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The future of Blu-ray and HD DVD still not decided
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article published on 5 January, 2008
With the increase in available Blu-ray and HD DVD titles both formats are seeing increased visibility in stores. Blu-ray with more releases and higher Title sales than HD DVD, is also gaining more shelf space, but both have seen significant increases over the last year.
?It?s really a function of more titles being available,? said Best Buy spokesman Brian Lucas. ?We are still supporting ... [ read the full article ]
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6. January 2008 @ 03:50 |
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Originally posted by Sazaziel:
Here's my 2 cents and I have nothing more to say about the bullshit format wars. Blu Ray nor HD DVD will ever compare to the sales of the original DVD sales. Even though movies are being created in the new formats they are still being created and sold on regular DVD at a cheaper price as well. Yet no one seems to be throwing up numbers to those sales. All of the combined studios using the new formats are still producing movies on the original DVD. This would go to show you that in my opinion a lot of people arguing about this so called war are idiots. The reason I have stated this is because no matter what...it is the same damn movie on a smaller storage disc. In my opinion neither of the newer formats look better than the other. Its probably better if both formats stick around and a dual formatted player be created. All 3 formats are indeed profitable. If I were a blind man sitting in front of an HDTV listening to an HD DVD or Blu Ray porno that I cant watch then wtf should I do. So to conclude this statement which format would you choose if all of you were blind? But...thats my 2 cents!
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you seem to fail to udnerstand how DVD was born it was a long slow process to replace VHS and it did so after 10ish years, all 1 format has to do is to remain in the game and lower its prices its that simple.
HDVD/BR are only viable as long as they are seen profitable by the media industry thus meaning one will rise one will fall as the mainstream format, until then they will fight tooth and nail to gain and keep as much ground as they can meaning the format war will take awhile.
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Sazaziel
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6. January 2008 @ 04:18 |
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I realize it the whole ordeal. With so many other formats coming forward its like trying to be the popular guy or girl in high school. Eventually when you get older you really don't care anymore. When radio broadcast were around there was no television. When television came into play and finally affordable it did not mean it was the end for radio. Eventually they began to work together for the same cause...media and entertainment. Its not I who doesn't get the point...its all of you fan boys out here band wagoning bullshit. Regardless of the new format the outcome will still be the same. You are still watching a movie. The same thing you go to theaters for or anything else etc. If I wanted to have it where I wanted to charge a service to view movies that are in theaters...online and they are quality. When all the fan boys jump aboard does that mean that I will start the trend for theaters to lose business. I would hope not. Id rather have somewhere to go on a date instead of watching the shit at home all the time. The birth of DVD had its reasons. Mainly for issues involving a disc vs. a bulky assed vhs tape. But everyone arguing back and for like they live and die for this shit... well get a life. If somebody wins then more power to them. If they both stick around then great.
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6. January 2008 @ 04:27 |
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Originally posted by Sazaziel:
I realize it the whole ordeal. With so many other formats coming forward its like trying to be the popular guy or girl in high school. Eventually when you get older you really don't care anymore. When radio broadcast were around there was no television. When television came into play and finally affordable it did not mean it was the end for radio. Eventually they began to work together for the same cause...media and entertainment. Its not I who doesn't get the point...its all of you fan boys out here band wagoning bullshit. Regardless of the new format the outcome will still be the same. You are still watching a movie. The same thing you go to theaters for or anything else etc. If I wanted to have it where I wanted to charge a service to view movies that are in theaters...online and they are quality. When all the fan boys jump aboard does that mean that I will start the trend for theaters to lose business. I would hope not. Id rather have somewhere to go on a date instead of watching the shit at home all the time. The birth of DVD had its reasons. Mainly for issues involving a disc vs. a bulky assed vhs tape. But everyone arguing back and for like they live and die for this shit... well get a life. If somebody wins then more power to them. If they both stick around then great.
So you are saying they should not bother with making new formats because its not form over function?.......
I mean why bother posting because you could care less right?
I mean really...you are bitching about people making comments in a comment/opinion FORUM.....
And while you are at it define "fanboy" if you mean by crazy tech nerds then yes we are :P
If you mean by format zombies...not so much..... sure theres a few of them but I tend to ignore their vitriol and go with the general truth of things.
I also like flexing my mental musecls(as weak as they are) on figuring out how the format war will move and end, its a interesting process.
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6. January 2008 @ 04:49 |
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Actually I'm not bitching at all. More so else is bitching and I'm saying let it ride out but I know thats not gonna happen. Second it is a forum of commenting opinions. In which I am doing just as everyone else is in here as well as including my 2 cents. Third the term fanboy has nothing to do with your phrase "crazy tech nerds" because I along with others have been just that since grade school. Fanboys obsess about things they favor regardless of fact. I don't need to obsess about anything. If anything I'm with vurbal on this one. And as soon as someone comes in here supporting their camp we all have a big free for all taking shots at each other which is ridiculous at best. You're right I don't care..so why post. Well I post based on what I view as simple facts...the key word being "simple"! I'm sure that a couple years later we will have this pointless argument again over the next format but in the end who cares. All of our same hard earned money will be wasted away for things dealing within the realm of entertainment anyways.
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6. January 2008 @ 04:54 |
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Originally posted by Sazaziel:
Actually I'm not bitching at all. It more so I'm everyone else is bitching and I'm saying let it ride out. Second it is a forum of commenting opinions. In which I am doing just as everyone else is as well as including my 2 cents. Third the term fanboy has nothing to do with your phrase "crazy tech nerds" because I along with others have been just that since grade school. Fanboys obsess about things they favor regardless of fact. I don't need to obsess about anything. If anything I'm with vurbal on this one. And as soon as someone come in here supporting their camp we all have a big free for all taking shots at each other which is ridiculous at best. You're right I don't care..so why post. Well I post based on what I view as simple facts...the key word being "simple"! I'm sure that a couple years later we will have this pointless argument again over the next format but in the end who cares. All of our same hard earned money will be wasted away for things dealing within the realm of entertainment anyways.
Mmmm I thought fanboys whine about minuscule and non exsistant details while crazy tech nerds trash talk to each other about the ins and outs of tech :P
Oh well whatever wins win lets just hope its cheap in protection and price :P
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6. January 2008 @ 06:47 |
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surely lg super blu players are gonna cancel out the need for either a blu ray player or hd dvd? regardless which format is best, customers will just buy the hd or blu ray dvds of the films they like as it is irrelevant which format they are in.
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6. January 2008 @ 07:21 |
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Originally posted by vurbal:
No doubt there will be increased sales if one format or the other disappears, but I can't imagine any format will ever see the kind of success DVD had. DVD wasn't a fluke, but its success was fueled by unique circumstances that aren't likely to be repeated again, and certainly aren't in place now.
I agree with error5 on this. I tend to be more optimistic about the future of HD media. DVD has been an unqualified success but evolution is the natural order of things including technology. Apparently your webmaster dRD also shares our view:
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/12335.cfm
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6. January 2008 @ 12:52 |
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red2tango & 26r0cK just got temp bans. anybody else want 1 because if not then knock off the flames or i'll flame you off this site. your choice!!!
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6. January 2008 @ 13:48 |
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Originally posted by ddp:
anybody else want 1
Er...huh?
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6. January 2008 @ 13:53 |
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testing new sig
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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6. January 2008 @ 13:54 |
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temp ban.
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6. January 2008 @ 17:11 |
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They are not what people like Warner said they were interested in.
Warner said they were interested in seeing how the numbers looked for Q4 of 2007.
It's HD DVD that has come out of Q4 of 2007 showing that it's attachment rates do matter and that despite Blu-ray's 10:1+ lead in players they cannot even hold their old 2:1 advantage in sales.
A 10:1+ advantage in player numbers holding a 1.56:1 lead is pathetic.
Blu-ray have simply bought every week with BOGOs (20 Blu-ray BOGOs to 2 HD DVD BOGOs this year) - adding even further significant costs to the already more expensive format.
Yes indeed, CES 2008 is going to be very illuminating
(and some people are in for a shock, count on it).
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7. January 2008 @ 05:07 |
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this format war is not even close to being over. It's going to take awhile to replace dvd or it's not going to happened at all. You have realize vhs to dvd was Huge change, But it's not for a fact that DVD will be replaced by blu-ray or hd-dvd. It can be replaced by new thing suck as internet TV. I know for a fact that i'm not buying hd-dvd or blu-ray till it has more than half of dvd sales. right now torrents works fine by me
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7. January 2008 @ 10:09 |
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FROM THIS POINT FORWARD ANY AND ALL NEGATIVE OR DISPARAGING REMARKS AIMED AT AN INDIVIDUAL OR INDIVIDUALS WILL RESULT IN A BAN.
I have no patience and less than zero tolerance for idiotic crap like that so make sure your post is squeaky clean before you click the post button!
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7. January 2008 @ 20:06 |
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Rambling mans rampent post warning
WOW somebody woke up the beast. hey Nephilim its okay. some people are just two fry's short of a happymeal.
but yeah there have been flames after flames with the whole mentune of the new format wars. but thats sometimes to be expected
oh uh guys if you gonna flame do it in a more self mannered way directed flaming is the number one reason people pass by forum.
why would i sign up and post a comment to have some guy flame me.
when you think of it this way its no wonder moderaters despise such behavour.
so keep it clean and fun.
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8. January 2008 @ 15:25 |
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I don't get the point of this discussion of "who will win the format war." I decided back when the PS3 came out to get that console and then the cheapest Toshiba 1080p player (the A20)so I'd have both bases covered - I figured both formats would be around for at least 3 years. If not my fallback plan is as follow:
If the HD-DVD standard dies, then I'll go buy all those obsolete HD-DVD titles for pennies on a dollar that being dumped. I'll continue to use the HD-DVD player as an excellent upconverter to 1080p for standard def discs.
If the Blu-ray standard dies, then I've still got a PS3 game console, even though I'm not a gamer. Better yet, the PS3 is one of those original ones with 4 USB ports, media card readers, and the Emotion Engine for backward game compatibility, which probably has a good resale value if I wanted to unload it. I'll probably just keep it as a game machine for when my grandson visits, load Linux as an alternate OS, continue to use it for for slideshows of all my pictures, etc. It's a multipurpose machine, not just a blu-ray player.
So I don't really care about the future of Blu-ray and HD-DVD...
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8. January 2008 @ 17:19 |
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Eventually companies will have to make choices and go with a format. The way things are panning out i think that blu-ray may go ahead however i dont know if they are going to win because if HD DVD is microsoft backed then it may be very close call still.
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8. January 2008 @ 17:26 |
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Originally posted by Grampaw:
I don't get the point of this discussion of "who will win the format war." I decided back when the PS3 came out to get that console and then the cheapest Toshiba 1080p player (the A20)so I'd have both bases covered - I figured both formats would be around for at least 3 years. If not my fallback plan is as follow:
If the HD-DVD standard dies, then I'll go buy all those obsolete HD-DVD titles for pennies on a dollar that being dumped. I'll continue to use the HD-DVD player as an excellent upconverter to 1080p for standard def discs.
If the Blu-ray standard dies, then I've still got a PS3 game console, even though I'm not a gamer. Better yet, the PS3 is one of those original ones with 4 USB ports, media card readers, and the Emotion Engine for backward game compatibility, which probably has a good resale value if I wanted to unload it. I'll probably just keep it as a game machine for when my grandson visits, load Linux as an alternate OS, continue to use it for for slideshows of all my pictures, etc. It's a multipurpose machine, not just a blu-ray player.
So I don't really care about the future of Blu-ray and HD-DVD...
think of it as kids thinking they know better about a subject and battle it out with childish immaturely...altho in geekdom its more "I can speculate better than you" or "Zomg I fanboy smash"...I gues its still childish hot hotheadedness, I do like guessing and sharing my opinions over it.
But I wont claim I am more...mature ^_~
In the end bitchign whining and speculating here keeps us younguns off drugs :P...well...in some fanboy cases...maybe not.... LOL
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12. January 2008 @ 08:51 |
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The people should support HD DVD just for the fact that the Blu Ray specification REQUIRES DRM
If you like DRM go Blu Ray
Personally I do not like DRM, and I will not purchase anything that resricts where and when I can use it
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12. January 2008 @ 09:52 |
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I'd rather have DRM then no movies at all.
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12. January 2008 @ 10:47 |
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Vinny don't you have cable??
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Sazaziel
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12. January 2008 @ 11:01 |
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Originally posted by vinny13:
I'd rather have DRM then no movies at all.
't my
Thats like saying "I'd rather be a slave then to be free".I cant support a company who had people unknowingly install their rootkits to computers as a measure of copyright protection, Gives the RIAA and MPAA fully backed support in what they are doing to people who legally purchase their products on the market with false accusations, Failed at MD format and UMD format and doesnt want you to have any chance at backing up your legally purchased products at all. This list can go on. Maybe I'm a supporter of freedom or a world that has some kind of freedom. I go to theaters and all but purchasing blu ray even if it were all in favor of blu ray isn't my type of thing. I don't spend much time watching TV and purchasing movies are in no way a necessity for me.
RNR1995....I do agree with you though. So I compared all of this nonsense to the 2008 presidential election. If the wrong format if any is chosen we're all going to suffer from the consequences.
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12. January 2008 @ 11:29 |
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Ya I got DN and BEV...
Is it really that big of a deal? This crap always gets cracked and then a couple years down the road it was like it was never there. And I'm pretty sure sooner or later they'll come out with a firmware that allows you to watch BD+R or whatever because that's just retarded lol
Or I bet when the PS3 finally gets hacked like the PSP they'll find a way, and then everyone will buy PS3s :P
BR writers are slow and overpriced so they're not worth getting at the moment, and the discs are like $12 a pop, so they aren't worth it either. So where does this DRM issue come in if nobody has this stuff to complain about?
I have a PS3, and I haven't boughten any movies for it becaus it's too expensive. I have 1, but I got it for Christmas... I don't go to the movies because it's like $10 a ticket and like $14 for popcorn so screw that. I'd rather own it for that price. I just rent a movie and copy it or find it on good ol' Bit Torrent and burn it on a DVD.
I couldn't care less really about the RIAA and MPAA because I'm Canadian, so I only have the little guys to worry about. They can't enforce their garbage over here :P
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12. January 2008 @ 11:46 |
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It has already been cracked http://www.slysoft.com
That's not the point
Consumers have the power to choose
Which is why I will never buy, or support $ony products since the root kit fiasco,
and why I would not waste my money on DRM crap like iTunes and Vista
The way to change is through your wallet
If the consumer quits bending over and taking it, the corporations will have to stop trying to put it there......
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12. January 2008 @ 11:51 |
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Well the average consumer doesn't know what DRM is, and nobody is going to inform them about it because that only makes things worse for them. Most of them think Sony a good brand anyways with their LCDs and all(even though they're a little pricy). I've never had any problems with them, but everybody has their own opinions.
And what's this root kit stuff?
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