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brobear
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29. August 2005 @ 22:20 |
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Shinraboy,
On the PCs gaming abilities... I'd take the best P4 of the lot, add some more memory and add a good graphics card and a sound card if it didn't already have one. The key to gaming is in a good graphics card as well as the CPU being fast enough and RAM is a key anytime (the more the better to a reasonable point). I prefer the Radeon cards. I noticed a decent one that was cheap at Wally World the other day. Not top notch, but only the high powered gamers need the leading edge cards anyway. 2.8GHz is a powerful CPU. When you get into the 3 GHz and better CPUs, you start paying a premium and often don't use the extra processing power. Those were desktop models. If you look at laptops, then 2.8 GHz is a real speed demon.
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Identifier is a good tool for checking the manufacturer ID. DVDInfoPro gives the ID and has other utilities. Among those utilities is a test for checking the disc for read/write errors. http://www.dvdinfopro.com Shrink and Decrypter have a proven track record. Normally the only problems are with the source, media used, or user error. There was some hardware issues with some external drives with Decrypter, I'm not sure if that ever got worked out. That usually resulted in a time out error. There is a Compaq in use here, what external drive is being used and with what type of connection. Have you tried using another decrypter besides DVD Decrypter along with the DVD Shrink. Not a lot of the newer transcoding apps were intended for use with a P3. I was under the impression the Compaq was going to be retired and a more modern PC put into use. As mentioned a PC with these specs wasn't intended to do video editing: Pentium 3, about 433 mhz
Compaq
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Shinraboy
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31. August 2005 @ 04:48 |
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@ all
Believe me when i say that "i've tried everything"
But i dont understand! Im using brand-new media for ripping. Ive tried 123 copy, and some others. Could it be my drive. Im working with an
ILO DVD/CD Burner.
But ill try that program.
P.S. could it be a file in my pc? What if i reboot?
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31. August 2005 @ 13:23 |
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@Shinraboy
ur combo are u sure ur combo is aburning type with both CD and DVD, not just CD Burner and DVD Rom???
I know its a basic question but i had to ask???
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Shinraboy
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1. September 2005 @ 03:09 |
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its a DVD Burner. Ive "backed up" lots of films on it before. But one day it just didnt decrypt with anything! It just got a bunch of replies.
HMMM
My dvd burner adapts to region code. For example, i put in PAL, it will be PAL, NTSC, NTSC, and so on five times. After five regions, it will adapt to your most recent. Ive never done PAL, always NTSC. But before the problem had started i used my brothers high school senior video.
Anyboy see a connection there? Let me know, thanks.
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1. September 2005 @ 20:22 |
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Hey brobear. I totally agree with you, i was just letting eruname aware of microsofts antics. My favourite operating system is XP and I have had problems trying to backup dvds. However, like you said if a dvd has been burnt before it can be copied and pasted. unfortunately the manufacturers are really cracking down on piracy and it is going to be impossible to back up your dvd collection. I have found that the media isnt as good as it used to be.
If a cd or dvd is scratched, get some toothe paste and patter it onto the disk. wait for it to go hard and wipe it off using water(only a little) and a damp soft cloth stroking outwards. This has worked for me, but it hasnt worked for me on dual layer dvds. Single layers work fine and give the disk a minty smell too
Shrinaboy. try and get a dvd cleaning disk...it is a disk with little pieces of cotton on it...the lense could be dirty. if it reads dvds it probably isnt the drive. also since i am in aussie, i only put it in PAL, but DVD Decrypter or blind write 5 or DVD Shrink...one of them always works...try DVD Decrypter as a file. I have had no problems with that
If that still fails try alcohol 120%
Living....it is a great privilage
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1. September 2005 @ 21:23 |
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As I pointed out, the system was too old and small to be in use for DVD recording in the first place. Any that it did work on was a gift. We weren't told what the OS was, but I'd suspect 98. If it's anything later, then the OS would slow down the older low capacity PC even more. The tiny HD in itself is enough to cause problems. Now we're told there is an external drive in use. This PC is just not adequate for the task. I have no idea why there is all the input here when the problem is obvious, e-q-u-i-p-m-e-n-t.
Minimum requirements for DVD burning is a P3, 750 MHz, 256 MB RAM, and at least a 20GB HD with 1.5 to 2 times the size of the DVD to be recorded in free space (about 10 to 15GB free). The system should preferably be running with an OS with NTFS technology, not the old FAT 32. Most users doing video work are using P4s or AMDs running at better than 2 GHz, with 512MB RAM or more. With the above minimum there have been hardware problems and complaints that were not encountered by users with larger, faster systems. Compare the minimum with what is in use:
Pentium 3, about 433 mhz
Compaq
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6.2 GB (AVAILABLE OF 13) HDD
Here is an example. Sin City ripped to the HD with Decrypter is 7.85 GB. Constantine, the movie in question, is large as well. However, I don't have it on the PC to give out the exact specs right now. Shrink has to create a temp file for the transcoded movie of about 4.3 GB. That gives a total of about 12.15 GB out of a total 13 GB (Constantine would be near this). Now remember this, Quote:
6.2 GB (AVAILABLE OF 13) HDD
Where is the space for the programming, OS, and the necessary freespace for the system to function. There isn't even enough space to rip a large DVD such as Constantine, much less transcode a 4.3GB temp file to be burned. Right off the bat, the HD is way too small. 433MHz speed for the processor is way too slow. The RAM would be adequate if the rest of the system were up to par, but it isn't. Update the h-a-r-d-w-a-r-e or don't complain. You may be able to do some small movies (with luck) with the small system, but you won't be able to record consistently with the larger DVD9 movies. It's almost impossible to tell if one has software problems if the hardware is inadequate.
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I'm not seeing the change in media quality. I've seen some brands resorting to selling cheaper merchandise. However, if you notice, the quality of the leading manufacturers is still pretty constant. I'm still happy with MCC, TY, Ricoh and some others, they're sold under different brands as well as generic with TY and Ricoh. So getting good media isn't that big a problem if one pays attention to the media threads. You have to sift through them though. Seems everybody has an opinion. There you have to use some common sense. Most forums agree on the manufacturers I named. Checking databases can give some idea of what brands are selling. Then check the media purchased with an identifier tool to see what you have. The media I'm buying today is the same as I bought a year ago with most of my purchases. The newer media from the good manufacturers still turns out to be good as well.
The outer polycarbonate layer is what has to be read through by the laser in the optical head. Smudges and scratches cause a problem for the light transmission. When the scratches are severe enough, the PC can't read the DVD. Players are usually more forgiving than recorders. Anyone that has done a lot of movies has run into the one that plays but can't be recorded. Tools like Skip Dr can polish and remove minor scratches. That is what you were doing with the toothpaste which is a minor abrasive (cleaner and polish). I've heard of people using various means to get a good read with scratched media. Some companies sell repair kits to repair damaged discs. However, if the scratches are too bad, nothing is going to help.
As for piracy and encryption, that is a mess still being worked out in the courts and by lawmakers. I believe in fair use and that people should be able to back up legally purchased DVDs to protect the collection from damage. That has nothing to do with Microsoft or linux though. Software has actually improved over the past year making it easier to make better backups. So, I haven't seen the movie industry really do anything to stop owners of DVDs from backing up their movies. As for the encryption, that was upgraded, but almost as fast the leading decryption software has been updated as well. I don't blame the movie industry for going after the pirates at all. I just object when the rights of legal consumers are damaged in the movie industry's quest to stop piracy.
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Shinraboy
Various regions use the PAL or NTSC systems. Region 1 (Canada, the US, and South America) uses NTSC. You'll find PAL in some of the other regions. Normally most of the discs to be found in a region are set up for the region, either PAL or NTSC. Also , the players and recorders are preset, but have the ability to be changed. Since the number of changes is small, it is best to use software to handle any discs from another region, instead of resetting the drive manually. AnyDVD and DVD Region Free are a couple of good candidates.
I can't see playing a video making a difference. If it played, it was compatible to the player's format. Only doing manual changes would have an effect.
I believe I pointed out where your problems lie. Why you persist in posting to this thread and using the old equipment I don't understand. As I stated earlier, with inadequate hardware, it's difficult to ever tell if there is a software issue.
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@Brobear
Just a note its all well and good when u post in the thread when someone answers and u post after them... but y are u makin three post straight after each other???
If u just remember somethin u can add press on the edit icon and edit ur last post it can b better than makin posts like that... The only thing u achiive this way is to increase ur post count thats all....
No offense intended just a friendly note...
@Shrinboy and Brobear
in regards to regional codes... if ur havin trouble just use DVD Decrypter and that gets rid of the regions and encrytion and u can virtually play it on any DVD Player...
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Shinraboy
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2. September 2005 @ 03:09 |
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I've only continued to post to this thread because the lappy didnt come. Sadly. But il clean laser, its the one thing ive never done.
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I don't believe I need any reminders from you on my methods of posting to a forum. When the content gets a bit long and I'm on varied topics, I'll split the posts to keep down confusion. AD has the space and there is no difference if it is one post or a few. Unlike Seniors and other members I have nothing to gain by multiple posts, other than keeping info separate. Now if you did it, I might think you were trying to pad a post count. One post was to Tamzin, the other was to why this thread is continuing with Shinraboy because his problem is obvious; antiquated hardware and not enough resources, and finally I was addressing Shinraboy on a question he asked that will apply to things he does in the future. As for PAL and NTSC, I believe I addressed that, thanks for your input. DVD Decrypter can make DVD files region compatible during the decryption and rip process, but it takes something like AnyDVD or Region Free to make an out of region disc playable on a drive not set for it without having to go through the rip process. One of the advantages of some driver type decrypters. Thanks for your interest, but in my case it was unnecessary. I've been here long enough to realize the etiquette and rules for posting. Now there's a good word for you... etiquette. And yes, I've been here long enough to know how to make additions and necessary changes to a single post.
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Shinraboy,
Not much is going to help besides getting the newer PC with sufficient resources to handle the task. Cleaning a laser may help when you have read problems. With this situation you need to do the math. The Constantine DVD is near 7GB. With the limited capacity of your HD, it is physically impossible to do what you are trying. Small movies might work with the movie only, but with the blockbusters, you simply don't have the space if you have to rip with Decrypter and then transcode. I've already mentioned adding a cheap hard drive. Take some of the advice, but you're wasting your time if you keep messing with what you have and expect a miraculous solution.
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@Brobear
I didnt mean to offend i was just makin an observation and suggestion thats all... If i ruffled ur feathers i appoligise...
The one thing i have to admire u on is that u really put effort in your posts and help others and myself and allways give 110%
@Shinraboy
U really either have to upgrade ur pc or put in a bigger hdd or try to maintain the current one and get rid of any unnessary things that are takin up space....
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Quote:
I didnt mean to offend i was just makin an observation and suggestion thats all... If i ruffled ur feathers i appoligise...
The one thing i have to admire u on is that u really put effort in your posts and help others and myself and allways give 110%
Thanks for the compliment and no offense taken (no ruffled feathers). I've been at this for some time and have a fair idea of what I'm doing. Over the past year alone I've made well over 3000 posts here at AD in more than 600 different threads. Most of those were on threads requesting help. This is just the first time in quite a while someone has told me how I should do it.
I see we agree on Shinraboy's problem. Anymore posts to his predicament are pretty much a waste of time until he does something about upgrading his system. You touched on one thing I didn't mention as a temporary measure. As a gap measure he could empty the HD except for essential software for the task of recording. With 10 to 11 GB of freespace, he could possibly do some movies. Still working with such a small HD and a processor at near 400MHz is quite a hindrance.
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Shinraboy
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TO ALL
You were right, i finally got my ne lappy. It's fine now. And as a result it turned out to be my burner the whole time. It weakend over my 40 movie mark. Any way, thanks for everything.
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You're welcome. Glad you finally got the new equipment. Old hardware and old tech just weren't intended to do what we're now demanding with DVD video recording and editing.
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Its great to c that u have changed the hardware...
For sometime i even belive i can live with the tech i had b4 but there is only soo much and soo much time u can make it last...
The max i have kept and old sys is 5yrs i can make a sys last 5yrs after their used by date and that with no updates except software...
But glad to c things are kewl now....
Happy burning...
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Glad you can stand some of the stuff for 5 years. I had one of the last P2s. The P3s came out and it wasn't long until the P4s sprang up. Definitely not 5 years. I gave the P2 up some time back in favor of the larger capacity P4 system. I didn't have a need to go to a P3 because they weren't that much better than a P2 for most apps that were available at the time. I've had my current PC now for a couple of years and it might last 5. The point I'm making is how fast the technology can advance at times. At the current rate, things seem to have slowed down a bit. But a few years ago, things were changing pretty fast. I prefer leaving the options open. It seems the point you were making is that it isn't always best to upgrade for the sake of bragging rights. To that I would agree. Get as much use as possible, but don't refuse to upgrade when good sense dictates a system has become too obsolete to do newer tasks it wasn't intended for. Sometimes more RAM or bigger HD can be helpful. I upped that old P2 from 126MB RAM to 512 and it was good for most things including burning CDs. I drew a line at trying to use it for DVD recording though. I knew when it was time to give up.
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While you guys are on the subject of burning problems here, why is it i am able to burn every movie i drop into my burner using Decrypter then Shrink and burning it with Nero and on cheap dvd+ disks i have been buying at our local computer show when in town , i do have a fast machine which handles all the burning with no trouble , for the most part i usually only burn the main movie , sometimes i do re-author and add some of the extras, last night i even added the decal for the disk , i was a little hesitant to do so after reading somewhere it may throw the disk outta balance and cause viewing problems , but after popping it into my cheap walmart symphonic player it plays beautiful, the movie was Enemy at the Gates, is their a reason i have no issues , if i can post anything here about my system that might help others burn with no issues i would be happy to do so , i hate reading when people are having all sorts of problems burning and my stuff goes so smooth , 3 mos. ago i had no idea how to even burn a movie , i learned everything from this site , this place is awsome as are its members , Rock On Afterdawn!!!!!
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Glad to see you're trouble free. Even the knowlegdgable enthusiasts of recording DVDs have had their ups and downs. When trying to stick to the best media and hardware, there have been issues of compatibility, not to mention the brands selling some questionable products. Add to that some hardware companies selling faulty equipment. Also, in the scheme of things, drives need firmware updates, sometimes straight out of the box. Then you have the quality manufacturers of recordable media that have an occasional problem with their new products. Not to mention software issues... All in all, I'd say you're one lucky person. The best advice I can offer anyone is try to find the better media when possible, use good equipment that has a decent track record, and make sure there are no issues with the software. Just 3 simple things to remember, but don't be surprised if there is an occasional problem anyway.
@gr8jeep
Hope you knocked on wood when you made that post. LOL Hope your luck holds. Out of curiosity, would you run DVD Identifier or the like and let us know what the manufacturer code of the cheap media you're using is? Brand and manufacturer names aren't always the same, what name are they being sold under as well? Also, what is the speed and format? I sometimes like to know what media we're talking about.
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Well again like i said i have learned everything from you guys so just tell me what i need to do to identify the disks and i will get to it , pretty sure when its burning it sez starting burn at 4x , i believe somewhere i set that at that speed,i figure if i have already watched the movie whats the hurry with the burn,i guess i'm looking for quality not speed, as for the disks there is absolutly no writing what so ever on them, about my system , 3.2 p4, 1.5 on ram and the burner i believe is a liteon, msi mobo, thermaltake fan, 120 gig serial ata hd, radeon 9800 pro 256mb, all this is to run Battlefield 2 which scince i have been burning movies seems to have been put on hold :) , and right now i'm knocking on wood like a mad man so my luck doesn't change!!!!!
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re. gr8jeep on 'why is it i am able to burn every movie i drop into my burner using Decrypter then Shrink and burning it with Nero and on cheap dvd+ disks'
I suggest you just haven't run into problematic Factory DVD movies 'reading' in your DVD burner yet. After burning over 250 movies now, and even after installing AnyDVD i still have the occassional problem w/my 'older' 4x HP DVD 300n 3.11 Burner recognizing certain factory DVDs, namely some Sony Picture movies made here but especially from Asia or the UK..
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@gr8jeep
To c ur actual manifacturer download DVD Identifier from here and then post ur results... U maybe suppriesed... What brobear is talkin bout is u might have a decent burn nut is it durable and long lasting thats what good media brings for a user.
Cheap media is good for a temp answer never for major backups
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DVD Identifier
http://www.afterdawn.com/software/video_software/dvd_tools/dvd_id...
There u go keep us posted with ur results...
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