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Is this woman taking her religious beliefs a bit too far?
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24. April 2006 @ 17:10 |
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This Women has to right to talk about God, or any kind of religous beliefs. i think she is crazy and has no idea that what she is doing will get her a one way ticket stiaght to hell where ppl like her belong. My boyfriend is in the army and theres no telling if he will have to go to Iraq or not. i believe that we need to support our troops and our government on whatever descions they make. and ppl like her and her so called "church" Should seriously get help. I can't even begin to describe how terribly i want to hurt that stupid ignorant women.
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24. April 2006 @ 18:02 |
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I find this woman really nuts :) She may need a referal from me to go and see a shrink. I agree with freedom of speech, but one thing my teachers taught me when i was studying is if your goin to state something make sure you can back up your comments.
I found it funny though thats the only way i could watch it otherwise i would have just got mad. She seems to be the new version of the KKK.
I loved what the anchor said: "Your a Nut!" :) lol
Thanxs for the website ive bookmarked it and will browse it when i have a chance :)
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26. April 2006 @ 09:45 |
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What does that have to do with anything!?!?!
I saw the video about this issue earlier this morning. I love religious debate, especially when people mix politics in, but there is a time and a place. And this woman is representing a hate that has nothing to do with religion. The bible tells us to love everyone, regardless of their wrongs. It says to hate the action; but not the individual. These displays are not an act of religion anymore than the crusades were. This is a case of individuals who are very angry, and full of hate, and they believe they've found a safe cover to hide behind while they vent to the public. And I can assure you that no religion will support her actions, or the actions of any of her protestors. There is a time and a place for everything. Protesting like this at someone's funeral is neither.
Following more of the religion she claims to be rallying for; we are to be sympathetic. We are to support the leaders of our land, and whether we agree with it or not, that includes their decisions, things like going to war. It's not about whether you agree, it's about having faith in your beliefs, and faith that things will get better if you follow your religious beliefs. It's never been about calling people out; it's never been about telling people they're horrible. It's supposed to be about offering people a life choice that may or may not change them. These protestors are living their lives closer to the pharasees so often ridiculed in the new testament, for their hippocratic approach to forcing their beliefs on the world.
Regardless of your religious or political standpoint; this is wrong. I wouldn't even stand there with signs in favor of the soldier. I don't know the people at the funeral; and it is not my place to be there. Funerals, especially ones of this nature are a private affair, and should remain such.
Lastly; I would like to point out something different that has not been addressed here, and should be:
I went to Granite Hills High School. I was there when San Diego County saw it's second school shooting in two weeks. And I'm not looking for any pity or any opinions on this. I have a completely different issue to address here. About a week after the shooting, a memo went out to all the teachers, to warn us as students. A group of lawyers from Kansas was protesting all around our school. They were posing as a religious group protesting with the angriest messages they could as close to our campus as they could. Apparently, this group goes to locations where horrible, unspeakable things occur, and protest the angriest, most vile messages they can, they do this in hopes that someone will lash out at them, and then they sue. Apparently this is a very profitable business, because there are a few groups doing the same thing. We were fortunate, we had been warned. But it needs to be known that this happens. A group of this nature makes several arguments that are completely out of place and innapropriate to deliberately trigger angry reactions. It's absolutely sick, and it's wrong. But it does occur. And to be quite frank; it's the only thing that makes this group make any sense. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same exact group.
The group I saw was holding signs saying that it was our fault for some of the most horrible, racist, sexist, and politically incorrect reaons I've ever seen in writing. And nothing fits the profile better.
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26. April 2006 @ 11:39 |
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If you had read the note underneath you may have seen how it pertains to the discussion....
Do you honestly think I would post something that was not relevant? You obviously don't know me do you?
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26. April 2006 @ 14:50 |
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I had to come home before watching this video and immediately recognized the group; its led by a guy named "Rev." Fred Phelps. For many years now, he's been operating a web site called "God hates fags dot com". The fool has been around for a long time (Personally, methinks he doth protest too much LOL!) This new turn of events is still related to gays. He's preached for a long time that God punishes the country because it tolerates homosexuality. Now, with the supreme court having thrown out sodomy laws, with antidiscrimination laws being passed etc. he feels that fighting for the country amounts to upholding its laws therefore, upholding sin and "the wages of sin is death". Philly has a huge gay population, just behid Frisco and NY I think; he and his nut cases have been here many times protesting one thing or another. Apparantly, now he's carried it further than ever before although his web site has been around for years; now, defending your country amounts to defending homosexuality. If you think that woman in the vid is nuts, you should hear Fred Phelps, her minister!
Ten years ago or so, an eighteen or nineteen year old gay kid named Shepard (I think) was brutally tortured and left to slowly die ... I think he was crucified or some equally sick thing. This Phelps guy went crazy defending the murders and last year or the year before, he wanted to put up a large monument on the spot where the kid was killed which read something like "On __1995, Shepard was killed on this spot according to god's justice and went straight to hell where he will burn for eternity" ... I'm paraphrasing obviously. They have this real obcession with gay people and again, methinks he doth protest too much!
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26. April 2006 @ 17:32 |
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After re-reading this, I will concede your less than obvious, but clearly existent point. I was wrong.
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26. April 2006 @ 23:54 |
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i watched this idiot the night she was on fox new channel i do belive in free speech but NOT when it underminds the truth. hope she enjoys hell when she gets there ,hopefully soon!!!!!
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27. April 2006 @ 10:01 |
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Well; from the looks of it, she's already enjoying it. Because religion should never be about that kind of anger and hatred. Nowhere in the bible is this kind of behavior supported. It is discouraged, undermined, and negated.
This isn't an act of faith; this is an act of blatant anger and hatred. And I am really bothered when people associate anger, hate, racism, and sex with politics or religion. These things should never be mixed, they don't belong together.
Politics and Religion should have no connection to anger and hate.
The followers of this church are clearly weak willed, and easily susceptable to coercion. As someone said before; this is the same mentality that made the KKK so big and so scary for so long. People who aren't prepared to stand up and say "You're wrong." and just follow someone they know is wrong, all the way to the grave.
The 'rev' is a sick, sick man. And while I'm not here to judge his salvation; I do look forward to the day his hateful influence leaves this earth; we don't need it.
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27. April 2006 @ 12:13 |
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I think maybe it's getting them the spotlight which may well have been their play. They've been protesting against gay people for years and operated their "godhatesfags dot com" website also for a long time but if you're a publicity seeker, these things are way out of the mainstream and will go without notice of the general public. Moving their campaign into the mainstream in such a dramatic way will raise a general public outcry to be sure but these types of nut cases are not rare and I'll bet, as a recruitment tool, its working well...just a guess but there are plenty of such crazies who would be attracted to them.
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27. April 2006 @ 17:08 |
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This pathetic excuse for a human being is obvious so brainwashed by her family members that no amount of argument could ever sway her. She could probably be a poster child for why laws forbid inbreeding. No telling how many generations of "church folk" have twisted her mind. We can only hope that one Saturday night in the snake handling ceremony, her Lord might just take here out of her misery. Jane Fonda was scary but this bit*h is downright evil.
However I will defend her right to say what she wants, any time or anywhere she wants. We cannot make exceptions to free speech.
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28. April 2006 @ 10:33 |
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You raise an interesting question in my mind. Freedom of speech is definitely of huge importance to all of us as Americans.
At the same time, the KKK pleaded this in courtrooms all over America, allowing them to get away with their heinous hate crimes.
Even pro-nazi movements plead this same right, to allow their continued evil.
At what point does freedom of speech hinder us as a nation? And at what point does someone like this use the very rights we hold dear, to hurt progress and peaceful co-existence?
While I'm not interested in members of the same sex; I certainly feel that the law provides all of us with equal rights; regardless of race, sex, religion, etc. And those rights are to be upheld. Movements like this, supporting the brutal murder of individuals; condemning dead soldiers who fought for our country; all because they feel that something is wrong..... These are dispicable, evil, actions. At what point can this be acted upon? At what point do we take these people aside, point our finger right in their face and say "NO" in the same way as when we tell the dog not to poop inside?
I mean seriously; this is too far. When will people like this stop?
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28. April 2006 @ 10:45 |
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You can't start to make exceptions to ANY free speech. If one group manages to muffle the pro Nazis or KKK then another group might get the prolifers quieted. No exceptions can ever be made or it will no longer be FREE speech, but free speech with strings. On this the old founding Fathers had it dead center. That's why when my generation began to burn flags and draft cards, they were allowed to continue no matter how odious it was to some people. If not for these efforts no telling how many more Americans would have died. We don't seem to learn our history very well either. Iraq's time is coming to this generation.
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28. April 2006 @ 11:03 |
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There are limitations at which point it becomes hate crime, as opposed to speech.
Especially here in California, where the Governor passed SB1234- A bill revising protections for alternative lifestyles without any noted specifications of hate speech. Churches here are scared to preach on the topic, or even discuss it at all; due to legalities. Many preachers have taken an attitude of 'so be it' and continue professing their faith; but it should never be such an issue that you are scared of being sued for reading the bible in your own church. I don't care what faith you are.
This is a horrible, extreme case for us. But the point I wish to make is that there are lines where speech ends, and hate crime begins. There is also a clear issue with rights on freedom of speech. Both some people trying to take it away; and some people abusing it to spread a hate that should never be present anywhere in America.
People like this, serve only to prove that bills like SB1234 should be supported. But then come issues like what is being faced in CA. I don't think that freedom of speech means freedom to persecute others in public, because of their race, lifestyle, gender, religion, political views, or other life choices. I sincerely hope that America remembers that it has a right to say whatever it wishes; but it also has the responsibility to make sure it says something worth saying.
I urge everyone to truly think before making blod statements like these. Bold statements are not always bad, they can be very great. They can alter the direction of nations. But when made without thought; without regard; we see people like these protestors, the kkk, and the nazis. I'm not advocating censorship. I would absolutely never do such a thing. People in this state are suffering for it. I'm advocating the idea of thinking for yourself; and thinking before you put an idea out into the public.
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28. April 2006 @ 13:58 |
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Garmoon said: That's why when my generation began to burn flags and draft cards, they were allowed to continue no matter how odious it was to some people. If not for these efforts no telling how many more Americans would have died.
No telling how many people those actions actually killed. You ever look at that side of it?
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We don't seem to learn our history very well either. Iraq's time is coming to this generation.
Oh my! You are an ostrich? Stick that head in the sand and pretend there was/is no threat to us. How many times have we had terrorist actions taking place in this country since 9/11? Do you give any credit to the current administration for them not happening?
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28. April 2006 @ 14:43 |
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@GrandpaBW
You got any idea how he's gonna get us out of the mess that Iraq has become?
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You got any idea how he's gonna get us out of the mess that Iraq has become?
He won't be able to finish with Iraq. If you have noticed he just goes in and invades but does nothing else but he say's that we are creating democracy but may i remind you before he went to Iraq he went to Afganstan and that has not even ended yet???
Now he wants Iran. In my personal opion its all about black gold and nothing else.
The sad thingg is how many inoccent people have to have their lives destroyed before we realise that just because we come from different lands and races religous backgrounds we are all human, just trying to survive.
If you study religion all religions in their core belifs belive in the same things. It's only the misinturprutation of the teachings of their religions that make people go wayward.
Religions underlining purpose is to Unite Humanity.
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28. April 2006 @ 16:33 |
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Wow; this is going somewhere really fun. I'm staying out of this one until it goes back to the original topic. I tend to get really bullheaded in these ones. But I see a lot of very educated opinions forming, which is better than the average:
"You're stupid! We should do this!"
"No! You're a stupid bigothead!"
....I'm used to seeing arguments that are just that ignorant.
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28. April 2006 @ 18:34 |
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Hmmm,
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Religions underlining purpose is to Unite Humanity.
Unfortunately, it has nearly always been to unite humanity under their particular view of diety worship. Or non-worship.
What that Church does is so disrespectful to the deceased, family and friends is unconscionable. Attempting to add more hurt to promote their views is sadistic. What did that individual do, by himself, to anger these people? By serving in the US Military? I am sure his option to serve in the military was not specifically to promote or promote homosexuallity in the USA.
@GrandpaBW..... I know where you're coming from.
As for the group from Kansas who are using this tactic to create grounds to file civil lawsuits and reap the benefits from awards..... What the hell do you think the ACLU is doing everyday??
This woman/church has the right to say what ever they want to say. They are not prosecuted for it. But as "handsom" has pointed out, more moderate voices are being stiffled in the move to curb or deter "Hate Speach". Freedom of speach being infringed here? It seems that you are allowed to speak about & promote "alternate lifestyles", but not speak against "alternate lifestyles".
The world is going crazy. If a woman pats me on the butt, and says "nice" buttocks. I am not sure if I can sue or have her prosecuted for sexual assault, sexual harrasment, unwanted physical contact or simple assault. The same if she calls me honey or baby. And she ain't my old lady.
Anyway, I agree with the concensus, she is nut's.
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28. April 2006 @ 21:39 |
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garmoon, its a mess if you look at it from the liberal side of things (which most will in here) the people of Iraq have freedom for the first time in years .or we could just be cowards and let the terrorist win it doesnt happen over night and freedom is worth fighting for!!!!!
and Garmoon Burce(Grandpap) fought in Vietnam so the idiots you talk of(and maybe you) could burn draftcards and flags ,i would hope you would rethink that statement.
i can see this turning ugly with the liberal veiwpoints in here as it has before so its ON !!!! if you guys want it belive me!!!!!!!!
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28. April 2006 @ 23:03 |
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Liberal or not, I see people agreeing that the video and views which this topic was started on, is a wrongful abuse of basic rights. Just because you can say something horrible doesnt mean you should. I also see people agreeing about the war that started all this
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Now he wants Iran. In my personal opinion its all about black gold and nothing else.
I thought it was WMD's just like we were told and had faith in government about.
How was there knowledge of WMD's? Bush has the reciept.
I dont think anyone disagrees about what the best outcome of all this could be. Some liberals might disagree with the dishonesty of the beginings and tactics throughout. How come the major companies the Bush family represents or are affiliated with are the ones making the most money from this? Back on topic, I think we now see extreme craziness from all religions from all sides, good ideas twisted into something unrecognizable. Follow my math here a minute.
I dont like your philosiphy and that lifestyle displeases my God + certain type of religion = Run airplanes into buildings to proove a point.
I dont like your philosiphy and that lifestyle displeases my God + certain type of religion = Protest funerals of those who died letting you have the freedom to protest a funeral. Any similarities?
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29. April 2006 @ 05:19 |
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Here we go with the liberal viewpoint bashing again....
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if you people really think there wasnt any WMDs then people are bigger idiots than i even thought!!!!! sadam gased millions of people with it remember duh!!! looks like its on guys so lets do it politics and aD isnt it great!!!!!! hummm and tech fourm well used to be anyway!!!
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29. April 2006 @ 09:27 |
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politics + internet forums = trouble
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