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paul5619
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10. November 2004 @ 12:33 |
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whats the difference between branded media and over-prints....
just ordered some ridisc (branded ritek) discs.
are these any good?
keep reading people going on about ritek g04
whats the difference?
also read people on about the dye on these discs,
whats this mean and what difference does it make.
anyone?
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kchev
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10. November 2004 @ 13:28 |
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Ridisc is not very good quality.
Ridata "branded" should be what to look for with the G04 dye.
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paul5619
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11. November 2004 @ 05:15 |
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thanx.
still dont understand the following whats g04 dye?
whats the difference between branded and over-prints?
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kchev
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11. November 2004 @ 06:16 |
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G04 dye is what the Ridata "branded" discs use and is the best DVD-R dye. You have to be careful because just because it says it is G04 doesn't mean it is good. That is where the low-grade overprints come in at. Places get their hands on this low quality crap and "overprint" the label on the disc to look different.
"Branded" means that the name "Ridata" is physically printed on the top of the disc. An overprint will usually be blank and will not have the "brand" name on it.
Just order from a reputable online reseller and you will have alot less headaches and get good quality media. I only use rima and newegg. Alot of people like meritline also, but their customer satisfaction can be a bit crappy.
http://www.resellerratings.com/
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21. November 2004 @ 09:29 |
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Alot of people like meritline also, but their customer satisfaction can be a bit crappy.
Not sure where you get that. I and many others have used meritline and NEVER had problems with their support. I got one bad disc out of 100 one time and they sent one to replace it and gave me a 5.00 off coupon on my next purchase.
Once I ordered the wrong brand by mistake and they sent me a refund when I told them about my mistake before I even sent the wrong ones back!
They don't charge shipping on all my media orders, they don't charge a restocking fee for returns and you can send a pack of media back even if you have opened it for a full refund.
I've been using them over a year and they consistently have the best prices 9 out of 10 times. There are thousands of others who feel the same way. I recommend them ALL the time to newbies and I've yet to hear one complaint.
Soooo, I would be curious to know where you heard their customer support can be crappy. Or if it happened to you, I would like to hear what happened, if you don't mind :>)
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kchev
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21. November 2004 @ 18:51 |
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21. November 2004 @ 20:13 |
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... The last time I ordered media from Meritline, it took 25 days from the time they charged my CC until the time I received my order ... They claimed that they "misplaced" my order, but until they "found" it somewhere at their site I had to order more media from NewEgg (which is where I now do business) ... I had been a very regular Meritline customer, having spent several thousand dollars there ... Until my "lost" order, I had been very satisfied with them ... Never again ...
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21. November 2004 @ 22:08 |
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I have bought media at both places mentioned above and never really had a problem with either one. I do have to say I like NewEgg more just because of speed of service and thats where I buy all my hardware :-)
but I usually do the best (If just shopping for media) at Supermedia store http://www.supermediastore.com/index.html
The sights that sell just media seem to have a lot more selection of blank media than newegg, and that is the only reason I would get my DVDR's there because none of them beat NewEggs service. Supermedia and Rima are also usually cheaper than newegg, not much and not always, but they just have more of a selection. These Riteks aren't everything they are cracked up to be either Taiyo Yuden is top of the line. Don't get me wrong the Riteks are good but not near the quality of the Taiyo Yuden. Also this branded crap everyone is talking about I don't really know why you would care if it's branded or not the Ritek disk's that you can print on arent branded and they are still g04 (does this make them no good?). Thing is no matter what disk you buy at first just buy as few as possible I would reccomend to buy a variety of 4 to 5 diffent ones (1ea of course) and you decide what one works best for you as everyone's Burners, Stand alone player's, & PC's are different. What works for one person dosent neccesarily mean it will work for you. I have had some of the cheapest disk's out there work like a charme and some of the most expensive have a 20% failure rate. So the best thing to do is just try some out and when you get one you like stick with it..
Good Luck :-)
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21. November 2004 @ 22:15 |
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One more thig the sight listed above by kchev rated Rima.com a 10 and Supermedia a 7.45 and newegg a 9.58
Not sure what this means just thought I would throw that out there.. Take it for what it's worth I guess?
Dont believe everything you read LOL
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22. November 2004 @ 06:07 |
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... A "branded" disc doesn't necessarily mean that the name in printed out on the surface of the disc ... In some cases (especially on printable discs) this could mean that the brand name is pressed into the hub area of the disc ... as long as the brand name appears somewhere, somehow on the disc, it is considered to be a "branded" disc ...
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22. November 2004 @ 08:07 |
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Ok look... I have Ritek G04's at least thats what disk detector tells me :-) They have no hub because white label goes all the way to the middle.. So don't get to hung up on branded or not. Just be sure you are buying from a reputable place and they have a good return policy if you don't like what you get. Always run your disk's threw Disc Detector or a like program to see who manufactured your disk. Another thing I also have used TDK, Taiyo Yuden, Maxell, Verbatim, Memorex, Optodisc, & Prodisc. I would say out of all of them hmmm well here is how I would rate them all..
1. Taiyo Yuden (You can't go wrong with these)
2. Prodisc (Not branded, but never had a coaster from one & they are cheap)
3. TDK
4. (TIE) Maxell & Verbatim
5. Optodisc (Wasen't to bad, but a few coasters)
6. Memorex (They need to stick with Tape's)
Now you can take that for what it is worth because like I always say what works well for one person will not always work for another.
Just a little more info.. Burners NEC 3500A & 2500A.
Good luck with your disk search and remember find one that works best for you don't get to hung up on what others say... :-)
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22. November 2004 @ 13:43 |
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So don't get to hung up on branded or not.
Actually that's not true, There were just a batch of fake Taiyo Yudens out that weren't branded but read TY's in dvdinfopro or dvd identifier. Yet they were fakes. They weren't branded either.
look at this forum... http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=103828
I recommend everyone get branded media. If you don't you may get the real thing, you may not. But at 2-3 cents more a disc, it's well worth it to me if it's branded, you "know" what you are getting.
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22. November 2004 @ 13:53 |
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catfreak,
sorry for your mishap with meritline but it sounds like they were giving good service up until that point. Anyway, I have spent well into four figures with them and they have always been A-1 including getting my orders in 2-3 days. And I've never seen a better return policy.
I guess everyone screws up now and then, the old saying "you can't please everybody all the time...."
I have used Newegg also, no complaints there either, but I got crap service from Supermedia and I'll never go back there again.
But I'll stick with meritline until they let me down, so far tho, thumbs up!
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29. November 2004 @ 03:17 |
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Have you all experiece buring with maxwell disc? I checked out http://www.officedepot.com/ddSKU.do?level=SK&id=582488
and see they have this sale going on. I never use maxwell to burn ps2 games b4 and i dont wanna waste my money. A little helpwill b very appreciated.Thanks
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29. November 2004 @ 03:29 |
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Well, I've heard recently that Maxell is now farming out their media from several sources now. You are paying .40 each for the ones you are looking at, I believe I'd stick with Ritek 4x -R which you can get for .40 to .45 each with free shipping.
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29. November 2004 @ 03:37 |
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which website you're buying at, the last time i bought at allmediaoutlet.com, the process completes in 1 day but the butthole fedex they chose to ship my ritek go4 took 10 days to deliver. i hope the 1 u dealt with is not the 1 i used cause right now i'm pissed at fedex
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29. November 2004 @ 03:39 |
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Actually I use Meritline and Newegg. Both use UPS or USPS and deliver to me in about 3-5 days.
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29. November 2004 @ 06:44 |
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I can't still understand why people rate Taiyo Yuden Higher than Verbatim, is this religion or are we talking about facts? Fact is that I NEVER saw a review or shootout (in germany, UK & USA) where Taiyo Yuden was not beaten by Verbatim.
After reading so many media reviews, shootouts and roundups the ranking should be:
1. Verbatim +R -R (MCC)
2. TDK +R -R (TT)
3. Ricoh, SONY (Ricohjpn)
4. Maxell -R (Ritek)
5. FUJI +R -R (TY)
Benq -R (Sony)
6. Platinum -R (Ritek)
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29. November 2004 @ 16:20 |
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Hey why you put Ritek in (), does it mean Ritek makes Maxwell? I check office depot online and see they have a special on a 50-pack Maxwell DVD-R for only 20 bucks, that's like 30bucks less than usual. Wondering if that's what you meant. But by the way, I thought Maxwel is the best media out there since it is the most expensive one too. Verbantim only costs 50cents while Mxwell costs 1.14
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29. November 2004 @ 16:58 |
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... First of all the name of the discs is Maxell not Maxwell ... Second, the price of the discs really doesn't indicate just how good they are only how much someone has decided to charge for them ... Third, Maxell discs are made by Maxell, Ritek, Ricoh(Jpn) and Taiyo Yuden and you can't really tell which one unless you ID them with a program ... (but all 4 are very good!)
... I personally think that Maxell is the best store brand since they NEVER use CMC as a manufacturer (Verbatim does on occasion) ... However, that is my personal opinion and is subject to debate ...
... I say buy the Maxell discs for $20/50, it's a killer deal and you'll be very happy with them ...
... Here is a good deal for MCC (excellent media) produced ProDisc DVD-R media @ $27/100 ...
http://www.supermediastore.com/pr4xdvsi4100.html?source=afterdawn1129
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29. November 2004 @ 17:49 |
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Thank u 4 the spelling error. Now my result of searching has returned correctly, lol.
But since they make each other dvd disc. I just stick with Riteck G04 then. Since the disc works great. THere is no reason to jump into another disc to find out the compatibility of my ps2 w/ other discs.
I think Maxell might perfom bettter with video burning but how do you tell the different if one disc is better burning w/ video compares to the other?
For example, Memorex, Maxell, and RItek both burn a video. How you know which 1 is better? Is it the sound, th picture? or the speed(may b).
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30. November 2004 @ 04:41 |
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... The way that I tell how good a disc is, is by trying to play the video in different DVD players ... We have a total of six in the house and not very many brands of media will play in all six ... (RiDATA branded Ritek is one of the few that will) ...
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3. December 2004 @ 02:42 |
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I'll just start from the top. More misconceptions in here than the carter pill analogy. Though there were some problems in Europe with ripoffs involving RiDisc media, the problem didn't appear to occur in the North American Market. RiDisc is a branded media and the G04 is the Ritek G04. Just as a Ricohjpn disc can be either Imation, Maxell, Fuji or a number of other brands. All branded media (different brands), but made by the same manufacturer. Ritek makes branded media for several companies, including its own brand. "Branded" as in brand and the brand is stamped or imprinted somewhere on the media; usually prominently placed. An example is Ritek-Ridata branded media, past orders of the 4X was a +R product with a RICOHJPN production code. Branded Ritek-RiData produced by Ricoh. One needs to learn "Branded"/brand and manufacturer associations. Verbatim is a good brand, however their media is made by different top manufacturers, the same goes for other companies.
Over prints are usually the product of an overrun on the production line. The product is the same grade, just too many were made for the orders. Usually these overprints are produced for bulk sales to move the over produced product. As long as the overprints come from a reputable company they are as good as the regular branded product. In the case of over printed GO4s these are normally as good. The problem is dealing with a reputable company and know where the media came from and the manufacturer. sometimes that can be a gamble. A lot of people opt for the added security of the branded product.
The question comes up about G04 dye. G04 is the production designation for the Ritek -R 4X media;RITEKG04. Ritek used a good dye for this particular media. However, in the recent past, the type dye has changed, yet the disignation is still RITEKG04. Rumor has it the new dye isn't as good. G04 is a production designation and obviously the dye formulation can change. The raving was due to the G04 media giving good results for a long time and a lot had to do with the quality dye used in the process. Of course they had to use other good components as well, the disc consists of more than just dye.
Now let me pick up on some of these ridiculous media lineups. I'll just do the one by HiRezHead to show some of the misconceptions. Here's his list as posted.
1. Verbatim +R -R (MCC)
2. TDK +R -R (TT)
3. Ricoh, SONY (Ricohjpn)
4. Maxell -R (Ritek)
5. FUJI +R -R (TY)
Benq -R (Sony)
6. Platinum -R (Ritek)
The biggest mistake here is associating one manufacturer per brand or even the same manufacturer for both + and - media in the same line. I'll use this same list to show the error.
1. Verbatim +R MCC (metal azo); CMC Magnetics; TY (metal AZO); Ricohjpn
-R MCC; CMC
2. TDK +R TDK; Ricohjpn;
-R TT; TY; MCC
3. Ricoh, +R Ricohjpn
SONY +R Ricohjpn, MCC
-R MCC, Sony
4. Maxell +R Ricohjpn; Ritek; TY
-R MXL; Mcc
5. FUJI +R Ricohjpn; TY
-R Pioneer, Prodisc
Benq -R (Sony)
+R Daxon
6. Platinum +R Ricohjpn
-R (Ritek) Didn't show in database.
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I can't still understand why people rate Taiyo Yuden Higher than Verbatim, is this religion or are we talking about facts? Fact is that I NEVER saw a review or shootout (in germany, UK & USA) where Taiyo Yuden was not beaten by Verbatim.
Now you can see how ridiculous the statement is. Taiyo Yuden manufactures Verbatim. Not only that, TY also manufactures for TDK, Maxell and Fuji on that list. Ricoh is at number 3 but the Ricohjpn is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6. Ricoh is the Generic brand for Ricohjpn. I guess you can see how foolish these shootout comparisons can be; especially when you go by brands and don't know the manufacturers. I've even seen these done with a mix of manufactureres and brands. Those are really ridiculous. Note all the manufacturers left off the first list. Sorry HiRezHead, you were way off base on that one. The rest of you can look at the info accordingly; HiRezHead wasn't the only one wrong.
Another questionable practice is using players to say whether a media is good or not. With that you are only dealing with compatibility. Most good media will play in players they are compatible with. Some old players won't even play a recorded disc, some only -R, some only +R. Newer players will play everything including CDs. If a player is compatible for a certain media, and then one brand works and another doesn't, then you can ask questions (but make sure you're using the same format in both brands). As I said, most players play the media they were built to play and the manufacturers have the compatibility problems worked out. In fact too many people mistake compatibility and playability with quality and that isn't always the case. A disc can record well and play well and not have a long life span.
This media business is pretty complicated and the brands are not inclined to let the consumer know the manufacturers and those can change quickly. So you can see the problem. Memorex used to be and excellent brand. -R was made by Ritek and MCC and +R was made by Ricoh. Now the majority of all Memorex media is made by CMC (mediocre brand). You can use the chart I supplied to scope out some brands to get the manufactured disc you want. I just purchased a bulk batch of Fuji +R and I knew I was getting Ricoh or TY, both good media. For a safe bet, you can go with Ritek and Ricoh; you know the manufacturer. I've found it safer recently to buy +R in brands like Maxell, Imation, and Fuji in order to have a good idea of what manufactured product I was buying. All this was branded merchandise. Which brings me to the final thought. There is good over run merchandise out there that can be bought in bulk. If not bought from a reputable dealer with a good guarantee, there is a gamble. The reputable dealer and good guarantee goes for any purchase.
I've always been able to buy branded merchandise on sale for near the same or lower prices than the bulk over run merchandise. Meritline, Newegg and a number of other etailers normally give excellent service and good shipment. Occasionally you hear the horror story or the disgruntled shopper. The funny thing is the upset customer is far more vocal than the satisfied customer and which do you think you're most likely to hear from. Go figure. By the way, be careful of sites that advertise and then give retailer and merchandise ratings. Not many will knock their advertisers.
I'm no expert and I learned a lot by trial and error. Most of what I've put in here is just a common sense approach to a problem the retail media sales has placed on the consumer. The matched media and manufacturers in the chart can be of some use. I guess the biggest point is that media is so shrouded in confusion that most people hear a lot of stories and after a while they start thinking it is true. Sort of true about most rumors. Most of what I've assembled here is verifiable as it relates to the charted media info which came from a reliable database. In fact I encourage members to download free tools like DVDInfoPro and DVD Identifier and start checking their media. At least then you can start making realistic comparisons of the media you've been using. A Ricohjpn disc from Maxell can be the same as the Imation, same media different brand. Good luck and I hope no one suffers from the rumor mill. Buy good branded media and try to know what that brand is selling. If you gamble on media at least deal with a reputable dealer.
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3. December 2004 @ 07:36 |
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OK, it is difficult...I see.
MCC:
Here in Germany (I'm not a german BTW), you get ONLY MCC when you buy Verbatim. I never saw an UK or German review online or in the magazines where Verbatim brand was made by others than MCC, and in all these reviews, tests and comparisons Verbatim (MCC) DVD+R is beating the hell out of the competition, DVD-R (MCC) is just slightly worse but still excellent - note: Most of this comparisons were made with different burners and were tested on different players (ROM and home players).
Ritek:
There seems to be different qualities of these discs (maybe selection?) cos the Riteks made for Maxell are the best! Some brands with Ritek discs are not very good.
RICOHJPN:
Always very very good results but also slight differences between brands, i.e.: Fuji is slightly better than Traxdata but Traxdata is better in terms of compatibility (both RICOHJPN R01). SONY and Fuji brands were made by Ricoh (at least here in Germany) cos the real SONY and Fuji discs are not that as good as Ricoh and were sold by Benq (SONY08D1) and Intenso (FUJIFILM03).
At least for Europe this ranking has it's meaning cos it was destilled from many many comparisons:
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1. Verbatim +R -R (MCC 003 & MCC 02RG20)
2. TDK +R -R (TTG01) note: with -R Problems with Plextor burners!
3. Ricoh, SONY (RICOHJPN R01)
4. Maxell -R (RITEK G04)
5. FUJI +R (RICOHJPN R01)
Benq -R (SONY08D1)
6. Platinum -R (RITEK G05)
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3. December 2004 @ 07:54 |
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BTW, here are the worst:
MAM4XG02
SONY branded discs with no ID
GSC002
OPTODISCR004
MCI
VDSMASAB
TAIYO YUDEN G02 (note: ONLY Plextor branded media! Other brands with TYG02 are very good)
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