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Solution to new DVD Encryption issues (NON-SCRATCH related cyclic redundancy errors)
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winston21
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23. May 2005 @ 19:38 |
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In regards to the new DVD's which halt the copy process and display a "Cyclic Redundancy Error" (NOT BECAUSE OF SCRATCHES]It is obvious that the DVD manufacturers are creating difficulties.
I have read in many posts lists of the exact same movies which have given me problems. In addition to these movies I have had problems with another movie: Before Sunset. I have rented, agh-em, I mean bought, 3 different copies of this movie (after reading loads of posts that say the problem is a scratched disc). Each time I try to Rip it to my hard drive it gives the "cyclic redundancy error" at the EXACT same point in the process (I/O error in DVD Decryptor) (93% and the SAME FRAME 3 times, 3 different discs)
So here is the question: Since DVD manufacturers are including these encryptions in the newer DVD's that Shrink and Decryptor can't handle, what is the solution? Is it necessary to find an individual work around for each specific DVD that has these problems or can we expect that the "Worldwide Team of UN-encryptors" will find a solution that will eliminate the hassle of wading through the bugs that the new DVD's have. I don't know exactly what I am getting at, but basically does anyone know of a patch or an update to DVD Shrink to solve these issues?? Or perhaps even a consolidated list or thread with links to the specific work-arounds for the individual movies that create the cyclic redundancy error??
Thanks
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23. May 2005 @ 19:47 |
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Download and run AnyDVD 5.1.1.1 in the back ground this gets rid of most of the encryption and is the lastest so far that got me the copies that I have wanted, with the exception of [ Are We There Yet ] but there was a solution for that burn problem at another post in this forum
Batman400
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winston21
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23. May 2005 @ 20:22 |
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I guess we can put 'Before Sunset' on the list of Movies that AnyDVD can't decrypt.
I was sure it was going to work when I read in the feature removal tab that it disabled "copy protection based on unreadable sectors" but it gave a cyclic redundancy error at the same frame as the first 3 go rounds.
Any word out there on a patch or an update to DVD Shrink or Decryptor? Surely there is some fix out there somewhere.
But thanks to Batman for heads up on AnyDVD, it is a very usefull program for some other things.
Anyone got another approach?
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Car.Mike
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24. May 2005 @ 11:20 |
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winston21,
The wife bought that movie before Xmas last year( purchased at either Wally World or Target) and I had no problem ripping the movie to HD using DVDDecrypter. Just on a chance , a little while ago, I got the original movie down and used Shrink w/ AnyDVD running in the background. Again no problem. Checked the DVDDecrypter forum site and no one there is complaining about the movie. I think that there was a bad batch of Pressings and your store must have gotten some.
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winston21
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24. May 2005 @ 12:31 |
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Well in that case I am glad that my frustration at not being able to find the solution is not unjustified.
So that is weird car.Mike, you ripped Before Sunset without any problems. I can't believe that DVD's can be so tempramental.
Well thanks for giving me some closure on the issue, at least now I don't feel like there is a solution out there and I am just not able to find it. And thats really what this whole exhausting effort is about, is not being able to accomplish a particular task.
So I will try to rent it from another Hollywood, see what happens.
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24. May 2005 @ 12:53 |
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It's actually gotten quite common to see bad batches of discs that will give you this problem. I suppose it's the natural side effect of the number of discs pressed anymore.
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24. May 2005 @ 12:55 |
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The following is a list of movies That I have found that AnyDVD CANNOT decrypt:
and that is all inclusive.
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winston21
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24. May 2005 @ 13:14 |
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So am I to believe that if I tweaked the settings in AnyDVD in the proper manner that I COULD decrypt this particular DVD, even with whatever error there was with the manufacturing process?
If so, what would be the steps one would take to adjust the settings in AnyDVD to circumvent this manufacturer defect.
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Car.Mike
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24. May 2005 @ 13:50 |
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winston21,
If it is a bad press nothing is going to circumvent the problem. A DVD Player is more forgiving than a computer that is reading the DVD and ripping it. You might try in DVDDecrypter to tell DVDDecrypter to disregard the errors as that might get you through the rip. The studios are letting a lot of companies press their movies as they are going w/ the lowest cost pressing or duplication company wins the contract. Used to be Hollywood took pride in the movies they distributed but it looks like that day is slowly coming to an end w/ some films having extremely high bad presses
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24. May 2005 @ 14:14 |
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As far as I know, "bad pressings" are a result of poor or non existant quality control. An inadvertant effect is that allthough they will play, for now, they present added problems in trying to make backup copies. CRC errors have become for some an unintended "copy protection scheme".
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Deznaj
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24. May 2005 @ 21:21 |
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I agree on the 'scheme' idea. Here in Holland we have the right to make a back-up copy, but such protection makes that almost impossible. But why would the big company's care? No shop will take a DVD back because "I can't make a copy", and who's crazy enought to sew them???
Greetz Deznaj
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webhedreg
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25. May 2005 @ 05:51 |
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You can still take the DVD back, and explain that it was faulty and will not play correctly on your very expensive $10K Nakamichi Soundspace 10 DVD player, which unlike cheaper models, has obvioulsy been able to pick up on the poor quality. This would explain to the store why most people hadn't complained. They are very unlikey to question your complaint and at the very least you should end up with a replacement or credit for another rental. Play the game and have fun.
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ODMENT
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25. May 2005 @ 18:41 |
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Yes i had the same problem with dvd idle.. I installed any dvd and it worked fine. after that...
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27. May 2005 @ 23:04 |
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Hello All
just to let you know the latest thing is a dummy file that sony installed on Are We there Yet, if you played the DVD no problem but if you turned on AnyDVD and then inserted your DVD into your machine and turned on DVD Shrink it woud get to that dummy file and stop and thats it,
The get around I found was do DVD Decrypter downloaded to the hard drive and it found removed and replaced the dummy file, then I turned on AnyDVD and open up DVD Shrink and got the movie off the hard drive and went from there nice clean copy, I know I could have stayed with DVD Decrypter but I like Shrink and you should stay with what you like
besides this is just a heads up if you have to same problem
Batman400
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ou814me
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1. June 2005 @ 21:39 |
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Just to let anyone who is interested know, I was able to use 1Click DvD copy on "are we there yet". It seemed to freeze up for about 3-4 minutes but I left it alone, it said that it was skipping bad sectors and it ripped, compressed, and burned my back up of "are we there yet?" within about 45 minutes or so.
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Blessedon
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2. June 2005 @ 04:23 |
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I suspect that Before Sunset, along with many of the newer movies, is using a "copy protection" that isn't a protection at all. It is that the studio has intentionally included read errors in the data stream (or something similar) knowing full well that copy programs can still make a perfect copy, but that the user of that program will lose patience and give up, believing the disc to be defective, though a player will still play it.
The easy work-around is to open Decrypter, click on tools, settings, the I/O tab, and under Options set Software Error Read Retries to "0", and tick "Ignore Read Errors". Now when Decrypter gets to that magic 93% point in the data stream of Before Sunset, it will count through the 19 intentoinally implanted read errors and finish decrypting, giving you a perfect copy. You don't need anything in the background to do this. Who knows, maybe Hollywood will put 100 read errors in the next release, but if you are patient, you will still get a perfect copy.
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damo_red
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2. June 2005 @ 04:55 |
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thats a good idea, i wonder if it will work with slighty scratched DVDs that may skip for a second or two but are still fine to watch, i have found that dvds like this have loads of errors and dont rip, ill try now with my firends serise 5 disk 5 and hopefully this should solve the problem, its just a few skips in one scene and then its fine
fingers crossed
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2. June 2005 @ 06:20 |
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When you run into one of the bad pressings that won't copy, you don't take it back and tell the store I want to exchange this because I can't copy it. You just need to tell them that it won't play right. In most cases they aren't going to take the time to watch the complete movie. As several members stated in the posts above, the bad pressings are becoming very common. If you think you have hit on a new encryption but read that others are not having problems with that movie, then the chances are you have a bad original. It will usually look perfect and in most cases will play just fine. But it won't copy. If and when another NEW encryption is used almost everyone will have trouble with it until one of the programs like DVD Decrypter or Anydvd is updated to crack it.
Jerry
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Blessedon
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2. June 2005 @ 07:55 |
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Of course you are correct, Jerry. However, for so many people to hit the 93% failure point on Before Sunset tells me that Hollywood has stopped trying to beat the programs and are, in fact, trying to wear out the program user. It makes sense that they could do this by introducing read errors that would mimic crc's and make people believe the disc is flawed. It would still play fine but the copiers' might give up. Those who returned the discs as defective were, in all probability, trying to copy it. The return might give them your identity. Obviously though, Hollywood shoots themselves in the foot with the returned discs but perhaps that is a small price to pay in order to beat us. Perhaps those who had "no problem" with the copy process are simply those who set it, walk away till it's done, and never noticed the read retries. You will find that The Woodsman has the same read-error technique. Just trying to be logical here.
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btitus
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2. June 2005 @ 10:25 |
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For blessedon: Thanks for the tip about setting Decrypter to 0 retries and ignore read errors. I have had 99% success with Shrink and have only had to use Decrypter a few times. The last time was with Are We There Yet?
I love coming to this site because I learn something every time and look like a computer whiz to my family and friends :0)
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2. June 2005 @ 11:39 |
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Ok guys, There was a change in some of the encryptions. Anydvd just updated again to cover that change. Latest version is 5.2.2.1. I'm guessing DVD Decrypter will follow with an update shortly also.
Jerry
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Blessedon
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2. June 2005 @ 12:08 |
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You are most welcome, btitus. I love learning and sharing. I love this site so much that I believe I have invented the afterdawn widow . My poor wife!
Thanks Jerry, I can't wait for Decrypter 3.5.5!
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2. June 2005 @ 12:11 |
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i heard the words DVD Decrypter and possible update. I wouldn't be surprised if lightning uk is beavering away on an update as we type
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