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merging 2 avi files
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paulsy
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28. January 2005 @ 09:25 |
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hi everybody..Is it possible to merge 2 avi files togather (ie.1of1 2of2)using nerovision express,if not what would be the easiest software to use,i've tried nero with no success am i just missing something?
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Minion
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28. January 2005 @ 14:28 |
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Nero Vision Express sucks big Time ...It is definately for Poeple who are to lazy to learn how to do it the right way and have No concern for Quality...
If you want to Join these 2 AVI files into a single AVI file first the 2 Files have to have the exact same Properties and can not have VBR audio..
You can easilly Join these 2 AVI files useing "Virtual-Dub" ...This is How you do it...First Run Virtual-Dub and Load in AVI file Part 1 , Then go to "Video" and set it to "Direct Stream Copy" and then go to "Audio" and set it to "Direct stream copy" (If you got an message when Loading in the AVI file that the audio is VBR then set it to "Full Processing Mode") Now go to "file" to "Append AVI Segment" and then Load in Part 2....Now just go to "file" to "save as AVI" and Give the File a Name and save it and in a Few Minutes it will join the 2 AVI files into One File....
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bazilla
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28. January 2005 @ 14:48 |
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Minion,
What quality control do I lose using NVE? Assume that the desired end product is a VOB file.
BTW, I know how to use VirtualDub to join two avi's. But you fail to mention that they have to have identical formats (and the same codec, maybe?). You cannot just willy nilly append AVI segments.
So what do you suggest when the two avi's are not of identical format?
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Minion
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28. January 2005 @ 15:07 |
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NVE uses one of the Worst Quality Mpeg encoders ever Created...It is Just awefull compared to the Professinal Quality encoders I use...I can Get 2 Movies on a Single DVD-r with Better quality than NVE can do with Just a Single Movie per DVD-R.....
Generally if you have 2 AVI files of the Same Movie and you downloaded them from the same Place then they should have Identical Properties But if Not then what I suggest you do is encode each AVI file seperately to the Same Mpeg-2/DVD format useing the same settings for both Files and then after each Part has been encoded to Mpeg-2 you Join them into a Single File and author them to DVD.....
You can Not Join 2 Files with Different Properties unless you re-encode both Files so they are the Same which will Just totally ruin the quality.....
You can use TMPGEnc to Encode the AVI file to Mpeg-2 and use it"s "Mpeg tools" to join the 2 Files together.....
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bazilla
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28. January 2005 @ 15:48 |
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Thanks, Minion.
I was hoping, though, for some kind of "objective" explanation of what you meant by "quality." Not to argue, but to learn.
And how much more expensive are the "professional quality" encoders? Is there a quality/cost tradeoff here that one might reasonably consider?
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28. January 2005 @ 16:48 |
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You could always encode each AVI separately, then join them in DVDLab.
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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Minion
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28. January 2005 @ 23:27 |
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I thought I gave a explanation of Quality?..well sort of....lol.
I said that with a High Quality encoder I can get twice as Much Video on a DVD with the same or better Quality than NVE can do with only one Movie on a DVD-R...Which I guess means that NVE is about Half as Good as a real Encoder....
You shouldn"t have any problems Finding a Good Quality encoder For free as all software is free if you Know were to look....
The encoder I use is CinemaCraft encoder 2.70 which is the Highest quality and fastest encoder arround and also the Most Complicated to use and the Most expensive with a Retail price of about $2000 US but the Quality is superb when it is set up correctly and it encodes exelent Quality at very Low Bitrates....
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paulsy
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29. January 2005 @ 00:40 |
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thanks for the reply's boys,as you probobaly gathered i'm still a bit of an novice at this,but i'm learning i'm burning dvd's with some success now and thougt this was maybe the next step.all the best p.
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29. January 2005 @ 01:13 |
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CCE is the best for sure,but it's too bad you don't have Procoder Paulsy. there wouln't be anything complicated about joining the 2 AVI files together if you did. And Procoder can do wonders with an AVI to dvd job. But it's pricey too. 500 bones, bud. But it is SO worth it. And yeah there is an option to merge files in Nerovision, check out the help file, but i have ot agree with Minion, don't use Nerovision if you can help it. Unless youre pressed for time.
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paulsy
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29. January 2005 @ 02:12 |
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jeez..malcdogg that big bucks won't even try and convert that to Belfast speak,think i'll have a look at virtual dub and dvd lab and see what the craic is,i'm getting the impression Nero is'nt all its cracked up to be....P
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bazilla
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29. January 2005 @ 03:15 |
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Paulsy,
If you've got NeroVision Express, you shouldn't let Minion's opinion (hey, it ryhmes!) stop you from using it. If the quality of the output is not to your liking, then you can always explore alternatives. But many of us use it, and for the occasional user who is not likely to want to spend $2000 on a professional quality encoder, it produces satisfactory results.
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I said that with a High Quality encoder I can get twice as Much Video on a DVD with the same or better Quality than NVE can do with only one Movie on a DVD-R
So your definition of "quality" is the ability to encode twice as much on a dvd without a loss of quality? Ever heard of "circular reasoning?" How does that give me a tangible, objective, understanding of what you mean by "quality?" Are you saying that if you put the two avi's on a dvd with Nero, that the image would be "more fuzzy"? Is that it? Okay, "how much more fuzzy?" Something that is going to make the occasional encoder go out and spend $2000 to overcome?
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but the Quality is superb when it is set up correctly and it encodes exelent Quality at very Low Bitrates....
So that's what we're talking about! Now we are getting somewhere. But can you be more specific about just what "very low" means here?
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You shouldn"t have any problems Finding a Good Quality encoder For free as all software is free if you Know were to look....
You are the second person I've encountered at AD to ridicule people who use NVE and then all but come right out and tell them that they should go pirate a piece of $2000 software. I don't care how long you've been around AD, the mods should censure you for behavior like that.
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bazilla
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29. January 2005 @ 03:22 |
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Macldogg,
Do you have any opinions about Procoder Express? There's a big difference in price. What does one give up in going for the cheaper version?
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paulsy
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29. January 2005 @ 03:27 |
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sorry boy's i did'nt mean to start an arguement,don't be falling out,i downloaded virtual dub to give it a go and i am having a bit of bother with it,i opened a new thread with the problem (not sure if it was the right thing to do,don't want to get shouted at don't you know)all the best P.
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Minion
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29. January 2005 @ 12:22 |
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bazilla: If you don"t Like My advice Don"t ask for it..
I was never Rude to you so why are you being to Rude to Me ..I am Only here to share My Knowlege in this area....
I don"t see why you think when I said:
"You can Find Software for free if you Know were to Look"
Had anything to do with Piracy?? I don"t see any Mention of it in My Statement...
What you Do is you Contact someone at the Software company for the Product you want and you tell them you Own a small Studio with say a Dozzen Video editing Workststions and you want to Try a Full version of there Product and if you Like it you would be Willing to Buy Licenses for every Worstation....
I have gotten Thousands of Dollars of free software this way 100% Legally accept for me it was My Boss who Contacted the Software Companies who actually does Own a Large Studio...We are Now on a Mailing List with a Bunch of Major Software Companies and we Get New Software allmost every Day and My Boss puts most of it in the Freebie Basket in the Coffee Room for whoom ever wants it....
I have never or will Never use Pirated software and I don"t need to as I get everything I could ever want for free and so can you if you Play your Cards Right...
I would like the Appoligy in writeing Please...LOL
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29. January 2005 @ 19:05 |
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Bazilla, I've never used Express before, so im not sure if it has the merge function. As far as i could see it's the same as the wizard in Procoder 2. So for ease of use and quality, i would definetly recommed it. You can always Virtual Dub to merge your avi's first. Procoder is just easy as pie to use. BUT if you wanted to use Cinema Craft Enocoder, you WOULDN'T have to pay $2000 for it you could buy CCE Basic for around $50. Theres nothing wrong with Nero either really, it's a great Swiss Army Knife, but you WON'T get the same quality out of it as you would from a decent encoder. I'll give you what are (in my mind at least), the pros and the cons of CCE Basic and Procoder Express. Pros for Express- VERY easy to use to covert almost any video file to multiple formats with VERY high quality,+ for what you're trying to do, it will output you avi into vob files ready to burn right to DVD (hey you can use Nero for that!). Cons- can't use it with DVD-RB. Now CCE Basic. Pros-(IMHO) the BEST quality, AND you can use it with DVD-RB. Cons- It will time to learn to use right, not user friendly. Study up on them both before you make you decision. Now for anyone reading, i am NOT advocating piracy!
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bazilla
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31. January 2005 @ 04:11 |
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Minion.
Please accept my apology for misinterpreting you.
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g-funk
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2. February 2005 @ 20:52 |
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If you just want to join two similar avis, you could try Peck's Power Join. Just google it and you'll see it. I don't know what you want to do with them, but this is my answer to the OP.
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7. February 2005 @ 00:52 |
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bazilla
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7. February 2005 @ 03:21 |
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but my critisism mainly lies in its absolutely crappy encoder, which u cant even set your own video and audio bitrates that determin the output quality of your dvd, and lots of other socalled all in one dvd processing programs do the same, very basic settings and thats it.
glenminn,
I'm choosing to post this here, rather than pm you about it, because we need a public record to clear up the fud you are spreading here about NVE.
While NVE doesn't give you much control over audio (and if that's important to anyone, then they will want to look at something other than NVE), you can set the video bitrate to whatever you want. I routinely use the "custom" setting to get the highest bitrate possible for the video files I am burning. You can also choose between 1-Pass Fast Encoding and 2-pass High Quality (VBR) encoding. Other options include NTSC vs. PAL, and within these a choice of applicable resolutions.
If you are going to criticize, at least know what you are talking about before you do.
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7. February 2005 @ 04:13 |
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bazilla
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7. February 2005 @ 07:53 |
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glenpinn,
I don't get the attitude. You are the one who said your criticism was based on the fact that NVE doesn't allow setting the bitrate. All I said was that you were wrong, and that NVE can set the bitrate. Do you still deny it?
Did I say NVE was better than the software you are using? Quote me where.
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paulsy
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7. February 2005 @ 12:44 |
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hiya lads..not sure if i want to post this thread but i may aswell,i've tried Nero to merge the movie i downloaded coz it seemed to be the easiest for a newbie,have'nt been near my puter in a few days had the flu (everybody say ahhh.)had a problem with Nero it would let me import the files but it would'nt let me merge them togather to give the impression there was no break in the movie,i think when i watched it i lost about 20min somewere, i can see thee wee merge icon but as i went through the process it would'nt highlight if you know what i mean..please don't be fighting anymore I'M NOT WELL
PS if any mod's are looking in can i go back to being a newbie...all the best P
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bazilla
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8. February 2005 @ 05:22 |
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i can see thee wee merge icon but as i went through the process it would'nt highlight if you know what i mean.
Sorry to hear you've been sick, paulsy.
But no, I don't know what you mean. But let me give you a step by step intro to NVE. By the way, there is a very good user guide in the Nero folders (Start-->All Programs...Nero-->User Guides-->NeroVision Express).
1) Open NVE.
2) Select "Make DVD-->DVD Video".
3) Select "Make Movie." (Note that you can go directly to "Make Movie" from the opening screen. But if your ultimate objective is burn the movie to DVD, you'll want to do step 2) first, otherwise when you get to step 6) below and press "Next" it brings you back to the opening screen, and it is easy to get confused by that.)
This takes you to the main screen where you will load in the files you want to merge. There are three basic areas on this screen: a preview box to the left, a box to the right showing your "media files" (this is called the "Asset View" -- run your mouse over it and check out the tool tip), and a storyboard/timeline view at the bottom.
4) To merge two movies, browse to them, and add them to your project. You'll see a small blue icon at the left of the window pane where you load in your files ("Asset View") with a wee image of a magnifying glass. As you move your mouse over it, a tool tip says "Browse for media." This opens a standard windows dialog where you can locate the files you want to merge, and add them to your project. Note that you have two choices here, you can "browse" or "browse and add to project". I suggest you choose the first. This adds them to the Asset View, but doesn't actually add them to the movie timeline.
5) Once you have the media files you want to merge loaded into the "Asset View" drag them to the storyboard. For simple merges, I prefer the storyboard view. For more complex tasks, you would need to use the timeline view. Once you have them loaded into storyboard view, switch to timeline view. In timeline view, you can drag the marker through the movie to see if anything is missing. You can move the timeline view marker to anywhere you want, and press the "play" button on the preview pane and watch that part of the movie. Between timeline view and the preview pane, you should be able to tell whether the clips you are merging have gaps in them or are missing anything.
6) Once everything looks like you want it, press "Next."
7) The next thing you will probably want to do is to "Make Chapters." If so, select "Create Chapters." I think the process is reasonably intuitive, but if you need more help, just say so.
8) The next screen says "Content" (and underneath "Create and Arrange Titles For Your Project"). You could probably just skip this one, and move onto the next. But do note the "timeline" at the bottom, where you see how much of the dvd is filled up. This is where you can customize the bitrate to maximize video quality. While on this screen, select "More," then "Video Options." A dialog pops up, with a second tab on it labled "DVD-Video". Click on that tab, and you will see a number of options for Transcoding quality. Depending on the size of your movie, you can select one of the predefined settings (High Quality, Long Play, etc., or you can select "Custom." If you select "Custom" you can set the bitrate manually. While there are "bitrate calculators" to help you calculate the bitrate necessary to maximize the space available on the dvd, you can do it pretty quickly here through trial and error by finding the highest bitrate you can without the length of your movie going past the end of the dvd shown in the timeline at the bottom of the current screen.
9) Once you have your dvd video quality settings taken care of, press "Next". (BTW, holding the mouse over the "Next" button tells you what comes next!) The next screen is where you build your menu. Like creating chapters, I'll skip the details on that for now.
10) Now pressing "Next" takes you to a final preview dialog where you can examine the results of your project (test the menu, watch everything play, etc.)
11) At last, pressing "Next" one more time brings us to the dialog where we "burn" our project. Here "burn" is a bit ambiguous. It is really a two-part process. In the first part, the source files have to be transcoded --converted to mpeg2 and encoded as VOB files, along with the other parts of a VIDEO_TS folder. The second part is the actual burn -- copying the created VIDEO_TS folder to the dvd. I always do the first "burn" to the hard drive. Typically, this will be the longest part of the "burn," and can take 2-4 hours depending on the amount of transcoding that must be done. Once this is done, if burned to the hard disk, you have a VIDEO_TS folder with all the components of a dvd movie in it. This can then be burned to the dvd using Nero, or any other application that knows what to do with a VIDEO_TS folder.
Hope this helps, and that you get to feeling better. I think you'll want to concentrate, for now, on step 5, to see if you can see why you think your result is missing something.
Good luck!
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