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article published on 24 February, 2008
Pakistani officials have announced that the government has blocked all access to the popular video-sharing site YouTube because there have been a few anti-Islamic videos posted on the site.
The Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) notified all 70 Pakistani ISPs that access to the site is to be blocked indefinitely.
The PTA revealed that the ban was mainly due to a "trailer ... [ read the full article ]
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Wolf873
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29. February 2008 @ 22:59 |
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It's shame that people buy what media says, which is usually greatly exaggerated. I ask anyone, who approves of what media says, to please do a little research on your own and find out the truth for yourselves. Islam is by no means violent and unfair toward women. It's a peaceful religion and if you look into it, you'll know women are treated equally to man in different ways. Every religion has extremists who are bent on bending the rules to suit their own fantasies. They believe that by going to such extremities, they'll be in Lord's good graces, that they are carrying out Lord's will. If that's how it's supposed to be, then I guess Bush government is too a terrorist. Isn't what he's doing to Iraq just a selfish act to get oil resources? Wasn't U.S. the one who armed Iraq with weapons? Didn't all the fuss about Weapons of Mass Destruction turned out be folly? And they said their "intelligence" gathered that info.
This guy Wilders, is nothing but a ignorant fool. I feel compel to use much filthier word for him, but will not. He is only giving one side of the story, and that is hardly the right way to have credibility. I only fear what effect the movie will have on the world.
I am not trying to be preachy, but asking everyone to please look before you act or say. Let's all try to get along, putting aside the differences.
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Sebright
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1. March 2008 @ 02:27 |
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Do you think anyone who disagrees with your view is speaking from ignorance?
Islam is a patriarchal religion that has changed very little through the centuries. So of course women are still regarded as inferiors.
And any culture that cannot tolerate opinions contrary to its own is simply not civilised. Free speech is a part, and sometimes a price, of liberty.
I remember the furore about the cartoons that were printed in the Dutch press. Muslims around the world were calling for the deaths of the people responsible. In London, Muslims were marching carrying placards 'Behead the infidels' etc.
There are certainly extremists in most religions, but I think many people will agree with me that Islam seems to have more, and more extreme, extremists than any other faith.
Do you defend the action of the Pakistani government? Or was the whole thing an exaggeration? Did we imagine it?
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FreqNasty
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1. March 2008 @ 02:31 |
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I second everything Sebright wrote.
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1. March 2008 @ 05:29 |
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Originally posted by Sebright:
There are certainly extremists in most religions, but I think many people will agree with me that Islam seems to have more, and more extreme, extremists than any other faith.
On the contrary, I would say that Islamic extremists have been shown on the media more and more since 2001, not to be picky here but we do have quite a lot of extremists in Christianity too such as Army of God, Aryan Nations, Christian Identity. But these are just organizations, what about Jehova's Witness', and and extreme one that's been around for centuries is the Ku Klux Klan (white supremisists). The Catholic revolutionaries were also part of the Gunpowder Plot. Not to mention the call for an assassination on Hugo Chávez just 2 or 3 years ago.
I see what you mean, and I agree- that we see a lot of Islamic terrorists (and it's a headache), but I sincerely doubt this religion has the most. Not that it matters anyway- let's just replace the word 'terrorists' as 'idiots' now in this thread.
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Wolf873
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1. March 2008 @ 17:15 |
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Originally posted by Sebright:
Do you think anyone who disagrees with your view is speaking from ignorance?
Islam is a patriarchal religion that has changed very little through the centuries. So of course women are still regarded as inferiors.
And any culture that cannot tolerate opinions contrary to its own is simply not civilised. Free speech is a part, and sometimes a price, of liberty.
I remember the furore about the cartoons that were printed in the Dutch press. Muslims around the world were calling for the deaths of the people responsible. In London, Muslims were marching carrying placards 'Behead the infidels' etc.
There are certainly extremists in most religions, but I think many people will agree with me that Islam seems to have more, and more extreme, extremists than any other faith.
Do you defend the action of the Pakistani government? Or was the whole thing an exaggeration? Did we imagine it?
Well if you say Islam has changed very little over the centuries, then yes, I will say that you are speaking from ignorance. Do you know what "ignorance" means? In case you don't here is a quoted meaning from a dictionary: "the state or fact of being ignorant; lack of knowledge, learning, information, etc."
Now that you got that, what do you know of Islam? You say it hasn't changed, let me tell you, it's not suppose to change. Does any religion changes from what it was all those years ago. No, at least not that I know of, I would be glad if you could give me an example though. It's the "people" that have to accommodate to modern times while still following their religion; looking to it for guidance: make no mistake Islam has given all guidelines one needs, but who now days really follows their religion accordingly, except for minorities. Just like Darhadou said, blame media for making Islam the focus of religious extremists, certainly it's not the only one. And if you would dismiss the fact that governments have nothing to do with any of these terrorist acts, then you need to open your eyes my friend. Nothing that happens in this world conforms to linear pattern, there's more going on than what we know.
For the record, Islam is open to anyone's opinion as long as they are in certain limits, especially for Muslims it's even stricter even if those opinions contradict its own, so yes you're wrong about Islam or culture that follows Islam being not civilized. Free speech? Yes that's our right, but to what extent? Now in Islam, Prophets are held very dear and to say anything against them, is disrespectful. If only you knew the history of Islam, you would know why. And please don't look in Wikipedia or anything like that for info. Many of commercial sites have been found to be false.
*Regarding that dispute over the cartoons. Well Free Speech is one thing, but there is also respect, isn't there? Or are you trying to say Media should be disrespectful toward others. Say what you want, but do it within boundaries of what's held right and wrong by people of that particular religion or belief. It's the same thing as if someone spreading false rumors about you or your family and the consequences that would follow. Would you like that sort of thing happening to your family? No, right. That's what it feels like.
*Also remember, to be completely free is to welcome total chaos, that's why there are rules in this world. As long as there are rules, no one is completely free.
Did you hear what tortures were committed upon prisoners in Iraq by U.S. army personnel? Let's just say they were barbaric. And I thought those soldiers were suppose to be civilized.
Women are not, I repeat not, regarded as inferiors. Do you really know how many rights a woman has that could make a man jealous of her? Many. And if you are referring to women being forced to cover up, than it's for their own good: just imagine the number of rapes that would decrease if woman covered up. But first, let me clarify: Woman can choose to not cover if they want to, nobody can force them, Islam asks them to follow it with their own will, not by someone else's. Even a Muslim is uneducated in Islam him or herself, just like Christianity and Buddhism and any other religions have people uneducated in their ways. So they act upon their limited knowledge not knowing what they are really doing. So please don't jump to conclusions.
I am not sure of what to make of the action of Pakistani government, in fact I don't even like the people that run the show there. But for myself, I believe an individual him or herself should know what's best for them and their beliefs by being "Educated" in their choice of religion.
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varnull
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1. March 2008 @ 18:10 |
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Blah blah.. Islam is a totalitarian and intolerant religion.. It seeks to dominate by ignorance, lies and oppression. Since when has the public beheading of women been the actions of a civilized government? Never, that's when.
Islam needs to drag itself out of the ignorant dark ages and get with the program, otherwise there can be no place in the future for it.
As for extremists.. one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.. depends which side you are on.. but it's funny that the countries where these suicide bombers and extremists operate are all democratic countries.. where even the extremists have the right to voice an opinion and believe what they want.
If you want my personal opinion.. I think we should assasinate the governments of extreme islamic countries to give all the decent muslims a chance to taste freedom from the oppression of the mosque.
We should also do away with the violent warmongering oil greedy christian right in the USA for exactly the same reason.. trying to make a global America and forcing their values and views on me.
I truly believe you have the right fo follow any faith you want however stupid and ignorant.. so long as it does not attempt to enforce behaviour or belief on others..
/me has teh nukez, and me is prepared to use them.. stone age here we come.
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Wolf873
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1. March 2008 @ 19:01 |
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Originally posted by varnull:
Blah blah.. Islam is a totalitarian and intolerant religion.. It seeks to dominate by ignorance, lies and oppression. Since when has the public beheading of women been the actions of a civilized government? Never, that's when.
Islam needs to drag itself out of the ignorant dark ages and get with the program, otherwise there can be no place in the future for it.
As for extremists.. one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.. depends which side you are on.. but it's funny that the countries where these suicide bombers and extremists operate are all democratic countries.. where even the extremists have the right to voice an opinion and believe what they want.
If you want my personal opinion.. I think we should assasinate the governments of extreme islamic countries to give all the decent muslims a chance to taste freedom from the oppression of the mosque.
We should also do away with the violent warmongering oil greedy christian right in the USA for exactly the same reason.. trying to make a global America and forcing their values and views on me.
I truly believe you have the right fo follow any faith you want however stupid and ignorant.. so long as it does not attempt to enforce behaviour or belief on others..
/me has teh nukez, and me is prepared to use them.. stone age here we come.
1. You know, that first line really proves my point that you're nothing but an ignorant fool. As for a totalitarian and intolerant religion...umm...I don't think so. I think Bush government is more of a totalitarian seeker than any other, it's not Islam who's trying to take over the world and tell other what to do now is it? Beheading, well that just proves my another point, even Muslims are ignorant of their own religion and take things to extremities. Those ignorant fools also include politicians who make up the rules, not just citizens, so things like women beheading isn't really Islam's fault. I know S.A. has that sort of government, they behead or kill someone for stupidest of things, but that's its governing system not Islam's.
2. Get itself out of the dark ages, yeah right. It's far too complex for your feeble mind to ever understand of what Islam truly is. Unless your courteous enough to give it a chance.
3. Assassinate extremist governments? Well I am sure glad that's not how Islam works. It doesn't seeks to destroy any other government unless that government brings war to Islam's door steps, that's the only time taking of life is ever allowed, and I'm sure that's how war works. But war is only the last resort, peace talk is always the priority. As far as oppression of mosque goes, well any "true" Muslim will tell you they don't feel oppressed at all and are thankful for the amount of freedom Islam gives them.
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ddp
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1. March 2008 @ 19:38 |
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i think we had better leave religon alone as all it will do here is cause a flamewar that we mods will have to take care of. AGREED!!??
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Wolf873
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1. March 2008 @ 21:29 |
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Originally posted by ddp:
i think we had better leave religon alone as all it will do here is cause a flamewar that we mods will have to take care of. AGREED!!??
Yes please, thank you.
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Sebright
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2. March 2008 @ 07:10 |
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Yes, certainly a good idea to close the discussion with the pro-Islamic voice having the last word, and accusing anyone who doesn't agree of ignorance. But don't worry, that's my last post on this thread.
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Adamontar
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3. March 2008 @ 02:04 |
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Nothing wrong with some debating.
Its strange you dont hear people complaining about italians or budhists. You do about islam for many reasons,
-9/11
-suicide bombings
-homophobia
-non-tolerance of other religions
-sexism
-violence
-jihad
-genocide
-hate
-islam itself was born out of violence, look at mohamad he actually conquered and killed non-believers.
Jesus, moses, budha, abraham, confucius, never preached violence or picked up a sword. now you see the real difference between islam and the other religions in the world.
There once was a peaceful sect of islam that didn not believe in violence , they were killed of by extremists.
All I know is that the world would be a much peacefull place if this violent islam did not exist.
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ddp
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3. March 2008 @ 02:23 |
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Adamontar, christians have killed their fair share of people. look at the crusades of the 10th to 12th century as they killed jews, christians & muslims. the muslims were more tolerant when they held most of spain then the roman catholics did afterward. this violence only became prevalent after the 2nd world war. it was 2 americans who killed more people at once till 9/11 happened. all religions have their extremists & til they are dealt with, there will always be problems. look at northern ireland, protestants versus the catholics.
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Adamontar
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3. March 2008 @ 15:47 |
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The crusades were just as you had muslim arab invaders, and turks attacking. The crusades were there to protect christian pilgrims, and protect the holy land from them. Remember the muslims were the ones who destroyed the sassinide empire in the middle east which was made up of christians, jews and zarostians.
how much killing did the muslims have to do to conquer spain.
I doubt that spain was more tolerant and would be more tolerant if it was muslim, not roman catholic. In spain in this roman catholic country you have such freedom that is unheard of in muslims countries. Just look at morroco, egypt you can get your hands cut off. Yuck. thats how spain could of been.
besides if you ask any person in the world were would they want to live in a 100% muslim country or anywhere else you know what the answer would be.
Yes its true religion does have its fanatics, but there is a difference between the ones who pray for you, then kill you.
When the davinci code was made was anyone ever killed, cinema bombed when it was made. I doubt it would be the same if it was a anti-muslim movie.
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3. March 2008 @ 16:09 |
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Adamontar
That was a cover to get all the able bodied men out of the country because unrest was brewing, nothing calms the public like a good war and holy fck governments still do it today.
My point being the crusades were a army sent to qualm border disputes that wound up being a frocking massacrer and because it was so vile it sent parts of Islam back 200 years and because of that we have the warring tribes of today.
Most of Islam at that time was a academic wonderland with a few battle lusting hate mongers, think of the US today and its ideological oxymoronic Christian leaders take them and their war/control lust and use them as a reason to destroy the US now add a waring chaotic army to it and as they go from place to place both sides bring more devastation and hatred as they go along.
Christianity is about as pure as the driven snow in a blood filled balltefiled.....
With that sad...it would help if Islam could separate itself from its conservatives sadly they are stuck about 500ish years in the past, you have the old mindsets the protection of modern thought and hardcore traditions and the tribal system ensures chaos rains and from a societal standpoint its the tribal system that keeps them so easily mislead.
of coarse I could start in over the fou democracy thats the US..I mean really..its more a aristocratic government were the peasant gets to gamble on which preselected candidate in the form of a vote. *rolls eyes*
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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ddp
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3. March 2008 @ 17:41 |
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this is now closed unless site admin states otherwise.
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