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Hi-tech discussion on slow DVD ripping speeds
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forkndave
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13. September 2004 @ 19:02 |
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I was also a little disapointed with my results. I used to have a 166S and the hacked firmware speeded it up dramatically. It finally quit working and I replaced it with a 167T hoping it would be better. Mine does rip pressed DVDs pretty fast, but a burned one is not nearly as fast. It will go up to about 7X fairly quick and then come back to about 3 or 4X . My old 166S would take a burned DVD and would usually top out at about 14X at the end. This is with DVD Decrypter. My 167T will do a single layer (pressed) in five or six minutes. I really wish I had gotten another 166S instead. My 167T is adequate, but if I want to copy a burned DVD I generally use my Pioneer A07 because it will rip them faster.
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forkndave
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13. September 2004 @ 19:12 |
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I haven't noticed any ripping errors, but I imagine that's probably why it slows down so much on the burned DVDs. Decrypter will slow the rip speed to avoid errors. It only shows errors when it actually can't read the disc. I imagine the slowness is Decrypter having to reread a lot of the disc. I know that if I have a disc with a lot of PI and PO errors, it does slow down the reading quite a bit.
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13. September 2004 @ 21:09 |
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Speed read I guess! However, I do NOT have to press the eject button to do it.
The new Decrypter automatically enables Speed Read on Plextor drives. What version are you using?
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Pontistv
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13. September 2004 @ 21:43 |
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I am using the latest version of Decrypter, and the speed read box is checked. I may have spoken a bit soon about the firmware. I tried a few more movies tonite, and here are the results:
Duplex 4:52 Ave 10.6X, Max 15.7X 5.23GB
Bookies 4:49 Ave 10.6X, Max 15.8X 4.04GB
I know Bookies would be a single pressed disc, and therefore would rip fast without hacked firmware, but Duplex at 5.23GB... wouldn't that have to be a dual-layer disk? Or are pressed single layer factory discs capable of more than 4.37GB? Anyway, at 15.7X that's a lot more than the 10X speed that the dual-layer read is set at according to the firmware.
Im real curious if this Liteon 167T is as good as the 166s I heard everyone praising. Here's a real good question: Why wouldn't Liteon run their drives as fast as the hacked firmware allows to begin with? Does running it a little faster create a longevity problem, or worse yet undetected errors get passed on to the hard drive?
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forkndave
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13. September 2004 @ 22:35 |
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I guess the 166 and 167 are fairly equal. My 166 would read burned DVDs faster, but other than that they're about the same. Lite-On probably restricts the speed for mechanical reasons. They have to warranty these things for a year and I guess they don't want to have to replace any. I have also found that sometimes discs that have scartches sometimes can't be read with the hacked firmware. I've had to use a burner to rip with for this reason a few times. My 166 quit working for other reasons. The tray got to where it sometimes needed an assist to close. One day it shut my computer down and the only way I could get the computer back on was to unplug the power connector from the DVD ROM. Obviously a short of some sort. Fortunately most computer power supplies are good at shutting down when one of the outputs is shorted rather than just burning up.
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Pontistv
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15. September 2004 @ 21:43 |
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Well, as I mentioned before this 167T read a disc at 16.6X max once, and 15.8 and 15.7 before that. That's impressive for a single layer pressed disc! But the dual-layer discs (Which are 95% of them out there) just don't usually read very fast. Its kinda disappointing. My Plextor rips them dual layers consistently faster by quite a bit.
Another thing I find very annoying with the 167T is that if I put in blank media, it sits there and tries like heck to read it. And it never stops trying. Very annoying!
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fragilea
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26. October 2004 @ 19:15 |
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ok, well... ive been reading lots of posts on lots of forums, so i went w/ the LiteOn 167T. Im using the DVD Decryptor program, and that fastest i can get is 1.7x im working w/ asus as7n8x-e deluxe, 3200+, seageate 80gig 8mb... so i wouldnt think there would be a problem... i did use the hack from the cd freaks link (the 16x 16x 10x file)?? any help?
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Pontistv
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3. November 2004 @ 18:56 |
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I have the same M/B, with a 2700+ chip, no problems. I would check your IDE controllers properties. Under secondary channel, make sure that DMA if available is selected, not PIO only. If that doesn't get it, check your bios to see if there is any similar DMA options to select in there. Although with my A7N8X-E Deluxe board, I don't remember there being any in bios.
I used a similar (or the same?) hack, and picked up a hair of rip speed, but nothing really earth-shattering. Make sure you don't have your DVD-rom on the same channel as your hard drive, or the channel will "take turns" using one drive or the other. I suppose you have adequate ram, with a decent system like that. I think 1GB is really nice, but 512K should do the job just fine.
Also make sure you have the latest decrypter just to be safe, and also make sure the read speed settings haven't been turned down to a slow speed.
Let me know if I can help. You should definitely be able to rip a lot faster than that, and it doesn't sound like the hardware. The DMA thing is most likely the problem.
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fragilea
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3. November 2004 @ 20:19 |
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that was in man... thanks a bunch. greatly appreciated, i never thought to check that
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Pontistv
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6. November 2004 @ 23:30 |
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Glad to help. Was it the BIOS or the secondary channel properties? And how fast did it end up ripping with which drive?
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NoJOB
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10. November 2004 @ 17:25 |
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I have the sony DRU-500a does anyone know where i can get this firmware to speed things up. Thanks
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dlc2000
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10. November 2004 @ 18:18 |
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NoJOB
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10. November 2004 @ 18:38 |
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Thanks a lot DLC2000
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fragilea
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10. November 2004 @ 20:17 |
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Pontist V -> it was at PIO only... now it rips at avg of 8x
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Pontistv
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14. November 2004 @ 18:50 |
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That's great! I have found most dual-layer movies to rip at around 8-12X, and single layer movies to rip at a peak of 15-16X. Some dual layers are slower though, but rare. Make sure you have all your channels set up to where both drives on any one channel are not used at the same time also. That will ensure max speed.
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fragilea
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14. November 2004 @ 19:17 |
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where can i check to see if im using the same channel?
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Pontistv
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14. November 2004 @ 20:14 |
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Look in My computer's properties (Device Manager). Under my computer, find IDE Controller. Under IDE controller will be a primary and secondary channel. The same place you found where to switch PIO to DMA if available.
Each channel can operate one of two drives at a time with no interruption. If it tries to operate two drives at the same time (IE: you have both dvd drives on your secondary ide channel, and try to rip 2 movies at once), then each drive will take turns accessing the motherboard thru that channel.
For example, I wanted to rip 2 movies at once, so I have my 2 hard drives on the primery IDE channel. And I have one dvd drive on my secondary channel in the first slot. The second slot stays empty. My other DVD drive is on a PCI IDE controller card all by itself. That way, I can have both drives ripping at full speed. I tried it before with both drives on the mobo's secondary channel, it the drives took turns accessing the motherboard. Consider it like a 2-lane highway with 2 cars in each lane, but one car always has to be first (although they can take turns at whose first).
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drastic
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15. November 2004 @ 23:15 |
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With DVD Decrypter and my LG DVD buner GS4040B with new firmware (and old firmware) used to rip at aroun 5x, my liteon dvd rom used to rip at around 8-10x, not both struggle at around 1.2x - i've changed firmware a few times but both have worked cool and dandy afterwards, i've increased my RAM, but i dont see a direct connection to the sudden lack of speed - any ideas?
What used to take 10-15 mins is now taking over an hour - if i run both at once though it doesnt slow any further (thankfully)
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Pontistv
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18. November 2004 @ 18:36 |
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Drastic,
I had a LG dvd-rom/CD burner, and I currently have a Lite-on dvd-rom (and a Plextor PX712A). I had similar results. Average dual-layer movies used to rip slowly, with my LG averaging around 5-7X. My Lite-on is usually around 8-10 on dual layers. Plextor slightly higher than that. A sudden drop to 1.2X with all brands surely indicates a problem other than your hardware. Ram wouldn't make it drop that much either, or at least not if you were ripping faster before.
I would check first to make sure your BIOS and your IDE controller settings are set to DMA if available. (See some of the posts above on that). Some BIOS's have DMA settings as well that should be checked. I hear Windows XP sometimes has problems with DMA switching back to PIO, although I haven't experienced that myself. Some guys say you have to uninstall and reinstall the IDE controller. If you're unfamiliar with that, most motherboards have IDE controllers built in to the mobo. Check out your computer properties and you should see a controller that if you look at, will have primary and secondary channels.
Also don't forget if you've done some recent drive switching to make sure you have the master/slave settings right on the back of the drives.
If none of that pans out, I would check out your ASPI layers. Adaptec is my choice for getting those. They are a pain in the butt to play with, but are quite necessary it seems with regards to burning drives. There is a check tool that adaptec has to tell you which layers are installed. Often 2 of the 4 are not installed at all, from what I've seen. And that seems to screw things up with burning.
Some dvd-roms seem to be locked at a low speed, usually 2X or so. More often, it's burners that are locked actually. Not rom-onlys. If that's the case, it shoudl rip uncopyrighted movies fast, and copyrighted ones slow. Hacked firmware will cure that problem. Hope this helps.
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upahill
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10. December 2004 @ 11:14 |
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I would assume that the compression is the bottleneck here. If you have a single layer DVD, then it's a one to one copy, so no compression has to be done; it'll fit on a blank DVD. But if it's two layer, then no matter what, compression has to kick in and that's CPU (math) intensive. Am I wrong here? I'm not sure more RAM will help either, because if you hit CTRL-ALT-DEL and bring up task manager when ripping, you'll see that Mem usage is never nearly as much as the physical RAM (if you have 512 meg).
If you want to play big leagues with multiple burning, your looking for 1 or more Intel Xeon Processors or equivalent AMD processor capable motherboards with an ultra fast wide drive (10000-15000 rpm) and the 512meg of matching RAM. Plus, if you have an SCSI hard drive, then you can afford to put one DVD-ROM on each IDE channel. Some of the newer motherboards will have SCSI controllers built right in such as those from Intel and Supermicro and several others. Things will fly with that setup since encoding needs a lot of processor horsepower...
Hope this helps
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Pontistv
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11. December 2004 @ 21:12 |
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Upahill,
He is having a problem with ripping, not burning. You're right, burning (or actually encoding with compression) is very processor intensive. But he seems to be talking about just ripping on a computer that used to work fine. My money's on the DMA settings.
Only other thing that comes to mind is that he's used to ripping non-copyrighted movies, and this is the first protected one. Or that he changed DVD drives or firmware.
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ollah
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16. December 2004 @ 07:13 |
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Hi there,
i have a pioneer DVR-A06 DVD-Burner and an Artec 16x DVD-Rom. So far so good, but now i have this speed issue for a long time now and still can't figure it out. The first thing is when ripping DVD's with either one of the Drives, the Speed is nailed to 2x, which may be because of the Firmware Restriction, but it apllies to Protected and Unprotected Discs. The Second and bigger Problem is that may 4x DVD burner used with 4x Media takes almost 45 Minutes to complete a Disc, which is really annoying after a while. Both drives are set to multiword dma mode 2 and I'm using the Adaptec Aspi 4.60. First Ide Channel hosts 2 hdd's and the second Ide Channel hosts the 2 Drives with the Burner as Master and the DVD as slave. I tried everything, from 2 different 80 Wire Cables to using only the Burner or switching the DVD-Rom to Master and the Burner to Slave. Nothing helped. I use an Gigabyte GA8-KNXP (REv. 1.0) Mobo and looked up the Manual today if there is an Option for DMA Enabling or something like that. But the Bios hasn't such an Option. If anyone of you has a Clue or at least a small hint please help. Thanks and I#m sorry if there are critical writing mistakes =)
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dlc2000
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16. December 2004 @ 09:35 |
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have you tried uninstalling the controller and letting windows reinstall it to see if that helps ?
the reason i say this is because after i think 6 or more errors windows will slow the ide channel down . i understand that it is dma mode and not pio mode . i had this problem also . uninstalling the ide channel and letting windows reinstall it may help you with this . make sure after windows reinstalls the ide channel that it is in dma mode . hope this helps
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Pontistv
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16. December 2004 @ 16:52 |
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I agree. Reinstalling the secondary channel and resetting to DMA again would probably go far. Getting hacked firmware for both drives would probably help. Do you have a 2X lock on both drives??
I had an Artec 16X rom and it was one of the slowest rippers I tried. However, it was faster than that! Perhaps 5X - 6X if memory serves right. Burner on primary, Rom on secondary is correct. Make sure you're not trying to use both drives at once, or they'll basically take turns accessing the mobo, slowing rip speeds.
The cables made no difference with my setup either. The ribbon types are capable of faster speeds than the drive is to begin with, so no bottleneck there. There are some newer ASPI layers available, though I seriously doubt that's you're bottleneck. Play with reinstalling. Make sure the jumpers are set correct. If both drives are doing it, its likely in the computer (windows) and not the drive. Good luck.
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ollah
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16. December 2004 @ 22:03 |
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Luck is indeed what i need :), tried reinstalling the second IDE channel the last time after i installed temporarily another HDD to the second IDE channel, Windows changed the mode to PIO and when i wanted to reinstall the IDE channel, windows said that there were no drivers for that kind of stuff. Well thnx Uncle Bill but how crappy is that. Well i think i'll gice it a try after finishing my actual bunch of dvds. I have an Image of my OS on DVD so if it f***s up i can reestablish my current state without to much effort.
Well we'll see =)
OllAH
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