media (though TY is on almost every one!).

Let's see if we can get our resident Nero guru, ccampbell, to give us some insight :)
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ricster
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_ 		30. September 2004 @ 22:51 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I'm sure I've seen this before. Does Nero think that your recorder supports Disc-at-Once ? Go into Choose Recorder and look at its properties.
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Corndog
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_ 		1. October 2004 @ 06:54 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
ricster,

You are correct, Nero does show "Disc-at-once" supported. How does one disable this? I couldn't find anywhere to disable it.

Thanks to all of you for your input. I REALLY do appreciate your help. It would be great if I didn't have to return the discs.
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ccampbell
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_ 		1. October 2004 @ 08:53 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Hi Corndog,

When reading any error log, you need to be aware that the very FIRST error message you get is the True problem. Any error message that follows is just a result of the first error message, like a 'Domino Effect'.

In your case, as you can see from the excerpt below of your log file, You recieved a 'Key_Medium_Error' message, which translates to a 'No Seek Complete'. This means the Recorder was unable to determine a begining and End write. Before any write operation occurs, the recorder does a seek at the begining and middle of the media to determine if it can write to the disc, and also what power level to use for writing to the disc, as each disc is different, even if its from the same MFG and same batch of media.

I would recommend that you make sure you have the latest firmware for your recorder, as this is the normal resolution, and make sure you have our latest Nero software. If you still have issues, then it could be caused by:

1) Poor meida
2) Dust on the media
3) Dust on the optical head
4) Poor power to the recorder
5) The Recorder over heating (Provide good airflow above and especially below the recorder where the circuit board is located).

Just to name a few possible causes.



12:45:49 AM #32 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2256
EndDAO: Last written address was 2286095

12:46:28 AM #33 SCSI -1093 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1188
SCSI Exec, HA 3, TA 0, LUN 0
Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
Sense Key: 0x03 (KEY_MEDIUM_ERROR)
Sense Code: 0x02
Sense Qual: 0x00
CDB Data: 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00
Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x03 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0A
0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x02 0x00

12:46:28 AM #34 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 5116
Booktype counter: 500

12:46:28 AM #35 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 4479
Drive: _NEC DVD_RW ND-2510A
Booktype request: DVD+R Double Layer
Booktype setting not supported for the loaded disc type

12:46:28 AM #36 CDR -1093 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1708
No seek complete


Regards,

Craig

Ahead Software
USA
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Corndog
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_ 		1. October 2004 @ 10:25 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Craig,

Thankyou for your input. I have already flashed the firmware as previously stated. I have the latest update to Nero installed. I can burn Ritek G04 disc perfectly, so I assume it is the TY disc, which are problematic. So is the Disc-at-once setting a non-issue?
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ccampbell
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_ 		1. October 2004 @ 11:14 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Yes, DAO is a non issue. Any DVD write operation is DAO, as the DVD standard does not support TAO.

Regards,

Craig

Ahead Software
USA
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