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DVD Decrypter unstable
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poolpro
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10. June 2005 @ 18:39 |
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Ok I have the latest firmware from pioneer for my DVR-108 burner and I have the latest versions of DVD DECRYPTER and DVD SHRINK. Everything goes smoothly until it comes the time to burn my 16X Verbatim discs with DVD DECRYPTER. 1.it will not burn at 16X 2.the device buffer goes haywire and is very unstable.What I mean by that is the it will not stay in the 90's but instead will go from 90 to 30 to 15 I think you get what I'm saying here.Now the media comes out fine when I view it but why does it do this? I have firmware version 1.20 for my burner and these new Verbatim are supported by the firmware so what is the deal here? I don't want to lower the speed of the burning because if that's the case I would have just stuck to the 12X verbatim media instead.BTW they are Verbatim 16X +R. What can I do to fix the device buffer from going nuts?
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Ppower
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10. June 2005 @ 20:29 |
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Burning dvd movies at 16x is what's unstable. Your device buffer is I belive 2Mb, 16x burning is around 21-22Mb a second, what do you expect? Just because you're able to burn at 16x doesn't mean you should. Most burn movies at 4x, I burn at 8x, max.
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poolpro
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10. June 2005 @ 21:48 |
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Thanks for the rude reply.Didn't know rude people existed here until now.I thought this was a site for getting answers to problems on many issues not a bashing expo.
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10. June 2005 @ 22:35 |
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Ok lets be adults about this and take a deep breath.
@ poolpro
I don't believe Ppower response was meant to be rude or derogatory. Even though your media can be burnt up to 16x that is not necessarily good for backing up movies. Most here who have been doing this for years will suggest max burn speed should not exceed 8x. personally I prefer to stick between 4x thru 6x for backups so it doesn't cause my buffer to fluxuate and possibly give me a bad burn. Anyway to make a long story short theres no need to burn video @ max speed. Slow it down a bit...also slower speeds will not wear your burner out so quick. If you have any other issues post back and someone will come along to try to assist you.
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Ppower
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11. June 2005 @ 07:09 |
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@poolpro
I was in know way was tring to be rude. Some times reading typed words can come across rude or being short with someone. All I'm saying is Decrypter is a very very good program. You started by saying "DVD Decrypter unstable". What I'm saying is Decrypter itself isn't unstable but how you are using it is. My truck is very stable, the speedo shows 100MPH, but my truck wouldn't be stable at 100. You ask for help, I suggest something and you take offence. Or were you just looking for a "yes" man to agree with you, Decrypter is unstable?
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poolpro
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11. June 2005 @ 12:16 |
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It's a dead issue already.Let's just leave it at that.
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11. June 2005 @ 13:37 |
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@poolpro - do you still require help
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11. June 2005 @ 13:42 |
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ignore this reply
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11. June 2005 @ 13:49 |
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poolpro,
check yourself ... Nothing about Ppowers post was rude. And he's right ... just cause they make 16x burners and 16x media doesn't mean burning at 16x is best ... or will even work for that matter.
For most burning at 8x will work, whereas 4x is probably the best.
If you ignore this, the next thread you'll be making is "What's wrong with by backups? They skip and freeze"
Also, keep up that attitude and you won't be here long.
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poolpro
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11. June 2005 @ 14:32 |
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Everybody just chill.I am not here to be picking on people.All I wanted to know is why is my device burner in DVDDECRYPTER going haywire.I have used Verbatim 12X DVD+R media and have never had a problem with the device buffer going nuts.Now that I am using 16X Verbatim DVD+R media it is doing that. I even lowered the speed to 12X and still it goes crazy.When I lower it to 8X everything goes smoothly.The thing that puzzles me is why does it do this with the 16X media and not the 12X media? I just wanted to know if there was a way to make the device buffer as smooth as possible burning at speeds of at least 12X with these 16X media discs.Once again I didn't mean to make any enemies on this site,I was just looking for some help.
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stephen13
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12. June 2005 @ 08:01 |
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No matter what write speed i set in DVD Decrypter it still only writes at 0.5x on average.
Is this normal or am i doing something wrong??
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12. June 2005 @ 08:37 |
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Is this normal or am i doing something wrong??
No that is not normal. Check your DMA settings.
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12. June 2005 @ 08:42 |
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12. June 2005 @ 08:43 |
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@poolpro,
Hope ya got your answers, thread has strayed from answering you.
Anyhow, I don't think they make 12x media. Do they? I thought it went from 2.4x to 4x to 8x to 16x media.
And you really shouldn't burn at 16x, even though media is out there and the burners are suppose to support it. I think they just want you to buy more media, cause of all the coasters.
I'm surprised your able to burn at 12x, not too many people are. I don't even burn past 8x with my Plextor 716 ... and it's in DMA 4 (whereas most burners are in DMA 2. So the transfer rate is much higher.
And if you look at it your not saving much time by burning at 12x or 16x compared to 8x. I believe at 8x I can burn a 4.36GB file in about 12-14 minutes. so going to 12x-16 your saving what .... 10 minute burn at 12x and 8-9 minute burn at 16x? It's not worth it.
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stephen13
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12. June 2005 @ 12:43 |
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Thanks flip and creaky for the replys ill try that out now
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12. June 2005 @ 13:10 |
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no worries, let us know how you get on..
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stephen13
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12. June 2005 @ 13:50 |
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Hi creaky
I tried that out and my secondary drive which is my DVD writer was set to
Device 0
Device type: Auto detection
Transfer mode: DMA if available
Current transfer mode: Ultra DMA Mode 2
Device 1
Device type: Auto detection
Transfer mode: DMA if available <==(This was set to PIO mode also)
Current transfer mode:PIO Mode
When i tried changing Device 1 Transfer mode to DMA i did notice a difference in write speed.
I set it to write at 8x but it only wrote at 1.5x is this still wrong.
Anyways im happy with the increase in write speed so thanks once again friend
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12. June 2005 @ 14:11 |
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@stephen13 - this is what it should look like -
Device 0
Device type: Auto detection
Transfer mode: DMA if available
Current transfer mode: Ultra DMA Mode 5 - my hard drive
Device 1
Device type: Auto detection
Transfer mode: DMA if available
Current transfer mode: Ultra DMA Mode 2
- presuming your hard drive is on Device 0, and the writer is on the other.
What's happening is the drives are gonna run at the slowest speed, in your case PIO.
Has it always been like this ?. If not, fixing DMA should get you sorted. If it's always been like this you may have the wrong ribbon cable for your drives. Look here - http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/if/ide/confCable80-c.html (just check out the pictures and the explanation of the pictures).
Persevere with fixing the DMA modes. Plus slow the burn speed to 4x as less chance of error even if DMA all set correctly..
Hope that helps..
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12. June 2005 @ 15:43 |
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Device 1
Device type: Auto detection
Transfer mode: DMA if available <==(This was set to PIO mode also)
Current transfer mode:PIO Mode
That would be normal if you only have one HD. Your HD should be on your primary master IDE channel. If you don't have a second HD (ie. nothing on your primary slave), it will say PIO mode.
You need to check your secondary IDE channel.
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12. June 2005 @ 23:29 |
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almost Flip :)
Here's what my Primary IDE channel looks like on my work PC (cd-rom is on the secondary channel btw) -
Device 0
Device type: Auto detection
Transfer mode: DMA if available
Current transfer mode: Ultra DMA Mode 5
Device 1
Device type: Auto detection
Transfer mode: DMA if available
Current transfer mode: Not Applicable
But then my work PC is a strange beast so i'm not surprised there's different combinations of status
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stephen13
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13. June 2005 @ 09:05 |
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Creaky and flip im sorry i was supposed to say my secondary ide channel instead of my secondary drive
(I tried that out and my secondary drive which is my DVD writer was set to)
I meant secondary ide channel
Device 0
Device type: Auto detection
Transfer mode: DMA if available
Current transfer mode: Ultra DMA Mode 2
Device 1
Device type: Auto detection
Transfer mode: DMA if available <==(This was set to PIO mode also)
Current transfer mode:PIO Mode
My primary ide is set like this
Device 0
Device type: Auto detection
Transfer mode: DMA if available
Current transfer mode: Ultra DMA Mode 5
Device 1
Device type: Auto detection
Transfer mode: DMA if available
Current transfer mode:DMA Mode
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13. June 2005 @ 11:17 |
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@stephen13 - i'm a tad puzzled and slightly rusty on my DMA modes. Your hard drive & dvd writer are at DMA modes 5 and 2 respectively, that's spot on.
However i've just checked my home PC and both my 'empty' devices show -
Transfer mode: DMA if available
Current transfer mode: Not Applicable
-same as my work pc. Which from my rusty memory is how it should be anyway. However I honestly don't know if having a device showing PIO (even though there's no device attached) would drag the other devices down in speed. I would try manually selecting 'DMA if available in the dropdown box (for the PIO entry and the one that says 'DMA Mode'.
If those entries don't revert to 'DMA if available' after the reboot, we probably need to check the BIOS at bootup to see if the IDE channels are incorrectly set
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13. June 2005 @ 11:21 |
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@stephen13 - here's something - Quote:
In default WIndows 2000 configuration, transfer mode for device 0 on secondary IDE channel is set to "PIO Only". This causes IDE device attached to that channel to operate in PIO mode even if the device supports DMA. This results in additional load on central processor (CPU) and also in possible degraded perfomance of disk I/O operations.
i'm still looking on google to see if having no devices attached to the 'PIO' entry will bring down speed (i guess it probably does)
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13. June 2005 @ 17:00 |
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almost Flip :)
Well one of our PCs is strange, cause the one I build only had one HD and that is how it read :)
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stephen13
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17. June 2005 @ 07:50 |
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sorry for the late reply flip and creaky i was off line for a couple of days.
I dont want you guys to go through to much trouble it writes at 1.5x now on average which is great for burning backups so i just wanted to say thanks to both of you for that cause im happy with that so thanks a lot guys for all the help
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