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Car.Mike
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28. February 2007 @ 16:11 |
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ZCS626,
Just for your info there are 4 programs that will do a D/L DVD properly. They are PgcEdit, Imgburn, CloneCD, DVDDecrypter. The other program like Shrink, Nero, CloneDVD, etc. all have problems w/ the padding and the Layer Flag.
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ZCS626
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28. February 2007 @ 16:12 |
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good to know, ill probably stick to imgburn since it seems to be one of the more popular ones, and people dont seem to complain much about it being a bad program.
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28. February 2007 @ 16:21 |
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And not many will complain about it. It was written by the same guy that gave us DVD Decrypter. Thanks Lightning UK.
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ZCS626
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28. February 2007 @ 16:27 |
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yeah i noticed the layout was almost identical, good work.
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PacMan777
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28. February 2007 @ 17:51 |
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Originally posted by ZCS626:
pacman,
i think you have told me this before, but my computer hard drive got wiped and i never got the chance to do what i think you said.
for burning DL discs, when i open RIPit4Me, i should rip as an ISO file? correct?
then when i open imgburn, i should go to "write" and open the files up, and insert my DL disc, and just click the green arrow.
correct? or did i miss a step?
There's titles with Arcoss and those without Arcoss. Those without, especially pre-Arcoss, can most likely be decrypted in ISO mode with little trouble. Most of the movies with the newer and heavier copy protection require processing for compliance after decryption. That means the files have to be accessible. That leaves out decryption in ISO for those. DVDFab rips in File mode and then creates an ISO, just a bit of trivia, but you're saving no time thinking you're ripping in ISO like DVD Decrypter does. As I may have mentioned before with RipIt4Me, rip in a File mode, process as necessary, then create the ISO and burn if that's desired. I rip full DVD usining the 1-Click mode and let RipIt4Me do all the processing (including FixVTS). ImgBurn in Build mode can create an ISO and burn. If a person has other burner software, such as Nero, which burns in File mode, there's no need to convert. Maybe I was one of the lucky ones, but I used Nero 7 and my DL burns came out okay. ImgBurn has a good rep, and is free. Most everyone agrees it does good DL burns, so that is a safe bet.
To be on the safe side, use RipIt4Me and in Rip Mode use a file selection, and then use 1-Click mode to completely process the files (including FixVTS). Since ImgBurn has gotten a good name around the forums for doing good DL burns (plus it's free), use it to create and burn an ISO in Build mode.
Something to think about: If you rip in ISO and can't use FixVTS or VobBlanker to process when needed, the files won't work. If you process with FixVTS or VobBlanker and the files didn't need it, they're still in good shape and record. Since RipIt4Me can automatically process with FixVTS I use it and don't worry about possibly processing a set of files in FixVTS that didn't need it. If in doubt, it's best to perform the compliance processing than to find out later you should have. That's why I suggest RipIt4Me for newbies and the more experienced. 1-Click with FixVTS works for all and not difficult for the newbie. An experienced user knows more about what's going on and they can customize settings to their needs. If they don't need certain steps in the process, i.e. FixVTS or opening in Shrink for compliance testing, they have the flexibility to skip those steps to save a few minutes.
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28. February 2007 @ 18:27 |
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@PacMan777
The trouble I was having with Nero and DLs was with the layer break; several just froze up. I later learned this is a problem with Nero6.6. I think it was corrected in Nero7. Now I use ImgBurn and never looked back.
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28. February 2007 @ 18:38 |
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Doesn't anyone just rip with DVDdecrypter and burn the MDF with IMGburn if they are going to make dual layer backups? Why take extra steps if you can rip and burn? I've been doing that method for dual layer rips/burns and they work just fine without using RI4M and Shrink.
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28. February 2007 @ 18:39 |
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Using ImgBurn beats buying Nero 7 for just one function, burning DL. My circumstances were a bit different. Nero 7 came out shortly after DL and it appears Ahead paid more attention to getting it right in Nero 7 than correcting updates in Nero 6. I went with Nero 7. Nero Vision was improved and there was enough additions as well as updates that made 7 worthwhile.
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PacMan777
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28. February 2007 @ 18:55 |
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Originally posted by Joshewah:
Doesn't anyone just rip with DVDdecrypter and burn the MDF with IMGburn if they are going to make dual layer backups? Why take extra steps if you can rip and burn? I've been doing that method for dual layer rips/burns and they work just fine without using RI4M and Shrink.
I suspect you mean MDS. If using FAT32 opening the MDS to burn is required because of split image files. With NTFS, many haven't encountered the need to use the older MDS recording convention. I suspect there are also those that forgot because I see this come up occasionally with 98 holdouts (a vanishing breed).
I don't know how many times we have to stand on the roof and shout:
DVD Decrypter is obsolete by itself for the newer copy protections. The PgcEdit Plugin with Decrypter and RipIt4Me gave DVD Decrypter a new lease on life. RipIt4Me is the easiest with the process being automatic. Also, when burning with DVD Decrypter, there is no speed control. Since higher burning speeds increase the possibility of burn errors, many of us like to slow the burn down to 8X or a little below. Speed control for the burn is another plus for ImgBurn. It's not as much an issue with DVD DL as with the R. I still don't like recording DL at 8X though.
All I can say is you're lucky and probably not doing new releases from Disney, Sony, and Lionsgate. DVD Decrypter can't open many of those in ISO or File mode. If you can't open them, you sure can't decrypt and record.
About the only thing I can agree with you on is Shrink isn't needed for recording DL. By all means continue with your method till you encounter one of those titles that won't work. Now you know what to do when you do.
ImgBurn is the updated burning software from DVD Decrypter, by the same author. Using ImgBurn isn't as much an act of using different software to burn as updating the burning software. Plus we're not exactly replacing DVD Decrypter as our ripper when using RipIt4Me. We're adding a Macro system in order to help it get the job done with the newer and heavier copy protections. Don't think of it as replacing, just updating to keep up with the times.
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ZCS626
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28. February 2007 @ 20:29 |
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ah, here is where i have been confused this whole time:
i didnt know imgburn MADE THE ISO files. i thought i had to rip them in ISO mode prior to imgburn.
so long story short you:
1. ripit4me in whatever file mode you want (full dvd/movie+menus/etc)
2. open imgburn in build mode
3. change output to device
4. open file in imgburn
5. click the calculator
6. follow the instructions bla bla bla and its burned
from what i saw from the guide for imgburn is: you dont ever have to change it out of Build mode inside of imgburn. it creates the iso and then burns it all within build mode.
did i get that correct? i just need to try it with a DL i just havent found a movie that i cant get the compression percentages down to lately that i think require using the DL on.
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PacMan777
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28. February 2007 @ 20:42 |
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"By Jove", I believe you have it. ;)
If a person makes a mistake and doesn't select Device as the burn selection, they still get the ISO on the hard drive, which they can go ahead and burn. It's just a longer process. By the way, you're not alone. A lot of people not familiar with ImgBurn aren't aware it creates an ISO from a Video_TS folder.
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1. March 2007 @ 02:27 |
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Did everyone notice in the latest version of RipIt4Me that FixVTS has been incorporated into the RipIt4Me program and no longer has the separate FixVTS exe file? Instead of FixVTS options there are now VOB processing options.
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28 February: Version 1.7.0.0 has been released. The major change is the adaptation of the FixVTS code within RipIt4Me. This should eliminate all those issues about not pointing correctly to FixVTS.exe. See the changelog for full details.
The issues were usually newbies using zip files instead of the installer and not getting the default path to FixVTS set and then didn't know to set the path in preferences. That problem got cleaned up and controls linked to FixVTS no longer exist. The only thing now linked are the VOB processing options (which are part of what FixVTS does). ;)
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1. March 2007 @ 03:02 |
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Great news about upgrade. Now that I have everything sorted. LOL
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1. March 2007 @ 20:42 |
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Originally posted by Joshewah:
Doesn't anyone just rip with DVDdecrypter and burn the MDF with IMGburn if they are going to make dual layer backups? Why take extra steps if you can rip and burn? I've been doing that method for dual layer rips/burns and they work just fine without using RI4M and Shrink.
I suspect you mean MDS. If using FAT32 opening the MDS to burn is required because of split image files. With NTFS, many haven't encountered the need to use the older MDS recording convention. I suspect there are also those that forgot because I see this come up occasionally with 98 holdouts (a vanishing breed).
I don't know how many times we have to stand on the roof and shout:
DVD Decrypter is obsolete by itself for the newer copy protections. The PgcEdit Plugin with Decrypter and RipIt4Me gave DVD Decrypter a new lease on life. RipIt4Me is the easiest with the process being automatic. Also, when burning with DVD Decrypter, there is no speed control. Since higher burning speeds increase the possibility of burn errors, many of us like to slow the burn down to 8X or a little below. Speed control for the burn is another plus for ImgBurn. It's not as much an issue with DVD DL as with the R. I still don't like recording DL at 8X though.
All I can say is you're lucky and probably not doing new releases from Disney, Sony, and Lionsgate. DVD Decrypter can't open many of those in ISO or File mode. If you can't open them, you sure can't decrypt and record.
About the only thing I can agree with you on is Shrink isn't needed for recording DL. By all means continue with your method till you encounter one of those titles that won't work. Now you know what to do when you do.
ImgBurn is the updated burning software from DVD Decrypter, by the same author. Using ImgBurn isn't as much an act of using different software to burn as updating the burning software. Plus we're not exactly replacing DVD Decrypter as our ripper when using RipIt4Me. We're adding a Macro system in order to help it get the job done with the newer and heavier copy protections. Don't think of it as replacing, just updating to keep up with the times.
Yes, I did mean MDS, Thank you.
It wasn't that I've been lucky with DVDdecrypter on it's own, I use AnyDVD in conjunction with DVDdecrypter and haven't had any problems. I should have mentioned that I use AnyDVD.
I've come across 2 movies so far that that I have not been able to bypass with AnyDVD + decrypter/shrink/CloneDVD2 and those movies are The Frighteners, and Ghost World.
Upon several attempts to back up those movies I resorted to RI4M (the all in one version that includes VOBfixer) The movies ripped but were missing the scenes where the CRC errors were comming up.
I've seen you post often about RI4M, pacman, so I'm probably talking to the right person. What am I doing wrong that I'm missing scenes? I read your tutorial in the SAW3 thread (although I wasn't backing up SAW3) and I set my settings accordingly and I would always get an error claiming that the disc was dirty and I needed to re-rip it or it gives the option to bypass and continue burning. The first time the dirty disc error came up I cleaned the disc and re-ripped but it resulted in the same message so the second time it came up I opted to bypass and force the burn which results in a complete movie except for the missing scene which is 5-10 minutes long right where the CRC error occurs.
Any ideas?
Thanks.
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2. March 2007 @ 04:47 |
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Joshewah,
You probably aren't doing anything wrong at all from the sound of it you just have a couple of bad originals. Either dirty, scratched or just a bad press. There is nothing special about either one of those movies and those should be able to be done the old fashioned way with DVD Decrypter and Shrink. Your symptoms all point to a bad original disk you could try cleaning them really good or get your hands on another copy of the original.
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2. March 2007 @ 09:07 |
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bbmayo,
Sounds like something I would have said. LOL
Joshewah
The only thing I'd add is to run a read scan of the disc. Unreadable (bad) sectors would show on the scan. That has nothing to do with encryption, that is simply the condition of the press. If it's a matter of being badly scratched, the options are limited. Try resurfacing or get a replacement DVD. Several programs have a scan utility including Nero. If one isn't at hand, download the free DVDInfoPro, click the icon with the magnifying glass.
Keep the RI4M updated. They've been almost as bad as AnyDVD lately. LOL
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2. March 2007 @ 09:20 |
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Originally posted by bbmayo:
Joshewah,
You probably aren't doing anything wrong at all from the sound of it you just have a couple of bad originals. Either dirty, scratched or just a bad press. There is nothing special about either one of those movies and those should be able to be done the old fashioned way with DVD Decrypter and Shrink. Youe symptoms all point to a bad original disk you caould try cleaning them really good or get your hands on another copy of the original.
Cheers
Nah, I don't think that is it. The Frighteners is the most recent Peter Jackson collector's edition and I know it has some heavy protection. The movie was brand spanking new, and plays fine without skips in my DVD players... Hmm perplexing... I guess it could be a bad factory press maybe at the layer break, but as I said the original plays fine.
Thank you for your input, bbmayo. I appreciate it.
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PacMan777
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2. March 2007 @ 09:40 |
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I've had originals that would play well on the standalone and PC, but when it came to recording, it wouldn't work. CRC error and the disc stopped at the same spot each time with a factory disc in good condition. It's happened with more than one disc. It was a bad press. Do a scan and show us a capture of it so we can give our thoughts on it. ;)
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