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U2's manager: time to end ISPs' free ride
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article published on 30 January, 2008
U2 manager Paul McGuinness recently made a big impression at the MIDEM music industry convention in Cannes by calling out everyone from ISPs to customers. Sounding much like he was reading talking points for international recording industry trade organization IFPI, he said ISPs "have for too long had a free ride on music."
Despite chiding the industry for not "catering to people who want ... [ read the full article ]
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1. February 2008 @ 13:24 |
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Originally posted by hm577:
U2 are boneheads and BONO is a bonehead with his showing up like Brad Pitt in other countries pretending like he truly cares about what's going on outside his little "celebrity world". Celebs have are the worst people and really the dumbest too. No brains, no cause to their 'proactivism' and no merit to their complaining. They're shallow and so are those like their managers.
What was said above makes no sense. The "big speakers rather than earbuds" comment is ridiculous. I can blurt out remarks for no reason too.....................GOPHER HOLE! WHITEBREAD, POTHOLE!!
As for that punch-in-the-face-worthy comment "Broadband because of illegal music d/l'ing." Now I really wanna beat that guy down. Yeah..........right..............if music wasn't downloadable and didn't exist then I would rather go back to dialup to have a single webpage take 2 mins. to load. I don't want to watch interactive video either. I don't want to shop online quickly or download my porn quickly either.
Just for him saying that.............I'm gonna download ALL U2 albums and burn some discs and distribute all over my office and upload the Hell out of their music. Paybacks are a bi*tch McGuinness.......you Irish frakking fruit cake!!
YEA!!!! What he said.
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glasssd
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1. February 2008 @ 22:20 |
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Good post atomicxl, nice to see someone honest and decent. Sometimes I work hard for my money, sometimes I dont. I still expect to get paid. If you dont like an artist work, dont buy it. If its not good enough to by, its not good enough to down load. I would say that those of you that dont agree with this, come work for me. I would not pay you for your time, but you would steal me blind.
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varnull
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1. February 2008 @ 22:32 |
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Fine... where is your factory?? I can start with 100 of my mates at 8am tomorrow.
Interesting point raised about the responsibility of the ISP's as accomplice to a crime..
So lets say I rob a bank and escape by driving a Ford car on a public highway. The police give chase but because I am driving in an incredibly dangerous manner they back off and let me get away..
So do you take action against Ford for making the car.. the state authorities for providing the road and the police for putting public safety before money??
Now on to sharing music...
When I was at school we had a system.. every week we sat with the music paper and looked through the new releases. Everybody as part of our little club chose one record to buy.. then we gathered on Friday in the music room (music club was cool.. our music teacher liked a pub lunch on a Friday and went to sleep by 2pm) and taped them all onto one tape.. this we copied on various machines for everybody who was a member of our club and had bought 1 record..
That was 30 years ago.. the technology may have changed, but the sharing instinct is still strong.
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glasssd
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1. February 2008 @ 23:14 |
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Arkansas, would you be willing to work for what ever We think you are worth. Mabe I would only like the work that One of you 100 friends did and only pay him. As you put it, you all can share his money. Its the same thing.
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david89
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1. February 2008 @ 23:44 |
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i think hes full of crap i believe they can block us from downloading still have poor sales they can't own up that alot music today sucks not as good used be. far movies go there still making millions bucks crying for no reason and if isps cap us with low bandwith usage guess what we can stop paying them i know i will go back to dialup if they do it. the ISPs allso have responsible to consumers got news for him two way street seem like as a consumer we allway get carpped on and they use this type of stuff to lobby in new laws that are not fair to us.
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1. February 2008 @ 23:48 |
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Originally posted by atomicxl:
Its funny and sad to see people calling this man greedy because he thinks musicians should be payed for their hard work. These people are not greedy. CDs sell @ best buy for $9.99. I just bought 4 CDs on amazon and the most expensive one was $10.99 and it was $2 more than everything else. You can download a song for 99 cents.
Come on, who's really being greedy here? How do you define greed? The guy who works hard and wants to be paid for his work is greedy, but the guy who can get music for chump change yet steals it is honorable and giving? Are you serious? If your boss told you you weren't getting a paycheck anymore, would you be greedy for quitting or demanding your check? Pointing the finger and saying that you should be allowed to enjoy their work, but never have to compensate them is ridiculous. People who call them greedy can't honestly feel that way. I think its just alot call them greedy than admit that you're a thief, or it makes you feel justified.
If $1 for a song download and 7-8 for a CD download isn't a fair price, what is? You want a song for a quarter? Do you really value music that little? It wild that people spend close to $300 for a MP3 yet they think music has no value.
And about privacy, this isn't privacy. If an ISP said they would block illegal activity on their system, I bet their customer base would drop. There is a connection between them enabling illegal activity and them generating income. Basically they PROFIT off of it so they do nothing to stop it. LOL, they actually cover the tracks. In ANY OTHER SITUATION, that makes you an accomplice. For any crime you can imagine, if you help someone or enable them do to it and then you actually cover their tracks, you are an accomplice.
For 1. Not all music is available for comercial download. I have a hard time finding anything i would want in the 1 a track sites. I even had to cancel my eMusic membership after 2 months. 150 tracks and i could find nothing else, and i had to stretch to get my last months worth.
For 2. even 9.99 for a CD is too much. The tech is ancient. I have to upmix and recode all my cd's just to make them playable. Alot what i download are DTS and super CDA's, mostly because they are hard to find comercialy. As i have said before, produce something i want to hear and i will gladly pay for it. Downloading illegaly one track by Therion < O Fortuna > by accedent has lead me to purchase very album they have made, and i watch for new releases and buy them opening week. Other bands have gotten me the same way. None of them are on the Main Stream download services. I found them all via P2P.
I realy would not be suprised to find out that the Quality of the Master files used to make CD's has been reduced to save cost. I know th Quality of the CD they are charging you 10-20 bucks for has. take a majority of your new cd's and hold em up to the light. That is a metal plate folks and you can SEE through it. and that is on the top of the disk, nothing between that plate and the outside world. they have been ripping us off for years, they just dont like it when we start getting our own back >(
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MuffinsQ
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3. February 2008 @ 00:08 |
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hey, maybe nobody buys your goddamn music because you suck.
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Mez
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3. February 2008 @ 09:59 |
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This greedy jackass figures only he has the right to be greedy. The ISPs ought to give up their profits to bolster his.
I just put U2 on my personel 'black list'.
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Amir89
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3. February 2008 @ 11:02 |
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I hope McGuiness realizes that over 70% of data downloaded from the Internet is still pornography.
ISP's are not para-legals, their job is not to enforce Nazi-like surveillance on consumer traffic but to simply provide a service. You want to track down hackers/downloaders?
Fine, go start your own Cyber Justice League, don't b*tch to other people to do your job for you.
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frankacne
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3. February 2008 @ 14:32 |
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If the idiot thinks that people only want Broadband for listening to U2 and other hasbeens then not only does he not live in the real world but also hasnt tried downloading or uploading anything large via AOL in recent months. I pay for 4 meg and all i am getting is around half a meg, plus disconnects every twenty minutes and all my email addresses lost. You can see the brown round his mouth if you look closely, he must have been licking something.
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RNR1995
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3. February 2008 @ 16:35 |
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F U2! F Bono! go back to your own country with your B.S!
Don't they kill each other in Ireland because some are Catholics and some are protestants? Hypocrite FU2
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Mez
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4. February 2008 @ 07:29 |
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Amir89, I think the bulk of the intenet traffic is Torrents of videos. Maybe most of them are porn. The artical did not stipulate what was in the videos.
Many web pages have almost as much data as a 3 minute tune @ 128 BR. If you don't have broadband these days you can't surf the web.
atomicxl, I have bought my fair share of music and still do. I balked at buying a Paul Simon CD because it was $22 and only had one new tune on it. I have often bought the same tune more than once over the ages. I resent when those GREADY BASTARDS claim when I audio capture my vinyl recording steeling. ESPECIALLY when I have bought more than one copy because the first record got ruined. Back then LPs went for $3. Now that same recording will cost 10-20 bucks. That is greedy.
The TV industry fought to get to charge when a show was aired on the internet claiming it was for the artists. Then when the arists wanted a piece of the action they were told the sales model was too complex so they should get a dime. How is that not beiing pig greedy.
I call those greddy bastards greedy because that is EXACTLY what they are. Standard retail mark up is 100%. Then there is CD production and distribution. I doubt if the music industry sees $5 of the $20 CD. Yet they want a $1 a song. They want to make a killing out of the cheaper media instead of passing on some of their savings to the customer. They cry foul when the customers do not buy into the scheam. That is what I call greedy.
Independent music is sold at 4 per dollar. That is a more fair price. The industry still realizes about the same cash per tunes as the CD sales. They pass the saving to the customer. That is not greedy. eMusic is doing very well by 'giving the music away' at 4/dollar. These are high quality unprotected music.
atomicxl how can you defend such slime or are you just paid to defend them?
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davidrose
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8. February 2008 @ 01:16 |
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Sorry play PUB's and work harder whatever BOO HOO same ole same ole 2008 new era music sucks and it's mostly REHASh just like movies and videogames overpriced and not much content so oh well
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22. February 2008 @ 15:26 |
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Basically he took the opportunity to make his feelings on the matter known and the fact is that atm we are at a place that neither side can do anything about this we will just have to wait and see what time will tell.
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Slipvox
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1. March 2008 @ 18:56 |
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Truth be told, as long as you're not reproducing it and selling it, it's not stealin. Period. It's the idiots here in the streets of Chicago who download music and movies and make HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS selling it out right/ Tottally uncool
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