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MovieDud
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26. March 2006 @ 16:01 |
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Friends, I do have a HDTV 55 inch 16X9 and so quality is even more of a critical issue than if I watch movies on my Mit. 35 inch tube. I have DL's but lately when dealing with longer movies 2 and 1/2 hours to 3 or 4 hours I simply split the movie, each disk has a menu and they look identical to the original. I still use Rebuidler Pro/CCE Basic when I want to compress the movie to one disk and there is a slight difference between the original, but not at all to the point that I would be disappointed. Looking at the advent of HD-DVD or Blue Ray I would perhaps wait for the combo players that will play both. We know that the first year will be bug heaven and so why not wait and allow these new formats to get their feet wet but also dry. Just my thoughts.
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socrates9
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26. March 2006 @ 16:16 |
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riley577...some of us are lucky enough to be paid very handsomely so buying dual layer media and expensive HDTV equipment is not a waste of money at all. If you can't afford it that's too bad...those are the breaks I guess...but I can afford it. I used to compress my dvd's but now I don't have to. And I'm one of those that could tell the difference between compressed and uncompressed disks. Not all of them but enough of them not to wanna compress.
My recommendation to you is read the post above you again and then go do some research on google about what we discussed here. Once you have educated yourself come back and let us know what you have discovered. See you in a month!
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Bruce999
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26. March 2006 @ 16:18 |
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>>>All i can say is if you have HDTV and a massive screen , i think you ought to wait for HDTV DVD disc players and media.<<<<
Okay. I shall file that with all of the above posts you have authored. Thank you for your opinion.
I should point out, though, that I have been happily viewing HDTV programming via DirecTV for more than 4 years, and through Comcast for two years, and via my over the air antenna for five years. You may be right, perhaps I should have waited. In this case, though, I am afraid that we shall agree to disagree.
>>>>>Most people on here have ordinary Tvs and non HDTV playing equipment ,so they will be ok with burning to one disc without seeing a bad picture.<<<<<
Even if your premise is correct (and i would never offer up such a brash assumption), might I ask what this has to do with your specific response to the person who originated this thread, who is obviously not one of those to whom you refer?
>>>I think you have jumped the gun and bought HDTV stuff before the media has taken off , silly moo.<<<
That's nice. The 4.6 million people in the US who now have display sets in their homes capable of displaying an HDTV signal -- and myself -- would tend to disagree, of course.
By the way, hopefully you are aware of this, but unless Congress passes a new bill, the drop-dead deadline for analog TV is now early 2009. Less than three years. On that day, all broadcasters will be required to pull the plug on their old analog signals, and you will need to buy a special box to downconvert high quality TV so that it can be displayed on your "legacy" TV.
"Jumped the gun" indeed.
Gotta go -- the Sopranos are now on my high definition TIVO, in true high definition with Dolby Digital 5.1 audio. I suspect it will look a step or two above any DVD in your collection. Even if you brought it over to my place, and played it on one of those 4.6 million sets which can make let your DVDs exhibit their potential.
Have nice day,
-Bruce
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socrates9
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26. March 2006 @ 16:26 |
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>>>>>Gotta go -- the Sopranos are now on my high definition TIVO, in true high definition with Dolby Digital 5.1 audio. I suspect it will look a step or two above any DVD in your collection. Even if you brought it over to my place, and played it on one of those 4.6 million sets which can make let your DVDs exhibit their potential.<<<<<<
LOL!!! Nah man...those compressed disks of his will look much better than your HDTV signal.
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26. March 2006 @ 17:09 |
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those compressed disks of his will look much better than your HDTV signal
ROFLMFAO .. I agree .. some people just don't understand ...
I've burned over 250 DL discs now and I'm gonna keep using 'em whether anyone thinks I'm pukin' my cash away or not ...
Oh, and by the way ... hockey on a HD widescreen is positively awesome ...
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MovieDud
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26. March 2006 @ 19:29 |
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I'm with ya catfreak, Hockey is Awe-some on HD.
Have a good one!
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radiodude
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27. March 2006 @ 06:10 |
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I'll use SL for *most* back-up's. There are a few that may just need DL discs. The Incredibles for example has differnet angles and such, and even when I shrunk the #$%^ cout of it, I was only at around 59% ( I think), so something like this I'll use a DL some other stuff I'll shrink and get rid of all the "extras" I don't need or care about. Either way once it is put in the player pushing the menu button works jsut fine.
I'll grab a spindle of the DL discs and make them my 'special collection'
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27. March 2006 @ 06:28 |
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@radiodude, that's how I use my DL's...special backups of my block buster collection...Incredibles, Star Wars. In regards to the Harry Potters I have actually made two back ups...split the disk to two SL's and I have also made a SL using Rebuilder Pro/CCE Basic. Longer movies I will use the changing the disks as a break and grab a drink.
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sd72667
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27. March 2006 @ 08:47 |
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It is very easy for someone who does not own a HDTV to bash the new
technology. For years I just sat back and waited for the prices
to drop and the bugs to be worked out. Finally last August I purchased
a 50" Panasonic Plasma. It is beautiful. My family does not watch a lot of TV, usually just movies or HD channels. Today's TV shows are the worst in history. Every month there are more and more HD channels being broadcasted. HD is here to stay. I have a sickness. I am an audiophile and videophile.
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N2DVD
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27. March 2006 @ 13:54 |
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I got a question or comment about the compression rate as indacated in both Nero recode2 & CloneDVD2. Both of these programs can indicate say 53% compression on a given DVD. Ok, the trouble I have in finding this info reliable is that if you make your copy from a copy which originally backed up at 53% you place that copy into your drive open up either Nero or CloneDVD2 so that your making a copy of your copy and both programs indicate your compression is now at 100%? Why the change or should I say improvement? Remember I couldn't get a compression rate better than 53% from the original DVD disc. Someone please explain. My example of when this happened recently is with the movie "FlightPlan".:P
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gjrhine
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27. March 2006 @ 14:00 |
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You're kidding, right?
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riley577
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27. March 2006 @ 14:00 |
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Ok so you have HDTV in the USA , i live in the UK and its only just starting here so my comments were from someone who is still using the old technology. Ill shut up now and go and wind my gramaphone up .
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27. March 2006 @ 14:10 |
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@N2DVD
Since you already compressed the first backup to fit on a DVD-5, why would it need to be compressed again if copied? It wouldnt. That's why when you copy a backup it reads 100% or 0 compression.
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Ok, the trouble I have in finding this info reliable is that if you make your copy from a copy which originally backed up at 53% you place that copy into your drive open up either Nero or CloneDVD2 so that your making a copy of your copy and both programs indicate your compression is now at 100%?
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Bruce999
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27. March 2006 @ 15:07 |
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(from Riley577) Ok so you have HDTV in the USA , i live in the UK and its only just starting here so my comments were from someone who is still using the old technology. Ill shut up now and go and wind my gramaphone up.
I have absolutely no ill feelings toward you, I assure you. We all can forget on occasion that this forum is international, and that everyone else's own situation can be quite different from the one we experience every day.
I did not mean in any way to attack you. I do admit that I was a bit annoyed by your original response to the question -- the question posted by the originator of this thread -- which I saw as a very legitimate one.
I should also mention that I choose not to use any compression at all when I make my own backups, and this is because I am very sensitive to the issues introduced once you use compression. I actually prefer to split most of my backups onto two DVD5 discs, so I avoid any compression. In some cases, however, if the film is one I know will receive a lot of viewings in my family, I purchase DVD9s to do the job. Even before I began backing up my own DVDs, I could easily see the problems on some of the DVDs I had bought, due to an overreliance of compression. Some looked positively awful. I also had read reviews of DVDs which noted how sacrifices were made in picture quality in order to load the disc up with "extras." One notorious example was the DVD of Star Wars Episode 1 - the one with the pod race. That DVD sounds terrific, but it actually has a picture which can pixellate and break up, and look very disaappointing at times.
I will admit that I am spoiled. After years of frustration when even laser discs were often less than stunning, I was overjoyed when the DVD format was released. I also followed the development of HDTV in the US, as I realized we were all viewing TV in the US using a format (NTSC) which was originally developed to look adequate on a screen which was only 5 inches in size, or perhaps 7 inches in size.
I enjoy the home theater experience. I take pride that my picture and my audio are often superior to the picture and audio one experiences when one visits the local mall and takes a seat in one of those 16-screen multiplex cinema houses.
I also realize that this is a transition, and that it is moving more quickly in some areas of the world than in others. In the states, we had NTSC -- with only 480 lines of resolution to devote to the image. Interlaced. You, of course, had PAL. A slightly different system, but one which was also woefully deficient. Both were designed when TV sets had incredibly small screens to fill.
In the states, one can now purchase an HDTV set with a true HDTV tuner for less than $1000, and end up with 34 inches of widescreen picture. One can also buy a set with no tuner, and spend less than $600, and experience high definition with a rented cable box for perhaps $5 per month. These are US dollars, and I believe this might be an approximate translation --
$1000 US = appr. 572.92 pounds, or 832.696 Euros.
$600 US = appr. 343.276 pounds, or 499.590 Euros.
I just helped a friend install a 60 inch Sony high definition set (which has a built in high def tuner). He paid $2750.00 US -- 1573.81 pounds, or 2290.31 Euros. His picture is considered extravagantly huge, by the standards that most would judge. However, it looks excellent on any DVD material, and it makes people's mouths drop open when viewing true high definition content. This is all after I spent 4 hours calibrating, admittedly. However, the point I wish to make is this -- he probably makes slightly less than the "average" laborer, in this country. He has only 30 hours of college education, and his position is that of a teacher's aid. NOT a true "teacher," mind you, but one who is hired to merely assist other teachers in the classroom. In the US, this position is paid only slightly more than one might make working in a fast food franchise.
He saved his money, for three months, and was almost able to pay cash. He charged the set on a credit card, and mailed in more than 80% of the charges today.
HDTV may be moving a bit faster over in the "colonies," causing prices to drop a bit quicker.
Now, can we both agree to "unhijack" this thread? I believe that the real issue which underlies the original post is that of compression, and compression is something which can be so subtle as to be unnoticable in some situations, and yet can also ruin a viewing experience in other situations.
Take care, and no foul intent is intended.
-Bruce
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sd72667
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27. March 2006 @ 15:13 |
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Porn in HD is pretty cool, but closeups can get a little hairy, no pun
intended. LOL
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riley577
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27. March 2006 @ 15:32 |
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Bruce its ok, were far behind the USA in HDTV and i accept i am to. The UK has always been 5 years behind America in these things, so my remarks were also behind the times. I wont post anymore , as my knowledge is flawed and makes me look silly. Thanks for putting me right on this issue, hope the UK will catch up one day , but im not betting on it. Just make 24 in HD drool.
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gjrhine
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27. March 2006 @ 15:41 |
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If you do not even want to improve what you have got with DL media I would not worry too much about HDTV anyway. And if you think two dollars more for a DL disc is a lot wait until you take the step to HD.
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N2DVD
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27. March 2006 @ 17:15 |
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@dvdnoobie, Yeah sounds logical and I have thought the same thing. But actually these occurances vary but fail to be defined. After writing my comments above, this prompted me to examine my DVD files and many list compression as 100% but other such as the "CAVE" list the "main movie" as uncompressible?(Yet I have no problem with the file allowing me to transfer the file to DVD disc?) A History of Violence file shows as 50.8% But when I back up the file to a disc it will show 100% compression. None of my DVD files are from downloads or made from transferred formats i.e JPEG, AVI, Etc.They all originate from the original DVD disc that I own personally.:P
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