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Update: Xbox 360 with internal HD DVD drive is a possibility
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 28 October, 2007
Recently, we reported that rumors of an Xbox 360 console with a built-in HD DVD drive was making its away around the internet thanks to an article published in Smarthouse.
The rumor was squashed however, when a Toshiba official denied it completely saying "It?s got nothing to do with us. But we know Microsoft doesn?t want to include the HD DVD drive so as not to limit the user?s experience."
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30. October 2007 @ 17:18 |
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Originally posted by djeazyg:
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Originally posted by djeazyg:
I keep hearing that the extra space for games is not needed. Then why did I read in a magazine that Rockstar is having an issue stuffing all of the new Grand Theft Auto on a DVD9 and is requesting that MS allow them to use more hard drive space? I don't have the magazine here or I would just quote it. I read that GTA was delayed because of the PS3 being hard to code for and the 360 doesn't have enough disk space to accommodate the huge game. This is just what I read, I could be wrong about the whole thing.
But if the 360 would start to include a HD DVD drive and use it for games, that means that now you have to buy yet another 360 or you will be left out on any new game that would be released in the HD DVD format. When are people going to get sick of this shit and stop giving MS all their money.
The internal HD-DVD drive wouldn't be used for games... You can quote me on that. There will NEVER be a game on 360 that uses the HD-DVD format. EVER. MS would have to compensate the millions out there that bought 360s without the HD-DVD gaming capability and they are not about to plunk down that kind of cash, especially after spending millions upon millions on broken consoles and 3 year warranties. People really need to think before they post...
Why did you have to be an ass about it. I do think before I post. You don't "KNOW" anything. (notice the quotes) What makes you the expert? MS has done dumber things in the past.
You're right I was being an ass, I apologize. You are also right that I don't "KNOW" everything, as that ability would require magic or time travel. I just can't fathom how anyone could believe that MS would require their consumers to buy a whole new 360 for future 360 games. Sorry if I offended you.
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kishan73
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30. October 2007 @ 17:56 |
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Just so you guys know. HD DVD makes a 50 gb disc now which is comparable to Blu-Ray's 50 gb disc. The blu-ray disc's that the PS3 uses DO NOT HAVE 50 gb of space on 'em. If it did, the games would cost $100. I'm not a BIG MICROSOFT guy but I believe they're pretty smart in making $. They're waiting to see which format wins before they implement it into their machine. Maybe if they'd actually put in an HD DVD drive in the xbox360 years ago it would've won over on the movie industry but since it didn't, Sony was able to strong arm 'em into investing in blu-ray. Also, I hate that Microsoft charges $100 for a wireless internet adapter but I'm glad they didn't make it internal 'cause there are NEW WIRELESS TECHNOLOGIES being introduced in the tech world which would make upgrading alot easier and faster than on the PS3. Can you imagine? The new tech will seem so fast and playing games over the internet with the PS3 will be like using dial-up. (haha!) I also hate that each group (sony & microsoft) made multiple consoles. Two would have sufficed. One with standard 20 gb hard drive and the other with a replaceable hard drive of your choice.
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31. October 2007 @ 05:34 |
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Originally posted by bigdawg10:
I think you should know most of you are pretty scary when reading these things. Even IF MS had a thought about adding an internal drive, it would ONLY be for movies. You cannot change the format for games and screw the 10 million plus users out there already. It would just be a convenience for people who do want to watch HD DVD but not have an external player.
Do I think MS took the easy way out and stuck with DVD9? Of course they did. Just because most games can fit onto a DVD9 doesn't mean that all have to. MS wanted more RPG games, but they went and limited the developers to using less space! Those are the games that need that room for all the talking and cinemas needed in the games.
ALL MS is doing is holding on by barely helping out HD DVD and waiting to see which format takes the lead for there next console. At their rate, we should be seeing a new one in 2 years anyway, right? XBox in 01, 360 in 05, 720 in 09?
they can to get a few more eyars out of the console and they can do it on on the cheap with their buying power, look at it like this the external units would cost 50-80$ basically the price of a new game give or take 20, the new units would be sold at no extra cost to the consumer and older units being RMA'd could be swapped out with a HDVD enabled unit, this could add as much as 4 extra years tot eh 360s life span its very doable and not as bad as one might think it is.
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4. November 2007 @ 17:31 |
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All this is is a marketing ploy to get everyone hyped up over the new drives.
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4. November 2007 @ 20:30 |
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Originally posted by borhan9:
All this is is a marketing ploy to get everyone hyped up over the new drives.
No worse than sony going BR for the PS3 but gettign past the hype will they have the balls to switch to HDVD gaming in the coming years, I do not really want to see a new console come out for at least 5 or 6 more years and I want a polished well built one at that the 360 never had much focus the PS3 lost theirs and the WII well... they only have enough attention span to make a profit but not make the console more customizable.
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5. November 2007 @ 01:26 |
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I don't want to think about new systems either. The current line should last well into 2010. Knowing MS though, they'll have a new system ready in 2009 for a 2010 launch.
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31. December 2007 @ 19:33 |
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Originally posted by djeazyg:
I keep hearing that the extra space for games is not needed. Then why did I read in a magazine that Rockstar is having an issue stuffing all of the new Grand Theft Auto on a DVD9 and is requesting that MS allow them to use more hard drive space? I don't have the magazine here or I would just quote it. I read that GTA was delayed because of the PS3 being hard to code for and the 360 doesn't have enough disk space to accommodate the huge game. This is just what I read, I could be wrong about the whole thing.
But if the 360 would start to include a HD DVD drive and use it for games, that means that now you have to buy yet another 360 or you will be left out on any new game that would be released in the HD DVD format. When are people going to get sick of this shit and stop giving MS all their money.
The internal HD-DVD drive wouldn't be used for games... You can quote me on that. There will NEVER be a game on 360 that uses the HD-DVD format. EVER. MS would have to compensate the millions out there that bought 360s without the HD-DVD gaming capability and they are not about to plunk down that kind of cash, especially after spending millions upon millions on broken consoles and 3 year warranties. People really need to think before they post...
They also said they would need a bigger hard drive and now 2 years later they do, and in 2 years they will need Hdvd gaming as a last shot in the arm to keep the 360 relevant as they work on the 360s replacement.
A 20gb HDD and 120gb HDD are compatible with one another though. Thats like arguing if the 360 had 4.7gb games and then switched to dual layer 8.5gb DVDs... All thats changing is the capacity of an optical format thats already supported. HD-DVD isn't supported... What you are arguing makes no sense at all especially since having a 20gb HDD still allows you to play ALL of games that the 120gb HDD allows you to play. No one is being singled out with the HDD situation, so what exactly is your point?
You don't seem to udnerstand what I am saying it will be rough but doable in the next 2-3 years to used DVD9's for games but after that they have 2 choices move the platform to HDVD which can be done on the cheap to boot in 2+ years the standalone can be sold for 50$ and the Hdvd enabled units be no different in cost than they are now.
As for the HDD the 360 is showing its age more games need to drop the no HDD support thing and get to hammering out the best they can for the HDD enabled 360s, caches is key because it can add 50% more data to a single disc this is imporant because MP online games can not be on more than 1 disc, or are you ignoring the slow march to higher capastity games?.
Ignoring it? No I'm not ignoring it. I'm simply stating that it isn't needed in this generation of game console since most games don't exceed 8.5gb, only a hand full of blockbuster hits from major developers do/would. The games that do exceed 8.5gb have the HDD to flow over on even if its a 20gb HDD. It would be nice, yes, but they aren't going to take another multi million dollar hit over this. Ms would have to drop the price of their HD-DVD add-on (as you said) and develop a work around to enable it for gaming. They've stated that it could never be used for games, only movies, and undoubtedly that could be a lie, but no evidence has come forth to prove that statement otherwise. They can keep creating larger and larger HDDs for people or allow folks to drop their own in, but you won't see games the require 360 owners to purchase an HD-DVD add-on.
You can make the argument about the core and how certain games require the HDD but the choice to purchase the HDD with a console has been available since the beginning with the pro and core models. People knew full and well in 2005 that they might need a HDD. If MS requires over 11 million people to purchase a hardware add-on 3 to 4 years after a systems launch to play a game they will be committing suicide. They would need to include the HD-DVD add-on with said game much like FFXI and the PS2 HDD and the price would need to be dropped significantly.
If an Internal HD DVD drive is added, then people without Internal HD DVD will probably be able to go out and buy an external HD DVD Drive in order to use the new content, MS will probably provide a softwware update and possibly change the USB port on the 360 to a faster firewire port to accompany a larger, faster game-data stream. Just a suggestion.
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31. December 2007 @ 20:37 |
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spartan96
really the only trouble with moving the platform to HDVD is the slow software sales as the enabled units saturate the market, but looking at the PS3 it would seem a better stop gap measure then moving to a whole not platform, by giving the 360 HDVD you remove most if not all of the limits on its gaming side.
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Sazaziel
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1. January 2008 @ 10:10 |
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It's probably best if it doesnt get an internal HD DVD drive. For one there are already too many variations of the 360 to choose from. Each are at different prices. A majority of the public already owns a 360 so why waste money on another that touts an internal HD DVD drive. Sony's PS crap 3 is already using the 360s sales strategy due to the fact of its costly Neo Geo priced like release (in which personally I think I would waste my money on the Neo Geo instead). MS needs not to stroll down the road of Sony. Nothing lies there except big profit losses. If anything statistics do show that a huge amount of parents purchase game consoles for their children to play video games not movies.
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