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The DVD Label Myth
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sd72667
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10. February 2006 @ 14:11 |
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draigh,
Beleive or not I'm happy for you, you figured out a method that most of these guys around here couldn't, and that it works for you. Don't mind them at all, some of them are just jelous of you. Anyway, if you dont mind satisfy my curiousity and can you please post a scan of a disk for me. Thank you!
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What "method" have we not figured out? It's proven that Memorex media is junk.
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10. February 2006 @ 17:21 |
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draigh
I applaude your taking the time to figure that out.
I do use labels myself, but always use good media, also never burn faster than 4X speed.
( use Verbatim -R's, going to be switching to TY's -R as soon as I run out of my Verbatims).
Have always heard mixed Ideas about labeling.
To johnny25, what's w/ polyster film you speak of ??
Also what kind of software do you need for it ?
I use Full Face Labels for my DVD's, do they come in full face ?
Also what's w/ these printers for printable dvd labels ?
What software works for those also ?
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DogBomb
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10. February 2006 @ 23:59 |
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If your DVD player or PC drive hums or the DVD vibrates in the player, it's a sure sign that there's some warping or imbalance. Your player might be good in compensating for these problems including bad burns, but if you lend them to a friend with a not-s-good player, then all the imperfections show up.
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11. February 2006 @ 01:14 |
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@ Draigh, come back in a couple of years then say that memorex media & labels are a good thing. Esp when the glue has degraded & the label lifts (due to heat) & ruins your drives.
I think you may be surprised with the results....or lack of them.
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ScubaBud
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11. February 2006 @ 03:39 |
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To anyone reading this thread, taking the advice of the majority of members or taking the advice of a few... It's always your choice! <G>
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cparent
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11. February 2006 @ 05:23 |
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When your media is a few months old and won't play any more, try pealing the label off and see what else comes off with it.
I am almost certain that the glue used on the labels affect the media quality over time as it reacts with the disc itself.
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11. February 2006 @ 05:54 |
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I'm still waiting for that scan!
I doubt the scan will prove much.
I have scans galore of Genuine TY, Maxell,Verbatim and all the shock/horror brands who's name makes decent people shudder.
The scans of the Optodisc are better than the scans of the TY, Maxell,Verbatims;and yes I done-did the subject to death, last year, in the forum, to no resolution.
I find that recording speed is the diff between a good 'backup' (God forbid we 'copy') and a pixellated skipper.
I dare say that in ten years it won't matter how good your copy is, because you won't be able to buy anything to play it on anyhoo.
They will be collecting dust, just like the VHS library.
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bigt1
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11. February 2006 @ 06:28 |
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You buy a movie, then you back it up(master) then you back up your back up? So you have 3 copies of the same movie? Why would you back up your back up and not the orginal? Or don't you have the orginal.
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11. February 2006 @ 06:38 |
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So what's w/ the polyster labels ?
Also has anyone else seen or tried these disk protectors ?
I saw these @ Wal-Mart, the other day.
http://www.d-skin.com/
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11. February 2006 @ 07:31 |
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I would have to agree with the masses on this one. Alwasy start with the best media you can afford. I have several dvd players, and Verbatium is the only media I can get to work on all of my players. I have tried Memosux, Fuji, Maxell, TDK, Sony, and I am sure a few others. Verbatium is the best media as far as i can tell. But use what ever works for you.
The slower the burn the better quality that you will get. If your system is fast enough, and with the right software, you should be able to burn the movie from your hard drive to disk in 15 - 20 minuets at 1X burn speed. That is the speed I use to back up all of my media. Why rush it and compromise what you are doing?
"Always take your time to get it right the first time. That way you don't have to do things twice." (The best advice that my father ever gave me.) Well that and some thing about sex, but I don't think would be appropriate in this thread. LOL
As far as the lables, if you are backing up a copy so you save money in the long run, why spend the extra money to make the fancy lable when a Sharpie works great to lable the media? Then you will not have to worry about when the glue hardens and the media is un-playable. The orriginal DVD did not have a piece of paper glued to them. And with the amount of money spent on research by these huge companies, I think they probably know what is the best way to lable a disk. It is part of the disk. Imbedded image. They have special DVD burners coming out that have the ability to do this. Do it up!!!
That's all I have to say about that!
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johny24
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11. February 2006 @ 20:20 |
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11. February 2006 @ 21:17 |
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Not that I would ever consider labeling (I learned that lesson already), but at .75 cents a piece. I think I'll stick to my printables.
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11. February 2006 @ 22:59 |
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I am not going to repeat my CMC mag horror story about DYE ROT and how that media degraded for me in less than 6 months.
I will add something though. A while back we (myself and a few other AD regular) got in to a thread where someone was telling us that we were all stupid for not doing 16x burns all the time. I did a 16x burn to see the difference in quality, and you WILL LOOSE QUALITY if you burn at 16x. I say that because i had to prove it to myself. The poster would not put up a scan and wanted us all to convert to 16x burning based upon the posters words only. It got me a little pissed off as i knew many ppl would read that thread and imply 16x burning was the way to go.
Why should i care? Because, i want EVERYONE to have a good burn. I really don't care what speed you burn at, as long as you get good results. Because of that 16x test, i started to up my burn speed to 8x, and i had been doing 4x before. Now lately i noticed a skip and freeze on a movie i did at 8x. Guess what? I am going back to the safe and slow 4x burning speed. Even 8x is too fast for my situation as i cant stand imperfections in a back up. Not when it starts affecting the playback of the movie, even a little pixilation makes me view that burn as BAD. Not a true coaster as it is watchable, but to me, it is a failed burn. And the only thing that caused the skips was my high burn speed.
All you are gaining in a 16x burn is reduced burn time... Oh, and reduced quality, but that doesnt matter to some ppl.
Not picking on anyone here, just stating the facts.
4x burn gives MOST ppl the best quality. Not all, MOST.
Using good media give the best quality now and many years later. CMCs will not stand up to the test of time, unless you got a magic good batch of CMCs. Yes, just like magic wishes, magic batches of good CMCs don't exist. They can burn fine, and may even give you a good quality score at first. But these things deteriorate over time. Sometimes very little time, and applying a sticky label to the disc only INCREASES your chances of failure to play. It does nothing to lessen the chance, so it only INCREASES your chance of that copy not working. Something like a sharpie is cheap, effective, and doesn't add weight, glue, thicknesss to the disc the way a sticky label does.
You are entitled to your opinion about CMCs and so am i. I think they are the worst crap media out there. I will NEVER reccommend ppl to use these discs. Ive bought them before, so i have had personal experience with these discs, and they are JUNK, CRAP, Evil, Cursed discs.. I could go on, but you get the idea.
Use whatever disc you want, and burn as fast as you want. Just be ready to have lots of coasters lying around. Maybe they will work for 1 or 2 ppl out there, but the rest are going to have failures, and they will probably remember that thread where the guy said CMCs were great, and best at 16x burn speed with sticky labels applied. Many are going to ignore or overlook the part where the poster said it worked for him and that was good enough. They will come back probably looking for someone to blame, and they cant blame us old school, stuck in the mud, behind the times 4x burners, on good media.
You don't have to listen to what i say, or what anyone else says for that matter. You might want to keep the basic burning rules of burning in the back of your mind. The little light might come on in your head when you notice problems with your back up.
Ok, i have said enough. I know i am not going to convince 16x crappy media burners to change, and i am not even trying to do that. Just trying to post a warning for everyone else:
***WARNING! CMC MEDIA IS JUNK.
***WARNING! BURNING AT 16x is likely to cause coasters, or crappy backups
DANGER! DANGER! WILL ROBINSON!!
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11. February 2006 @ 23:26 |
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have been using Memorex media (between CDR, CDRW, and DVD+R) for about 8 years with only around 1 in 800 fail rate. I like Memorex because they are cheap and I have not had enough of a problem with this setup to change my mind about it.
1999 Pioneer produced the first ever DVD recorder?
Funny how these perfect label folk, most times use Memorex, with a 99.9%
success rate :)
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12. February 2006 @ 08:12 |
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Johnny24...
Have you tried these new labels yet ?
I'm also thinking about getting a printer that'll print directly, onto disc.
I am wondering if you can put an image onto disc ?
I currently use ............cdcovers.cc, save image to PC, then use MediaFace4 software to put onto label, MediaFace4 allows you to put an image & resize it to fit PERFECTLY onto disc label.
Can these printers do that too ????????????/
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ScubaBud
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12. February 2006 @ 08:19 |
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dr_no
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12. February 2006 @ 08:27 |
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I guess some of the members here didn't get me straight on my post.
Sometime you have to be able to read between the lines.
Still waiting for that scan :)
It better be a good one too!
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12. February 2006 @ 08:41 |
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dr_no,
Dont hold your breath too long :) ive seen many of these "i know best" threads and they all fall down when we ask for scientific proof.
Avoid Fast burn speeds, Dont use cheap media,, anything we say as a suggestion will be challenged by someone who "discovered" a new faster, way to do it. Prove it i say..
The fabled 16x burn CMC mag, multi-tasking, dual burn, 100% quality scan NEVER shows up for some strange reason. I think S.P.E.C.T.E.R. is involved.. LOL
Die CMC Mag!!!
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johny24
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12. February 2006 @ 08:55 |
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to dabig25
well i have been having these labels for three months since december and the playback is still good and plays in all of my dvd players.
Well if you dont have enough money for a printer or want to get another printer then stick to the labels cause so far i have these labels and they work like a charm.
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12. February 2006 @ 10:02 |
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Well johny24, have you been reading these threads, or are you having a laugh? So you have used them for 3 months & no probs! Bully for you. That is indeed an immense wealth of experience to make a safe deduction from is it not?
I think not, come back in a couple of years, then tell us you haven't had any probs. 3 months means [boldnothing I can assure you. But if you know better than people who have been burning for years, not months & burned thousands of dvds to boot, then all to you.
I give up, what the hell does it take for the message to get through?
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12. February 2006 @ 10:05 |
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hi :)
just for the hell off it, i decided this morning to grab 2 of my disc's with labels on them and do a scan with and with out the labels
i DO NOT scan my disc's ever. i am a burn and play guy
i did'nt even know what make the disc's were until now, you must bear in mind that these were burned long before i new better and found the world of AD
i have 12 grandchidren and their favourite film of all time was Secondhand Lions, so thats why i have so many lying around of the same film. so here goes, same film 2 different media makers. both disc's played fine before and after label removal.
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CMC MAG +R EO1 21st december 2004. labeled PI 544.5
PIF 209
errors 786
label removed PI 854.7
PIF 222.7
errors 0
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MCC -R 01RG20 20th december 2004. labeled PI 633.4
PIF 209
errors 0
label removed PI 20.40
PIF O.34
errors 0
to sum up, what does this say. naff all. its just a lot of figures
the point is they both played as good as each other labeled or not. no quality difference in picture, no skipping, no pixies... no nothing
@Max :)
sorry buddy to mention the dreaded cmc, but i did'nt know until i did the ID on them. lol
forgot to mention, all tests were done in the same drive
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johny24
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12. February 2006 @ 11:09 |
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to pulsar
Well if those labels came out few years ago i would have tried it for sure. But since they havent had then long ago i would be arguin with you and they came out in december so im still testing them. ABout labelling well i had failures in the past and some success so i know what the fu*( im talking about. Im been makinf dvd's since 01 so i know whats good and bad. I have injet printebable media, regular labels, and currently testing the durability on the New polyster film that works great on dvd players. About durability how do hell do i know Im freaking testing them its not like i went and bout hundreds of these labels. Ill try them out for a year and see how they are. There is nothing wrong with trial and error. ALso i dont see posts about these polyster labels the other labels they talk are paper that right regular PAPER! so theres it is.
p.s. Im not really a newbie i just lost my old password and scn
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12. February 2006 @ 11:29 |
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The fact that you have had failures speaks volumes. The fact that you have to resort to swearing (albeit veiled) to make your point, says it all too.
I am happy that you wish to try new things out & it is admirable, but the fact remains that 99.99% of people here would advise against labels & just use a sharpie instead.
Unfortunately you are reminiscent of King Canute, fighting the tide.
If I recall, he drowned.
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ScubaBud
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12. February 2006 @ 12:37 |
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As quoted below from the link provided in the post above, Memorex states that Paper Labels are a No-No!
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Paper labels are susceptible to expansion and contraction with changes in temperature. DVD players produce more heat than a CD player does. Therefore, the change in temperature will cause a paper lable to expand and contract, which in turn causes DVD playback errors. Memorex has created a special polyester film material that is guaranteed safe for DVDs and reduces playback errors.
(A side note, take a look at how Memorex spelled label, a sure bet that they know their stuff!)
The quote below is taken from the link below...
http://www.eventdv.net/Articles/ReadArticle.aspx?ArticleID=10038
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Sticking Points
Labels . . . paper or plastic? These days, using paper labels on DVDs should not be an option. There is very little margin for error with label positioning; even though there are good label applicators out there, even a slightly off-center or wrinkled label can create an imbalance that may cause wobble during playback and make a disc unplayable. What's more, the heat generated by many DVD players can cause labels to pucker and peel, which also renders the discs virtually useless. Combine that with the lower fault tolerances of newer, cheaper, off-brand DVD players?exactly the kind of players that are likely to balk at an imperfectly positioned DVD label?and they throw off the longevity predictions completely. All in all, using sticky labels is an extremely unwise business decision for anyone distributing work to clients on DVD. Many DVD manufacturers, such as Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim, have even placed notices on their Web sites stating that they do not support or recommend paper labels.
A final note to my post...
Most Afterdawn Members state that Memorex Media is a No-No! Now Memorex is stating that they have a new and improved way to label DVD's. Maybe this new way will work better then the old paper labels, but why take a chance to begin with.
Fact is that any item that rotates up to 1,600 rpm would be better off without something sticking to it, and possibly off-center. Even the scores shown in a post above reflect that the DVD Player has to compensate for those excessive PIF's to play well. Given the number of media players out there, the chances are good that they might cause that DVD to not play properly. A Sharpie used to state movie title, the main actors, date of release, Movie rating and in my case, even the quality score and media used for the burn will ALWAYS prevent any unbalance from occurring.
What happens to a tire out of balance on a vehicle going down the road? Excessive vibration, rattles, etc.? So imagine your DVD spinning at that 1,600 rpm?s with an out of balance label on it.
Now make your own educated decisions on the BEST way to handle the media that you so carefully took the time to burn.
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12. February 2006 @ 12:45 |
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I love the smile on the sharks face in your sig.
Nice one Scuba!
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