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LDee
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4. September 2006 @ 16:24 |
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sorry to post again so soon and so many times, but I'm just trying to give as much info in one go.
Something else that's happened for no apparent reason is the red windows security alert is in the system tray now, saying I dont have virus protection, which I do. My anti virus settings or programs have been changed at all. This happened after installing the ati drivers and control centre.
I'll also let you know how I generally get it to boot incase theres any clues in that. I know it's a bit weird but it's the only thing I've found that is to my disposal. I have to boot to the ubuntu disc and run the memory check, I have to leave it until its done at least 10% of the memory check then press esc to reboot, then windows starts. If I reboot after like 8%, windows doesnt start.
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ddp
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4. September 2006 @ 19:34 |
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can you try the videocard in another computer? do you have or can get a spare drive to load windows on as an experiment?
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dolphin2
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4. September 2006 @ 21:45 |
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Try the generic (Microsoft) drivers for the graphics card. Your resolution choices will be limited, but it will let us know how the card is performing.
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4. September 2006 @ 22:24 |
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Are you still getting the two BSOD errors?
STOP: 0x00000074 is sometimes caused by two ntldr's and ntdetect's.
Words "nothing to do with RAM" edited. :)
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4. September 2006 @ 22:38 |
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4. September 2006 @ 22:50 |
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Ok, ok, nothing was a bad word to use. :D
Should have said, "sometimes it is caused by..."
But, RAM isn't the problem so I'm assuming two ntldr's and ntdetect's is a problem.
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LDee
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5. September 2006 @ 03:58 |
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I cant think of another computer that I could try the card in sorry, nor do I have a spare hd that I can load windows onto. um, but i guess i really do need to try the card in another pc, ill have to find a way to do that...
I am having trouble finding the generic drivers, keep ending up back in ati's driver download section. They will be on the xp cd? Anyway, I dunno if I'll be able to remove the current ones, that didnt work last time.
No I havent seen a BSOD for a while, since I changed the ram settings and cleaned the contacts first.
As for two ntldrs and ntdetects, are you saying I have this? How and why did/could that happen?
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5. September 2006 @ 05:41 |
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Go into Device Manager and uninstall the card. Reboot. The generic drives will install automatically.
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5. September 2006 @ 14:47 |
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I'm not saying you have two of 'em. I'm just saying it's a posibility. It is caused by dual booting meaning Windows installed new one's but, you still have the old one's in place. I'm not sure how to fix this other than formmating the HD and I'm sure you don't want to do that, but it is looking like that is the way you'll have to go.
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LDee
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6. September 2006 @ 02:57 |
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I don't have a dual boot setup, I recently formatted and did a fresh install also. Is there a possibility the old ntldr could be left behind? Um, but are these restart problems characteristic of 2 ntldrs? And the way I have to tinker with the ram settings to get it to boot, would that make sense with this hypothesis?
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6. September 2006 @ 15:07 |
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Yes, they could have been left behind. I'm not familar with this, I just searched your BSOD errors and read that two ntldr's and ntdetect's could be the problem.
Sorry, but like I said, I don't really have a solution for this besides formatting. You say you can enter Windows by doing some tricks. So, my advice would be to save all your data, format and do a clean install. By the size of this thread I don't think you have many other choices. That's just my opinion on the situation. ;)
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LDee
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7. September 2006 @ 09:45 |
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Thanks for your input noibis, but I'm pretty sure a clean install of windows won't solve this. I have just done a clean install and the situation was the same before during and after.
There are 2 ntldr's on my pc, one in C:\WINDOWS\ServicePackFiles\i386 and the other in C:\WINDOWS\SoftwareDistribution\Download\S-1-5-18\2cf41f1db14bc8f414e16e1555b77108\backup
I guess that's just a backup and this is normal?
Today the screen went black for a while but the computer did not restart, when I restarted it after being unable to get anything back on the screen, it would not start even after doing the usual things. Then I booted to ubuntu, restarted then windows and it worked, I'm in now. Does any of this bear any clue as to what could be happening?
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7. September 2006 @ 15:35 |
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Ok, so you have already formatted? I must have missed that post, sorry. The backup I would think is normal. Even if not, it's a backup and won't run 'cause of the extension. So, it has to be a hardware problem.
I'm out of ideas...this is a odd problem! Sorry, I couldn't be of more assistance.
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LDee
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8. September 2006 @ 13:26 |
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Yes I've already formatted. I thought it's probably a hardware problem too, although I don't have a clue what.
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LDee
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28. September 2006 @ 04:08 |
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Hello
found out the graphics card is buggered, the chipset failed a test at a place I brought it to and didn't let a few pc's boot, so I bought a new one will fit it soon. Still wondering if this is the reason that the new ram I bought (1gb ddr 400mhz) is was showing as default in the BIOS as 133mhz? Anyway I'll see if anything changes when I fit the new card and will post back soon. I guess if it shows as 133 again I'll set it manually to 400.
Cheers!
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LDee
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29. September 2006 @ 06:51 |
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I fitted the new card which is an nvidia 5500 256mb ram. Nothing changed, still restarts when xp should load, can't get into any advanced boot options including safe mode. A BSOD comes up for a second but I couldnt find a setting to change in bios to make it stay for long enough to write down the error. If changing the graphics card didnt help why was the other one broken? Was it just a coincidence or will the problem with the system break this card also?
So far I have done a clean install of windows, changed all possible problematic drivers, changed the ram, changed the power supply and now changed the graphics card. Nothing has helped.
Could it be something to do with a short circuit? Some part of the mboard touching the case or something else it shouldn't? Is the mboard likely to be broken?
Please help.
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The_Fiend
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29. September 2006 @ 08:29 |
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Sounds like a mobo problem to me, judging by all the hardware problems you've had so far.
It might be shorted out somewhere, or maybe it's not properly grounded.
Is there a lot of dust in the case/on the mobo ?
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LDee
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1. October 2006 @ 07:46 |
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Thanks for the reply
there is not a lot of dust inside the case or on the mobo, I've cleaned that all out a while ago, it's very clean now. I don't know how to check if it's not grounded correctly or if there is a short circuit?
I would really appreciate anyones help with this issue!
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ddp
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1. October 2006 @ 08:12 |
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try the motherboard out of the case as that will tell you if grounding problem or not especially if not touching the case at all.
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LDee
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7. October 2006 @ 10:00 |
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Hello
I've now tried the mboard out of the case and the same problem remains. I had the mboard sitting on the anti static bag it came in. The only devices connected at the moment are the video card and hard disk (apart from ram, cpu, mouse and keyboard) and the same sitation remains. By the way I am using the new video card (nvidia gforce fx 5500). The mboard is an asrock p4vt8+.
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LDee
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7. October 2006 @ 14:28 |
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I will try disabling the ati services again (which I guess should still be attempting to start up since the card wasnt uninstalled, rather I just had to remove it because it was broken and hence couldnt boot to windows without a graphics card). I would try doing a repair of windows but I dont think the installation would complete, like last time when I did a clean install. Anyway I've already done a clean install and checkdisk and scanned for errors on the disk, so I dont think its a disk or os problem. I'll report back what I find after trying to disable the services in recovery console.
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The_Fiend
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7. October 2006 @ 15:00 |
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Ok, i missed that you had replied back..
From what i can tell without having a look at the mobo, i'd say it's gone FUBAR.
You can try and mess with the windows install or other hardware, but i doubt that that will change the situatuion.
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LDee
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9. October 2006 @ 08:01 |
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Someone else has suggested I format the disk with the manufacturers diagnostic utility and write zeros. You think this would make much of a difference? Also I'm not too keen to do this since there is a bit of data on it I would like to get off first. Would it be a problem to plug this hd into another pc in order to recovery the data? Considering it is the current system drive? Would I have to do anything to any of the boot.ini's?
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The_Fiend
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9. October 2006 @ 10:24 |
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If you plug the drive into another computer, you can then just get the data off of it, no problem.
Again, i think the problem is your mobo, not the other hardware, but if you want to try doing this, go for it, and i hope it'll work, but again, i doubt it.
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