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Why Is It So Difficult to Copy DVDs? (A Guide for Newbies)
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PlusMinus
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16. September 2005 @ 10:01 |
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4 or 5 programs to make a DVD copy? Reading the posts here would lead many to abandon the thought of even attempting to copy DVD's. I've been making copies with no problems whatsoever. I use the cheapest +RW discs (yes, rewritable), DVDXCOPY version 1.X, and a cheap +/-DVD burner that cost me $50 new. The copies have no compression and are essentially perfect. The source and copy cannot be distinguished from one another upon A/B comparison on a high quality monitor. It takes 2 single sided discs to copy a DVD in it's entirety, but who cares? If I decide I don't really want a copy that I made, the discs are reusable. What could be easier? What is the point of editing a movie before burning a copy? Is the goal to save the cost of a second blank disc? How much is your time worth?
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diverj
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18. September 2005 @ 06:03 |
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Plus,
I agree AND disagree with your post to certain extents. While I agree, that using many different programs to get the job done is not necessary, you will never get anyone to agree with you or another about quality. While I may not see a difference in quality between some programs, others with more discernible eyes may. So many programs are used, and many folks are happy.
I do not agree with you an media. I DO BELIEVE you should use the very best media you can afford to purchase. Purchasing the cheapest ANYTHING when you can afford the medium or even the best is a recipe for disaster, unless you know for certain that your cheapest product will yield similar results and you are prepared to replace it sooner.
As far as cheap DVDs, that means, DVDs of important things, degrading over a shorter amt. of time and loosing your archive.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 18. September 2005 @ 06:04
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ScubaBud
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18. September 2005 @ 06:16 |
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@ PlusMinus
Quality TY media can be purchased for 38 cents a disk. By burning "movie only" a single disk is used, (little or no compression is needed.) Xcopy does have manual select features that can enhance a dvd burn, but it cannot copy certain movies that have the newer protection used by some in the movie industry so an additional program is needed for that as well such as AnyDVD.
Again, there may be some here that think burning a DVD is difficult as per prior posts, (maybe they like to make it more then it really is,) but ANYONE that reads the guides to burning a DVD by ScubaPete or BBmayo will be burning in less then 5 minutes flat!
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zest
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18. September 2005 @ 13:11 |
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ok here is my 3 cents for dvd backups
for movies after getting rid of unwanted features
if compression is 85% or higher i use recode 2 with anydvd
for movies where compression is 84% or less i use dvdrebuilder with hc
when using dvdrebuilder pro i always burn with dvd decrypher ( works better)
for episode disks i forget about compression alltogethor and use dvdfab gold - this software breaks the episode disk in two and yet retains the relevent menu on both - works well , besides blanks are getting cheeper all the time so why not
i use AnyDVD to break the code
allways spend your money on good media, i use to use ridata but have read that they degrade with time so i now use ty
i get the best deals on ty from www.blankmedia.ca or www.memoryexpress.com
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Lumbastio
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18. September 2005 @ 19:35 |
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I have never heard that it is possible to break a DVD into two separate files. So I can take any DVD and spread them over 2 or more disks? How can that be done and what programs do you use? Since that would make any encoding unnecessary, it will give the best quality and no headache. But if you don't need compression to fit it into DVD, the why not use something like Nero to burn? I still think that TY media is the best because besides the quality playback, I want to make sure that the DVD's will last for decades (I think TY is said to last 100 years or so.)
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NEC 3540A
BEST QUALITY DVD BURNING (in order of function):
1) AnyDVD 5.4
2) DVD Decrypter
3) DVD Rebuilder 1.00RC60Pro
4) CCE SP
5) Nero 6.6 Ultra
[InterVideo DVD Copy 4]
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19. September 2005 @ 04:17 |
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PlusMinus
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21. September 2005 @ 12:21 |
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AAARRRGGGHHHH!!!
I have a retraction. After reading many of the articles and posts on AD, I attempted to play the DVD copies that I made but have never viewed. Much to my horror, a few of them won't play or play with errors. So I must take back what I said about DVDXCOPY. It's time to fire up DVD Shrink and DVD Decrypter. Thanks to all the posters who have shown me the error of my ways!
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Lumbastio
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21. September 2005 @ 19:32 |
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Actually, the idea of copying the DVD without compressions is a very good one, so don't give up on it so easily, especially when using programs like Rebuilder might be a little more complex and not always problem free. Here are some recommendations to fix your problems: as arnie recommended, you should try using DVD Clone since many people have been having good experiences with that software. If you do not want to split your DVD's, then the best program to use is the DVD Rebuilder Pro with CCE. This is an encoder instead of a transcoder and will give you the best quality possible. If you want to transcode, then instead of RB you could use InterVideo DVD Copy, which yields the best quality as a transcoder and is second only to RB. The dark side is that this software is known for causing notorious errors and thus many people give up on it.
Nevertheless, your number one problem is your cheap media, so don't even think about changing software or hardware before you stop your inveterate inclination of using cheap DVD's. Go to rima.com and buy yourself Taiyo-Yuden media (~$30 for 50 DVD+R.) These are the best DVD's available. After you buy them, only then you can decide what software you should use because no matter what you use, you will always have coasters if the media is of poor quality, even if you use RB or Shrink. If media did not matter, people with so much experience wouldn't bother about buying only the best. Think about it.
XP SP2
512MB RAM
Pentium IV CPU 1.80GHz
NEC 3540A
BEST QUALITY DVD BURNING (in order of function):
1) AnyDVD 5.4
2) DVD Decrypter
3) DVD Rebuilder 1.00RC60Pro
4) CCE SP
5) Nero 6.6 Ultra
[InterVideo DVD Copy 4]
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22. September 2005 @ 04:18 |
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@PlusMinus
DVDXcopy was good in its day, but that is in the past. It no longer can crack new encryptions, and it totally lacks burn control which is why you are expreriencing errors on that cheap media. Yes many new burners can handle the higher speeds with ease, but not with cheap media. If you are using cheaper media you need to lower the burn speed and not burn to the edge of the disk. You would be better off just outputting your ripped DVD from Xcopy to your hard drive and then using another program to burn. Of course you will still have a size problem because Xcopy utilizes all of the space. I rarely use my old 321 Xcopy anymore. I am beta testing the new version and so far it is not good they have not fixed the burn speed issue and it does not reauthor TV series disks well or crack any of the newer versions.
You would be better off using AnyDVD and CloneDVD both are supported, updated fast and you can specify size/speed/output. You can re-author and keep your menu on both disks. They are cheap in comparison to other programs, and work. If you want the best quality then use DVD RB it is an excellent program once you figure it out, but even it is not without flaws.
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22. September 2005 @ 16:42 |
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I am about to buy an external DVD Recorder for my computer and I have several movies saved on my harddrive. I have used DVD43 to override the copy-protect and then just literally copied the entire dvd by cut and paste. I then use IFOEdit to weed out any of the ifo protection.
Am I going to need anything else when I hook up my dvd recorder (which will do the double layer) and I want to paste these on to the dvd and record?
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22. September 2005 @ 23:51 |
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I am about to buy an external DVD Recorder for my computer and I have several movies saved on my harddrive. I have used DVD43 to override the copy-protect and then just literally copied the entire dvd by cut and paste. I then use IFOEdit to weed out any of the ifo protection.
Am I going to need anything else when I hook up my dvd recorder (which will do the double layer) and I want to paste these on to the dvd and record?
gallagher,
I'm assuming that you're pretty much familiar with DVD43 already. Yes... DVD43 is a very useful cracking engine that will bypass, and or crack the protection codes that was put onto the original dvds. If you have the latest from DVD43 (version 3.6.2.111), then it should be able to crack nearly 99.99% flawlessly. I've had DVD43 since March and I've never encountered any issue whatsoever.
Since you'll be getting a DL dvd writer, now all you need is to get DVD Decrypter from this site (yes... afterdawn.com still has the latest from DVD Decrypter) and believe me, it's definitely one top notch ripper program to have. DVD Decrypter will rip and backup any DVD9 (DL) beautifully - not only that but it still rip and decrypt any new encrypted protection codes flawlessly. All you need to do is open up DVD Decrypter, ISO, Read R and Decrypt the movie to your hard drive. Once that process is successfully completed. Just insert your DL blank into your dvd burner, ISO, Write and browse to your files that DVD Decrypter ripped earlier and back it up.
On the other hand, if you're thinking about encoding (compressing) the movie into a DVD5 (single layer 4.7GB disc), then I highly recommend you to get DVD Shrink from this site as well (yes...it's one useful encoding program, and it's free). Once you've done ripping the movie using DVD Decrypter (using Mode, File F to rip and decrypt<--- this is the best method so far) into your hard drive. Just open up DVD Shrink, click on Open Files, and set your "custom size" to "4360MB" and encode or compress the files and you should be all set to go. Once DVD Shrink is done, just backup the movie by using either DVD Decrypter or Nero (your choice of burning engine). DVD Shrink should have a "backup target" in the settings for you to set your desire engine such as DVD Decrypter or Nero.
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24. September 2005 @ 07:45 |
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Okay,
I finally got an I/O Magic External DVD Recorder Dual Format/Double Layer.
What I am doing is using DVD43 and then opening a DVD and cut and pasting the entire dvd onto a file folder. I then use the IFOEdit and then turn on the Nero Recode 2.0 to burn it onto the DVD. I am using Sony DVD+R 4.7 GB right now.
I have now burnt 4 movies successfully. Does this procedure sound right or am I doing things in a cumbersome manner? Is this the quick route for quality flicks?
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28. September 2005 @ 10:09 |
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How do i burn a DVD that i have copied to my hard drvie as The VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS Fodler ? Anyone help, i am a newbie at all of this
PS I dont have a DVD burner just a DVD and CD Rom Drive
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28. September 2005 @ 18:20 |
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that depends on what softwrae u have. basically u open ur software and find copy files to dvd. then browse to find that file and then pick video-ts and burn. write back on what software u have and im sure someone on here can help step by step.
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29. September 2005 @ 10:13 |
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I got Nero But i Can Get Whatever is Needed Very Easily Off Ares Or LimeWire
Is It Possible to do with Nero ?
Big Thanks To Jamaal10!
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Lumbastio
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1. October 2005 @ 08:54 |
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Nero is fine. First, you have to make sure that your DVD is under 4.7GB's, otherwise Nero won't burn it and you will need an encoder like DVD Rebuilder (free or 10$) for best quality or a transcoder, like InterVideo Copy or DVD Clone.
So if it is under4.7, in Nero choose the DVD-Video mode and drag all the files from the Video_TS folder into the Video_TS folder in Nero. The audio folder is usually empty. Now you can burn.
XP SP2
512MB RAM
Pentium IV CPU 1.80GHz
NEC 3540A
BEST QUALITY DVD BURNING (in order of function):
1) AnyDVD 5.4
2) DVD Decrypter
3) DVD Rebuilder 1.00RC60Pro
4) CCE SP
5) Nero 6.6 Ultra
[InterVideo DVD Copy 4]
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1. October 2005 @ 11:00 |
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My Nero will do DVD 5 or 9 and I have an I/O double layer burner. So compression is only necessary if I buy the single layer--which I always do. I want to but the double layer DVD's eventually but they are still more expensive.
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honkin
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17. October 2005 @ 17:22 |
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I tried changing the Book Type in DVD Decrypter, with no luck.
I have been having a terrible time copying since I upgraded firmware in my Sony DW22a from BYS1 to the Liteon 1633S (which I understand it actually is). I only use Verbatim Datalife Plus, so media shouldn't be an issue.
I copied Series 1 of Family Guy with no problems just using DVD Decrypter. There were a couple of points where it skipped, but was OK.
Since the upgrade, it is just coasters. I even tried changing the Book Type option in DVD Decrypter as suggested. Family Guy Series 3 ripped with DVD Decrypter and burnt with both DVD Decrypter and DvDX Platinum were coasters. DvDX Platinum skipped and froze at points right from the start. DVD Decrypter at least played for an hour almost perfectly before locking at an episode change.
I am using XP SP2 with 1Gb RAM.
Any suggestions as to what to do? Do I just flash back to mty old BYS1 Sony firmware? Seems a bit defeatest.
Any help gladly appreciated.
Here are the results of the latest Disc Quality results in Nero CD-DvD Speed.
General Information
Drive: LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1633S
Firmware: BS0K
Disc: DVD+R DL (MKM 001)
Selected speed: Maximum
PI errors
Maximum: 83
Average: 5.03
Total: 90952
PI failures
Maximum: 2
Average: 0.04
Total: 1332
PO failures: n/a
Jitter: n/a
Scanning Statistics
Elapsed time: 23:51
Number of samples: 209641
Average scanning interval: 1.12 ECC
Glitches removed: 5
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17. October 2005 @ 17:50 |
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honkin
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17. October 2005 @ 23:16 |
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OK, so I just upgraded to the BSOS firmware. It still does not show Verbatim Datalife Plus media when I look at the firmware file in Omnipatcher - not really sure how to add it.
I tried Scuba Pete's guide this time to copy a DL DvD. No issues to rip it, I used DVD Decrypter using the ISO Read mode (recommended by Scuba Pete for DvDs with episodes). Then loaded the file into DVD Shrink, changed the settings he recommended and proceeded with the burn. The worst copy so far, with no offence meant to Scuba Pete. Is absolutely unplayable - just freezes.
If I forgot to mention I am attempting to play these on a standalone DvD player, excuse me. Just have better things to do than watch a movie sitting at my PC. I need to be able to rip and burn so that a standalone player can watch it. I really just want straight DL copies.
Any suggestion as to a better configuration of ripper, encoder and burner etc? This movie (Family Guy Series 3) has no RCE Protection - just uses CSS/CPPM, so DVD Decrypter should not have issues.
Crazy thing is I did series one of Family Guy with the same burner. It was also DL, the only difference was I still had my original BYS1 firmware and it was playable, with only a couple of points where it skipped, but still quite watchable.
Please, any help gladly accepted.
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18. October 2005 @ 01:36 |
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@honkin
What format is your Verbatim media (i.e. DVD+R or DVD-R)? How old is your stand alone dvd player? If it's nearly 2 years old and older, then you definitely need to book type the DVD+R, DVD+RW, DVD+R DL into DVD-ROM format (DVD Decrypter has the capability to change the "book type" for your Lite-On burner). This will make is easier for your dvd player to read/play.
How fast did you burned? If all you want is a straight DL burn, then just have DVD Decrypter to do a 1:1 copy.
- Mode, ISO, Read R to your hard drive (and wait until it's completed)
- Mode, ISO, Write W (when you're ready)
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18. October 2005 @ 03:49 |
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Then loaded the file into DVD Shrink, changed the settings he recommended and proceeded with the burn
Why are you changing any settings, it is as alkohol states a straight iso read and then write mode. You open the MDS file and then proceed to burn. The MDS file contains the info from the disk and the exact layer break. This is directly from LUK on burning a 1.1 copy. As for skips and stutters, that could be your standalone, I had a 8 month old Sanyo standalone that would not play dl media, I replaced it with a Sony. Yet my 4 year old Toshiba plays them fine. Check and make sure your player can read this media.
http://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers
As far as firmware that is what is current for the Lite-on, if it is not working then flash it back.
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18. October 2005 @ 10:25 |
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I did some tenative research which lead me to DVD Cloner II. Tried to burn with it and made 2 coaster. Bummed out! $59.00 poorer.
I located and joined this forum doing a google search on September 30, 2005. I spent about 4 days reading everything that I could find regarding burning backups of my DVD movies.
I then bought AnyDVD and CloneDVD2 and burned 4 movies without a hitch.
My MB fried and I had to send the unit in for repair. In the meantime I read and read and read and asked questions of this forum. Learned a lot and downloaded dvdShrink and dvdDecrypter. I got my unit back last friday and have backedup 30 movies using dvdShrink and decrypter without a hitch. I have played them and they work fine. I have used Maxell's, Sony's, and Fuji's.
I am fairly computer savy, but I did not find dvd backups to be difficult.
With the proper software and burnspeed and common sense it does not compare to the difficulty of calculus.
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18. October 2005 @ 11:37 |
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With the proper software and burnspeed and common sense it does not compare to the difficulty of calculus
How astute of you, you have summed it up in one sentence, good job :)
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Lumbastio
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20. October 2005 @ 22:35 |
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9mmb, DVD burninng obviously does not compare to calculus. Nevertheless, this is also relative because it depends what level of calculus are you talking about. If you mean simple differentiation and integration, then I have to say it's easier to do that. But if you go into polar equations with multivariable triple integrals, then you are right. Just like in calculus, DVD burning also has levels. I'm relatively new to DVD burning also (beginning of September), but if you think that using Shrink is all there is to it, you are wrong. Shrink yields poor quality (pixelation) and if you want to reach the next level, you should at least attempt using more advanced programs like Rebuilder or at least Recode or Intervideo, that is only if you care about quality. I believe that DVD burning should be much easier, but it is not. Hence the creation of this thread. Good luck in your endeavors.
XP SP2
512MB RAM
Pentium IV CPU 1.80GHz
NEC 3540A
BEST QUALITY DVD BURNING (in order of function):
1) AnyDVD 5.4
2) DVD Decrypter
3) DVD Rebuilder 1.00RC60Pro
4) CCE SP
5) Nero 6.6 Ultra
[InterVideo DVD Copy 4]
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