|
|
|
Warner still not picking a side in the hi-def format war
|
|
The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 12 September, 2007
Despite reports of lucrative offers to follow Paramount's lead and get behind HD DVD exclusively, Waner Home Video president Ron Sanders says competitive sales of both formats are likely to ensure they release titles in both formats.
In an interview with This Week In Consumer Electronics, Sanders answered questions about the future of HD at Warner, saying "we?re talking to both sides ... [ read the full article ]
Please read the original article before posting your comments.
|
|
hughjars
Suspended permanently
|
18. September 2007 @ 04:50 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
1.you can make dream filled predictions about hd dvd winning and no one else cant even though blu ray has been dominating?
- But that's precisely the point you're missing.
It is not and cannot be "domination" when the market is so immature and the numbers sold are so tiny.
It's inconsequential is what it is.
It's not really got started is the truth (you so obviously desperately want to deny).
The facts are that it's a (actually pretty weak) wholly expected consequence of the PS3 coming along.
But those numbers are minute compared to the whole retail disc market.
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
you are the elite one here right?
- Try making sense & sticking to the facts, eh?
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
steep decline? i thought the sales were so miniscule it doesnt matter at this point? contradiction ftl
- It's not a contradiction to point out the falling level of Blu-ray sales.
It would be if I claimed Blu-ray was 'dead' or 'winning' because of them tho.
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
enough eggs in the basket? blu ray has always been a part of the basket so your point is moot.
- The basket is Blu-ray, the eggs were the PS3.
Do try and keep up.
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
the software attach rate again part of your camp's dirty tactics to make it seem like hd dvd is ahead, overall sales is what matters and hd dvd is losing, deal with it.
- "Dirty tactic"?!
LMAO.
The attachment rate is a fair and long-used statistic.
You don't like them cos they show that as HD DVD player numbers grow HD DVD will catch then pass Blu-ray disc sales numbers.
It's just a matter of time.
No doubt if they showed Blu-ray doing a lot better you'd like them then.
It's a ridiculous point you're trying to make.
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
as a $600 console which had no killer apps for the longest time its actually selling pretty good
- Well so the propagandists love to claim.
The fact is that it's caught in a vicious circle, sales are too low compared to the competition so relatively few games get bought so few game developers want to put money into developing games for it etc etc.
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
$400 is long considered the sweet spot for high end electronics, iphone just moved down to that price ;) and $400 ps3 packed with the biggest movie of the year will get movies sold anf consoles moved whether you like it or not.
- Always 'jam tomorrow' with Blu-ray/PS3.
I prefer to wait and see if it comes to be.
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
and now the system is starting to get games, heavenly sword has been selling out and with GT5 prologue coming, drakes, ratchet future, unreal tournament 3, etc, etc coming it should be fine for the holidays ;) sounds to me like you are scared of the $400 ps3 packed with spiderman 3, i would be too if i was in the hd dvd camp LOL
- The PS3 is still trailing in 3rd place (and recently we saw console sales drop to cap it off).
....and Spiderman 3 was an awful movie. Wow, if that's your idea of a 'killer' move then "lol" indeed.
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
2. tell that to everyone? you mean all 12 people who are doing it? you know damn well as i do the number of people actually connecting to it is not even worth mentioning
- What are you on about?
Of course the on-line stuff has only just got up and running......but all HD DVD players sold since day 1 can use it and the rest of the 'advanced functions', unlike the existing BD competition.
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
the 300 that had more features sold twice as less
- .....and yet the reports are that due to the costs it was nothing like twice as profitable for the studio.
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
owned
- Why are you talking like you're 9yrs old or something?
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
in the future they will provide additional income streams, as far as right now no, and in the future in the coming months blu ray will have those features , so again your point is moot.
- Er, no it isn't.
Blu-ray's 'Profile 1.1' and 'profile 2.0' require hardware as well as software, you can't just upgrade to it by firmware.
We now know from Denon
(who are only making a high-end 'profile 1.1' & 'profile 2.0' player....what would they know, huh?)
that they are having to work "very hard", right now, on getting 'profile 1.0'
(ie everything Bluray that has been sold to date)
discs and players to work properly with Blu-ray 'profile 1.1' and 'profile 2.0' discs and players.
http://www.listenup.com/content/partner_...adge.aug.07.php
So no, it's not moot that Blu-ray is (still) having great difficulties and in trouble getting to it's final spec.
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
vc 1 was developed by microsoft, oh and i thought you were saying most studios on blu ray use vc 1, which is it?
- No. Why not read and stick to what I actually said?
You claimed Viacom/Paramount were encouraged to switch to being HD DVD (for a laughably tiny - to them - $150 million) because "they didnt want them to support it with better codecs".
I replied "Where are you getting this rubbish from?
Warner continue to use VC-1 and even Sony have used it."
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
make up your mind, more contradictions
- No, you're just proving incapable of sticking to the (obvious) point, it's easy to see & pretty obvious why.
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
why is toshiba trying so hard to get a 51gb disc out there?
-Because for a tiny number of movies it will be useful; it's also likely to be very useful to the home PC user in a suitably equipped drive and it's good PR.
And what?
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
the audio is wasteful cus hd dvd doesnt support it, its superior deal with it.
- Uncompressed audio is enormously 'space wasteful' compared to Dolby True HD audio
(which is also totally loss-less and therefore the equal of anything out there, deal with that)
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
it's all over the web, i think you are the only person on the planet denying that money exchanged hands AHAH.
- Oh well, if rumours are "all over the web" then case closed Colombo.
Never-mind that the source of the rumour can be traced and that all the connected parties publicly denied it.
Mind you, the fact that you obviously believe Viacom/Paramount would dump Blu-ray for what is - to them - effectively lose change is very amusing.
(they can spend $150 million in the blink of an eye, make or lose $150 million in a week or two on any movie......not just the big ones these days).
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
in these types of deals there are provisions stating that neither parties can confirm exchanging of money or lenght of the contracts, indefinite doesnt mean forever and in fact that is pretty nice way of saying "for now". the fact that you grasp so hard on that word shows how desperate you are.
- No your invention and disregarding of the facts here is the clear & obvious 'desperation'.
But the fact you prefer to believe that a mere and paltry $150 million would have Viacom/Paramount dump Blu-ray is the funniest part of this.
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
all hd dvd movies were using vc 1 for the most part if not all since the beginning, thats why people stated that early hd dvd movies looked better
- Er, I never said otherwise.
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
the sinlge layer blu ray discs were too small and used mpeg 2 which resulted in bad compression. again you are contradicting yourself, how many times do you need to do that?
- I see back to this laughable ploy now are we?
Try sticking to what was actually said.
You claimed "hd dvd movies are mandated to use vc-1, on blu ray its up to the studios, they have a choice to as if they want to pay MS for vc-1 or still will good ol mpeg2."
I replied "LMAO.
You're wrong actually.
The DVD Forum has 'mandated' VC-1, H.264, and MPEG-2 for the HD DVD format.
The Blu-ray Disc Association has 'mandated' the same three codecs for their blue-laser Blu-ray Disc format.
......and 'good ol'......'The Fifth Element', 'Robocop', 'House of the Flying Daggers'..... MPEG2?
Blu-ray movies so bad the 1st time around that they had to re-do and re-issue them?
No thanks."
My answer is factually correct....so it's pretty obvious why you now want to try and pretend I had said something else.
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
you conceded you lost then?
- What are you referring to?
Cos I found your "worship" comment to be absurd & infantile?
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
we can all see your worship here, every thread that has to do with hd dvd even when it is bad news like new line holding off hd dvd till next year you try your best to spin it. everyone can see here you are probably a viral marketer, to the point that its sad.
- LMAO
I already told you, I'm retired.
I have not and never had had anything to do with any of the companies involved in this......but I do really enjoy pi*sing over the pitch ruining it for the people who are actually here as "viral marketeers".
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
basically you admit the dirty tactics
- It's not "dirty tactics" (like as if it makes much odds to anything anyways).
Stand-alone players get compared to other stand-alone players and game consoles get compared to game consoles.
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
you count them all as blu ray players.
- .....and what exactly is your distress here?
You claim it's a "dirty tactic" not to count them as stand-alone players but now say I'm being contradictory if I do count them as Blu-ray capable players?
Yeah right, of course, to you I'm the one being inconsistent and contradictory. LMAO.
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
and thats 60/40 in america last i checked nielson, in the rest of the world how existent is hd dvd? almost non?
- Both formats are tiny in "the rest of the world" but I can show Amazon graphs from Germany, the UK & Japan all showing the same thing (surprising in the case of Japan I thought).
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
you are the guy spouting hd dvd is winning when in reality it is being pounded and the lead widening
- No, try sticking to what I actually said.
I said that claims of one side "winning" are far too early to make and that on balance I think that with the lowest costs and the greatest content HD DVD will win.
That's not quite the same thing, though if the subtlety escapes you that's your problem.
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
300 is a prime example of that and studios(especially warner) are seeing those figures
- Yeah this is true.
But seeing as you don't know the whole story or those figures the rest is just invention on your part.
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
blu ray production costs have come down tremendously and are basically the same as hd dvd
- Well go ahead, prove it then if you 'know' this.
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
the fact that more studios are paying to license vc 1 on blu ray now than before proves this
- Er, no.
All that proves is that they prefer to use a decent modern codec.
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
i never said they didnt, just not all of them do, that is your misunderstanding.
- No, once again you ought to try sticking to what you actually said (and people wonder why I quote).
You actually originally said "i have said vc-1 is supported on all hd dvd movies but not blu ray."
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
plenty of studios havent
- Well I did ask & I'm still waiting to hear which ones haven't.
You said "its widely known, i dont need waste my time informing you of something everyone else already knows. and not all studios support vc-1"
I replied "OK, feel free.
Which major Blu-ray studio has not issue movies on VC-1?
Even Sony has"
Still no answer then ,huh?
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
thats why people complained that hd dvd quality was better before. mpeg 2 in hd has problems fitting on a single layer blu ray. but now studios are switching."
- You know you could just admit that you meant not all Blu-ray movies have been done in VC-1 (which whilst true would be a rather funny statement of the obvious).
Correct me if I'm wrong but that seems to 'fit' much more with what you might be trying to say.
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
its widely reported and considered fact by everyone but you
- Just because there have been reports (of a rumour) that does not make it a fact.
Facts require proof to back them up, not mere repeated assertion.....which is all you have here, just admit it and move on.
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
why would a studio switch to a format that is behind even when they themselves are selling more on blu ray?
- Maybe cos what they said about costs is true?
Maybe that that fact and the likely sales of low cost HD DVD players has them deciding their best interests lie elsewhere?
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
you are like those japanese guys stuck on islands in world war 2 after 10 years who thought the war was still going on and they hadnt lost. you are in so much denial its sad
- .....and your continual move away from debating the issues and on to personal attacks says everything about how you have so little to be shouting about.
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
says anyone with half a brain, hmm sell twice as much on blu ray and make more money or sell less by going hd dvd exclusive? does it really take a rocket scientist?
- Actually it takes someone involved who can see the costs associated to those sales.
Sadly only someone with the most laughably superfical grasp on this kind of thing would only imagine that the sales numbers themselves are the only factor worth considering.
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
exactly why they are exclusive through only 08
- Well if this is another "fact" then lets see you back it up and prove it with some real and actual evidence
(as opposed to mere reports of yet more rumours & hearsay).
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
the market is too small right now. call me at the end of next year when the deal is over, and if it is over you should leave this site, we can make a bet
- Pathetic. Grow up.
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
indefinite doesnt mean forever and the fact that you try to pretend that it does shows how desperate you are.
- No.
The fact that you'd try & compare 'indefinite' to 'forever' to back up your (fact-free) claim of '18 months' is the indication of desperation.
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
so now when it is to your benefit we cant use ratios right?
- Excuse me?
The total market is the one number that ought to be used above all others as it places so much of the spin & PR into perspective.
Placing the numbers of both formats sold before the total retail disc market is hardly to anyone's 'benefit' whilst both are so tiny.
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
2 to 1 sales is a big deal especially with the biggest multiformat movie of the year so far. denial
- Not when the numbers sold are so small it isn't.
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
17.its PR advertising from companies, whats new? everyone does it even the hd dvd camp.
- The difference there would be that the HD DVD is a finished format and the extra functions work on all HD DVD players sold since day 1.
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
the fact that 300 had way more features on hd dvd proves that consumers at this point could care less about them, they just wanna see the movies on their hd tvs, maybe in 2 years they will care.
- Really? Surveyed all the buyers of the 300 on HD DVD now have we?
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
again since warner's 300 is selling twice as much on blu ray id have to say no.
- ......and I'd continue to point out that unless you actually know anything abut the costs involved in those sales that you are just spouting your (obvious) prejudices.
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
in other words that means for the time being
- I see, so unless they actually say "forever" it probably means until next week - to you - huh?
Jayzuss wept.
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
selfownage.
- Pathetic US kiddies TV-speak?
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
sales are climbing but still chasing blu ray, obviously not climbing fast enough
- That depends on the timescale you prefer to use.
Blu-ray wanted everyone to believe it was all over around a year ago, it's very obvious why right now.
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
do you honestly think blu ray wont answer to cheap hd dvd players?
- The truth is they can't.
The steep fall in HD DVD prices has shocked almost eveyone watching this.
Not only are we getting those low-cost Chinese HD DVD players but instead of the expected (a year ago) $300 they will be selling for half that @ $149.
Instead of taking their 'reference design' as the gen 2 Toshiba HD A2 it turns out it is the gen 3 HD A3.
It took years setting up the licencing deal with China (Toshiba signed with the Chinese in 2005).
Blu-ray have not done this, you cannot just ignore that fact
(and they have specifically said they would not do this as part of the intention behind BD was to recover the kinds of profit margins CE companies & corporations used to 'enjoy' when DVD 1st appeared).
They all source components from China already (open up your PS3 console & see), that is not the same thing as licencing a 'reference design'.
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
at this point they dont have to, hd dvd started earlier and has always been cheaper yet they still got passed up by blu ray and still are being beat by them.
- Only because of the (wholly expected) short-term boost of the PS3.
Without the PS3 Blu-ray died and was buried long long ago.
The truth is that PS3 is Blu-ray.
.....and they aren't selling another 4, 5, or 6 million of them anytime soon, not even if this rumoured $400 sku appears.
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
a cheaper one will sell more a month than hd dvd players will sell in 6 months.
- We'll see.
More 'jam tomorrow'.
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
you can grasp on the specs all you want
- Well that's one way to try and dismiss sticking to the facts.
Originally posted by CaLiMaCk:
you got owned, goodbye, i feel no need to reply to you anymore since you contradict yourself more than anyone i have seen to date on any forums and you are in complete denial.
sweet dreams atsutoshi LMAO
- ....and there we have it, a final resort to the invented personal jibes.
Pathetic.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 18. September 2007 @ 06:19
|
|
CaLiMaCk
Junior Member
|
24. March 2008 @ 19:21 |
Link to this message
|
|
i feel so vindicated right now lol!!!
|
Senior Member
1 product review
|
25. March 2008 @ 12:26 |
Link to this message
|
|
As you should. May we never have to sit throug moronic arguments again.
|
|
