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How do I capture? is a DV cam or not?
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ChrisMike
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9. March 2005 @ 06:06 |
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More confused then before.
1) I have an 5 year old Canon ZR Mini DV recorder. With it I have a docking station that offers V/A and S plug. No USB or Fire Wire. It does a have a mini DV terminal connection to connect it to another DV cameras for recording/playback. I tried NVE 3, Virtual Dub, Win DVD Creator, Win DV and I did try as my last attempt fire wire, but no go, not even close, my OS does not even recognize the camera. Can you advise how I can capture these videos onto my DVD's, later I will try to incorporate those video clips into my dvd slide shows. Each tape is no longer then 35/45 minutes.
2) Capture my VCR tapes to DVD's, that should be fun!!. I can't wait for that high blood pressure.
Build in 2004
Win XP Pro SP1
40G HD
AMD Processor 1666
Asus A7V8X-X Motherboard
VGA Card: AG200T8-D64 with Xarbe 200 CPU
Belkin 3 port Fire Wire PCI
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Chris
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9. March 2005 @ 07:23 |
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Get a capture card with S-video in. Plug in the cam, and use whatever software came with the card to capture.
Hauppauge PVR-250 would be a good choice here.
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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ChrisMike
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9. March 2005 @ 07:34 |
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Thanks,
I just got done talking to Cannon people, tech tells me fire wire will work I just need a capture card, he also said something about OHCI to be used with that camera, do you know what that is?.
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9. March 2005 @ 09:05 |
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Open Host Controller Interface. (Google it).
Firewire will work if you have a capture card with firewire on it. They're quite expensive, and not worth it. You can capture using S-video, direct from the cam to your computer. All you need is a cap card with S-vid on it (as I recommended above).
With S-vid, you don't need to worry about OHCI either.
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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ChrisMike
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9. March 2005 @ 10:19 |
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Thanks for your help,
if not in stock, is there any other quality capture card I can ourchase.
Chris
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spacedust
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9. March 2005 @ 10:37 |
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All you need as an open PCI slot. Check This link out.
http://www.newegg.com/app/SearchProductResult.asp?DEPA=0 Someon mentioned there to expensive well there any where from 9.50 to 50 bucks. It does not have to be capture card with firewire on it. Sounds like you already have some capture software all you need is a PCI firewire card, I've used these and they work fine.
Good Luck
Spacedust
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ChrisMike
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9. March 2005 @ 10:53 |
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I did purchase and installed a Belkin fire wire card, but my camera was not even recognized, I did try several small capture programs but no go. Would I need some kind of drivers or codes.
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9. March 2005 @ 11:01 |
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Yes, you need the firewire drivers for your OS, and you need the camera drivers, which Canon should provide, so your computer knows it's a camera on the other end of the wire. This is where OHCI comes in to it, and it sounds like a ton of work, and crap, and I would be back on the phone to Canon to get some support to set it up. If they're not willing, grab a capture card with S-vid and go. It's going to be a lot less painful.
There are a ton of capture cards, but only a few than have HARDWARE mpeg-2 encoding. You can get at $20 capture card, but you'll probalby only capture at a low resolution AVI, and possibly lose quality.
The AVI will then have to be encoded to mpeg-2 properly, adding between 2 and 40 hours of time, depending on the encoder used and the quality you want, and the running time of the capture.
It will then have to be authored and burned to dvdr.
With a hardware mpeg-2 encoder capture card, you're saving between 2 and 40 hours of work. The mpeg-2 capture will be ready to author and burn.
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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ChrisMike
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9. March 2005 @ 11:45 |
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The Tech at Connon said no way, no drivers, all I need is Fire Wire port and capture software, I asked him what kind of software will support this DV camera, he did not know but is willing to work wth me.
I will pick 2 capture cards tonight and will see what will happen.
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Chris
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9. March 2005 @ 12:40 |
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If your camera doesn't have firewire, how is this supposed to be accomplished?
Am I the only one confused here?
Then you're going to pick a capture card...um...why?
If firewire will work, you don't need a card.
If firewire won't (I still don't see how a cam with no firewire out will work with firewire in), then you are going to use composite or S-video in. So you'll need a card.
Every capture card comes with some software to capture with.
WinDV is a nice DV cam capture software, and it's free.
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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ChrisMike
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9. March 2005 @ 15:50 |
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This is what Canon tech told me before: "It does a have a mini DV terminal connection to connect it to another DV cameras for recording/playback"
Another tech tonight told me I could use fire wire, I did try and lets just say it was a small step forward. I was able to capture with Nero 6, Windvd, Windows, DVIO, the quality was very poor, color spots flickring all over the place. WinDVD was the same + the video was jumping all over. Did not try VirtualDub as it looks to be over my head. I am still considering to purchase a capture card, or should I?
I want to know what is next and cleaup the video.
Thanks to all for youe input
Chris
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9. March 2005 @ 17:16 |
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Get VirtualVCR, based on virtualdub's capturing bits.
It's very simple to set up, free.
Good guide on the site too.
http://virtualvcr.sourceforge.net/
This is probably your best option: http://windv.mourek.cz/
The nice thing about a cap card, is you can watch and record live TV, cap from your cam, a VCR, or anything that has s-video or composite (RCA) outputs (even audio from a CD player).
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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ChrisMike
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9. March 2005 @ 19:02 |
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I will get that Vvcr and try it, I just don't get it, same poor quality reults using 4 diffrent applications. I thought it was just about trnsfering DV to a puter. I think I will also pick that Capture Card.
I will post later
Chris
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ChrisMike
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10. March 2005 @ 05:27 |
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I did load the Virtual VCR and got an error message 800040005, and was unable to see anything, I did try few diffrent setting but being new to all this and being midnight who knows what the hell I did. OS is recognizing my Canon ZR. If it is already in a digital format then all I have to do is trnsfer, yes? So why such poor quality in my preview windows and playback when possible. Could it be also my fire wire or a new Belkin PCI card?
Thaks for staying with me on this one,
Chris
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10. March 2005 @ 06:25 |
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If you're getting anything on the computer, then the cam and card are working.
Try WinDV, as it's designed specifically for cap from DV cam.
The problem is that most software doesn't recognize firewire as a legit input. The software is looking for S-video, Composite, or TV Tuner input.
Can Canon not recommend some firewire DV software that will work? (Sorry, sounds like shoddy support from Canon on this)...
Let's go back to Nero for a minute.
Nerovision Express should capture, but we need to definitely change some settings to get good results.
Can you get to this screen, and make the settings the same as shown?
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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ChrisMike
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10. March 2005 @ 06:45 |
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Only template is available to me with DVD and DV??
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10. March 2005 @ 08:03 |
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DV is fine. It will take more work, but the quality will be there. DVD would be better.
Set bitrate as high as it will go (at least 8000kbps) or Quality setting of HQ, set aspect to 720x480.
DO NOT touch the computer during capture.
Turn off screen savers.
Turn off anti-virus.
Turn off system restore.
Make sure you have LOTS of room on the capture hard drive. I mean 100 gig or more if possible. A 40 gig hard drive just won't do, as you won't be able to capture more than a few minutes.
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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ChrisMike
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10. March 2005 @ 08:29 |
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Sorry maybe I was not clear, on that sreen the only thing that I channge it the template. I am unable to get into Qaulity, Bit Rate and Resolution.
By getting a Cap card or something on that order, would that make things easier since I am just transfering DV and a good card could incode it or the software could.
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10. March 2005 @ 09:25 |
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A good hardware card would make things much easier.
You could then choose bitrate, and all sorts of quality settings, as well as watch, and capture live TV, VHS tapes, audio cassettes, whatever.
Again, I recommend the Hauppauge PVR-250 as a wise investment if you plan to capture lots of stuff.
A soft card that uses software to encode will add significant time to your projects. Anywhere between 2 and 40 hours per 2 hours of capture. You will also have to have a very fast computer, and should have a second hard drive to capture to.
With a hardware card, you can capture on any old 486 even.
I know there are other hardware cards around, but I cannot recommend any that will match the performance of the Hauppauge.
There's a couple of them on ebay right now, going for about $50 US.
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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ChrisMike
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10. March 2005 @ 11:19 |
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No stock on pvr's 250 in any stores in the area, it will take me few day's + to get one, all they have is a PVR 250 usb,I hate when that happens. I hope you don't mind me picking on your tech base.
With PVR 250 I wil no longer need a bigger HD, yes?
Any other software suports that card?
What software do you use?
This is a wrong place for it, but, how do you capture a screen shoot, like the one you sent me.
I will back when my card gets here, I am sure.
Thanks,
Chris
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10. March 2005 @ 12:19 |
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The PVR-250 will capture to your hard drive, and because hardware is doing all the work, you can use your computer to do other stuff while it's capturing.
I regularily do 8 hour captures (doing one right now) from VHS, and surf, edit video, encode video, burn dvd's, whatever, all at the same time.
No need for a newer/bigger drive. Just make sure that you are using NTFS file system (for captures over 4 gig, which is about 2 hours).
I use GB-PVR to capture. It also includes an interactive program guide for TV, the options to tweak the video during capture (brightness, contrast, etc.), as well as being a player/viewer for your captures and DVD's (and some other stuff too!)
It is also FREE!
To do a screen shot, just hit the "PrintScreen" button on your keyboard. This puts it into the clipboard (memory). Open up any image editor (I use Irfanview), and hit CTRL+V. You can then save it as a .jpg
If you have multiple windows open, and you only want to screenshot the ACTIVE one, hold the ALT key down, and hit the "PrintScreen" button. CTRL+V it into irfanview (or other graphics app).
I then put it on the internet somewhere. My ISP gives me space, and I use FTP to put it there.
I then put a link in my typing on here, and it appears.
Just like this:
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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ChrisMike
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16. March 2005 @ 03:46 |
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rebootjim,
I did install the PVR 250 V 2.2A, since no plans to watch or record TV, I just installed the drivers, MPEG SW Decoder and Ulead Movie maker. I di not download and installed any updates. As you review these notes, please keep in mind that my V cam is still hooked up to my PCI fire wire and as of now I did not puchase S plug. Results:
Using NVE3 was able to capture I think direct from V cam, a bit dark but but stable and very nice quality. Not to many option were available. Captured video was about 1.30 min long and the file was about 299MG. WinTv PVR 250 did appear in a drop window but failed to capture.
Using Ulead, with some minor adjustments in the capture window I was able to capure (I think it was direct from my V cam), with same problems and just about the same results as above, but the same video captured was only 89MG.
So I am not sure what is capturing what and how? And why do I have such much better V quality.
I think both aplication are using PCI fire wire and when I purchase and use the S plg it all will be trough PVR-250. What is going on?
Chris
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16. March 2005 @ 06:17 |
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NVE and Ulead use completely different encoding engines. You also have the settings differently in each.
You could change things around, and have a HUGE high quality file in Ulead, and a very poor file in NVE.
It's all in the config.
In NVE, click the More button at the bottom, and then click Video options, then the Video tab.
Under Quality settings, drop it down to Custom, then you can set your own capture bitrate, resolution, encoding mode, and audio type.
NVE does not work with the Canopus PVR-250.
Unless you plug the cam into the 250, all your capture is through firewire, which is fine, as long as it's doing what you want.
During capture, did NVE report any dropped frames? Ulead doesn't have that option, so don't bother looking :)
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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ChrisMike
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16. March 2005 @ 07:32 |
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Maybe my bad on info, I installed wintv pvr 250.
Using NVE, I think it was a direct transfer via my fire wire and maybe thats why the file was so big for only 1.5 min of video (maybe thats where the big HD comes into play). There were no droped frames.
Doing a direct transfer in NVE I was not able to get at any other options, but a Capturing Template:DVD and Quality: DV 1 or 2. Maybe when I use S video connections and if wintv pvr 250 will work with NVE, then mybe my options will change. I will look into this again and will post.
I sure don't want go and buy a big old HD, So I want to focus on using the WinTV Pvr 250.
Sounds like you don't like Ulead!
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16. March 2005 @ 07:48 |
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Unless you plug the cam into the PVR-250 somehow, it will not work. You have it plugged into firewire, thus the PVR-250 isn't doing anything.
If you want to capture using the PVR-250, you need to plug the cam into it, and then use something to capture. NVE does not work with the PVR-250, but Ulead will, although it's settings are very limited.
When you say, "I installed wintv pvr 250", do you mean you actually bought the card, and have it in the computer?
If so, install the software that came with it, all of it. This will give you "WinTV2000", which is fairly good capture software. Then run the config, to set up the source (Composite, S-Video, or Tuner), whichever you have the cam plugged into.
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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