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March: Wii leads as Xbox 360 and PS3 were very close in huge month
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article published on 17 April, 2008
The NPD figures are out and nobody is surprised that the Nintendo Wii console is far up the ladder from its two competitors again. Microsoft and Sony ended the month only 5,000 unit sales apart, with the Xbox 360 taking the tiny lead. Specifically, the Wii console sold an impressive 721,000 units, followed by the handheld DS console which wasn't too far behind at 698,000 units.
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I really hate doing this because I know I am going to get absolutely NOTHING but a headache....but anyway now to my point. This chart is a 400 week total (not just 1 month) that shows the respective trends of PS2, PS3 & 360
http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=P...3=All&weeks=400
The bottom line is this and will always be this. Sony has a MUCH better worldwide market penetration with PS1 & PS2 sales while Microsoft with the Xbox did not and currently with the 360 will not, in the end. The Xbox had sold roughly 28 Million with the US being their best market, so this combined with the 360's poor sales in all other markets & hardware issues shows what the trend for the 360 will be. I could go on but I think the gist of my point had been made.
As for the Wii, it will continue to sell well because of Nintendo's history, quality of product, price point and again their worldwide presence (plus it is for kids, more so than the other 2 and parents will be inclined towards that). Now for as to how long this will be? Who knows? What I can say though, is that while it is fun to play, the "gimmick" to me has worn off. I personally want to play higher quality games with higher quality graphics that aren't "cartoony" in nature, something MUCH more complex like GT5(&P), Resistance 2, MGS, FF13 (&VS) & other similar titles that will compliment & utilize my home theater FULLY. This is my choice & the same feelings I have gotten from my peers/friends who have multiple consoles.
You cannot make assumptions and make a strong case based off of a 1 month to 1 month figure. By the end of this year you will be able to compare total month to month sales with a lot more scrutiny and correct projection trend. In addition it should be noted that the 360's sales has flattened quite a bit while the PS3 has shown a similar sales trend compared to the PS2. Because of this the PS3 will continue to close the gap and then SHOULD surpass the 360 in sales by later this year if not by sometime in early 09 at the latest.
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I understand what you are saying MS screwed up to much thus limited their success,sony is trying to right their mistakes with the PS3 but its slow going and the WII is just a fabulous niche console able to gain acceptance in the causal market...I get that the WI will have the best sales because it has the most consumers, I would argue the quality point but for real quality in hardware and software you'd have to go to the PC market but I digress.
MS wil maintain for awhile but I see them flandering and failing in 2 year time, Sony will only get better, once they drop another 100$ off the PS3 the WII will ave a time trying to out sell it on a month to month basis(given the WII has hit a certain saturation limit.)
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you hate a company so much to the point where i think you would rather kill the CEO of Sony than Osama Bin Laden
The CEO of Sony is a kind of failed Bin Laden to some.:)
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Sony will only get better, once they drop another 100$ off the PS3 the WII will ave a time trying to out sell it on a month to month basis
The Wii is technologically inferior to an Xbox or PS3, but only on paper. The reality is that it has good enough graphics and game play for half the price of its competitors. Sony screwed up with the release of the PS3 some time ago while it was suffering from its various hardware issues, and then to insure that it thoroughly screwed up Sony's execs decided to pawn the PS3 into the HD Definition wars. In the end Toshiba caved and put an end to HD DVD, but the PS3 was also a casualty.
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Sony will only get better, once they drop another 100$ off the PS3 the WII will ave a time trying to out sell it on a month to month basis
The Wii is technologically inferior to an Xbox or PS3, but only on paper. The reality is that it has good enough graphics and game play for half the price of its competitors. Sony screwed up with the release of the PS3 some time ago while it was suffering from its various hardware issues, and then to insure that it thoroughly screwed up Sony's execs decided to pawn the PS3 into the HD Definition wars. In the end Toshiba caved and put an end to HD DVD, but the PS3 was also a casualty.
The wii is cheap,gimmicky and a hit with the casuals,from a real gamer perspective its not the graphics that are lacking I can only count 5 games on it worth owning since it came out,the rest fodder for the "c"ombie horde.
The 360 was th center of the gaming world until the WII hit and it was only "good" because it was the only thing out.
the PS3 will gain the center of the gaming world moving forward,unless the WI gains devs, without devs no system can sustain itself, the PS3 has the power and with the kneading it can have the right price to be 2nd in WII in unit sales.
the WII days should be numbered its a fad, I do not see the quality needed for a long term run,even the PS3 barely has "quality" of coarse...looking at the 360...all you need is a fad to make POS hardware sale well.... 0-o.
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the WII days should be numbered its a fad
All gaming consoles are fads and all of their days are numbered, because no system last beyond a few short years. The problem with the PS3 is that it arrived way too late and can now only hope to pickup enough support to stay alive before the next wave of new consoles hit the market. Although Blu-Ray won the HD wars it is still buggy and undependable while the now aging DVD format is stable. I can't wait to pick one up for "nickels and dimes," when the prices are way down, because the next generation console is just over the horizon.;)
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the WII days should be numbered its a fad
All gaming consoles are fads and all of their days are numbered, because no system last beyond a few short years. The problem with the PS3 is that it arrived way too late and can now only hope to pickup enough support to stay alive before the next wave of new consoles hit the market. Although Blu-Ray won the HD wars it is still buggy and undependable while the now aging DVD format is stable. I can't wait to pick one up for "nickels and dimes," when the prices are way down, because the next generation console is just over the horizon.;)
Yes and no, the WII is more of a gimmick than a fad at least game wise, its hit the core of the casual market which in all things considered a miracle.
The PS3 has the power and gaining dev support to reclaim its position as best "high end" console, the 360 is a mess and waning by the month.
Well it be as kingly as the PS2 no but it will at least take the high end gaming crown until MS brings out a new system.
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Originally posted by Sophocles:
All gaming consoles are fads and all of their days are numbered, because no system last beyond a few short years.
Sorry but this is not totally correct. The PS2 has been around for 8 years now or so and still continues to do well with console sales & game sales. The PS3 will do the same and be around for at least 9-10 years
Originally posted by Sophocles:
The problem with the PS3 is that it arrived way too late and can now only hope to pickup enough support to stay alive before the next wave of new consoles hit the market.
The PS3 did not arrive too late. Actually it was right on time as MS rushed their system and look at all the hardware issues they continue to have. If you go up to my previous post and look at the sales trend the PS3 is right in line with the PS2, so they are doing absolutely fine and will, in the long run do equally good as their previous 2 consoles.
Originally posted by Sophocles:
Although Blu-Ray won the HD wars it is still buggy and undependable while the now aging DVD format is stable. I can't wait to pick one up for "nickels and dimes," when the prices are way down, because the next generation console is just over the horizon.;)
There is a lot to be mistaken with this kind of mind set. BD will be here for at least the next 10 years and the "next" console will only be from MS in an attempt to keep up with Sony & Nintendo while at the same time only taking more money from uneducated consumers too blind to see that MS does not offer the customer a product that can stand the test of time. MS has always and will always be about making more money for themselves at the customers expense.
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Dis be true mate.
The PS3 is mroe or elss "IT" as far as normal/high end gaming goes for the next 5 years esy, the WII is a niche in a niche,I only discount it a lil and they have built the library up with non gimmick/party games I'll fully admit they are doing well as a game console and not an odd niche machine.
The 360 is broken and its focus all over the palce, it would be best for MS to just launch a fully fixed and less locked up gaming media machine.
If the hardware was stable and it had 80%+ BWC even I would buy into the monolithic beast but as of yet 2 games that are not on the PC/PS3 theres no reason for my to get a easy break oven.
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Sorry but this is not totally correct. The PS2 has been around for 8 years now or so and still continues to do well with console sales & game sales. The PS3 will do the same and be around for at least 9-10 years
You can?t say that anything is ?not totally correct.? because you are speculating just as I was in my previous post unless of course you can predict the future. The evidence however supports my speculations more than it does yours. Please note that some of my claims are based on direct experience since I?ve spent the last several months learning the best method to backup movies from HD DVD, and Blu-Ray. I would already be authoring in the Blu-Ray format if it weren?t for the lack of standards for the format.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/20/arts/2...r=1&oref=slogin
No one is denying that the PS2 proved to be a great success story for Sony, and that it?s been around for a while, but that has no bearings on whether or not the PS3 will be able to match its success over time. The PS2 had an advantage, the same advantage that Nintendo is experiencing now, affordability. For many the graphics on a PS2 was and is good enough. The PS2 continues to do well because it is a tried and true format with enormous market saturation which is a temptation for any game developer, because it simplifies the development and release of cost effective games. The PS3?s North American release was Nov. 17th 2006, but it came in limited numbers and was supposed to be released in. The PS3 suffered hardware issues that prevented an earlier 2005 release.
http://games.kikizo.com/news/200609/064_p1.asp
http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/n...low-and-broken.
The estimated life span of a gaming console is about 5 years give or take a year, and I expect that the PS3 will not prove to be much different on that account before new consoles begin to emerge. It?s true that the PS2 lived beyond the expected 5 years but it did so in competition with the Wii, Xbox 360, and then later the PS3. Sony had expected to retire the PS2 upon release of the PS3, but they failed to accurately forecast its release date. Even after its release it met with a lukewarm response, because many console gamers had already flocked to Nintendo?s Wii and Microsoft?s Xbox 360.
PS3 Timeline: http://www.ps3blog.net/2005/08/01/sony-ps3-timeline/
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/sho...pic_id=25247543
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Jul 2005 Sony ships 450 evaluation units.
Aug 2005 Sony ships 200 evaluation units.
Sep 2005 Sony ships 300 evaluation units.
Sep 7-11, ?05 CEDIA Expo 2005
Sep 16-18, ?05 Tokyo Game Show
Oct 22-30, ?05 Akihabara Entertainment Festival
Oct 2005 Sony ships 3000 evaluation units.
Nov 2005 Sony ships 3000 evaluation units.
Dec 2005 Reference Tool Release
Jan 5, ?06 CES Keynote Speach by Howard Stringer, Sony?s CES 2006
Feb 2006 PlayStation Conference (never happened)
Feb 16 - 20, ?06 Taipei Game Show
Feb 27 + 2006 Destination PlayStation (Developer?s Conference)
March 15, 2006 Sony Press Conference
March 22, 2006 Phil Harrison Keynote at GDC This is my realtime GDC coverage.
May 8th 2006, 4pm Pre-E3 Press Conference
Sept 22-24, ?06 Tokyo Game Show
November 2006 PS3 Launch in Asia, North America, and Europe
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There is a lot to be mistaken with this kind of mind set. BD will be here for at least the next 10 years
No mistaken mind sets here and I doubt that Blu-Ray will be much more than it is now in 10 years even if it is still an accepted format. Blu-Ray players hit the market plagued with issues and for each fix that surfaced a new one arose to replace it. In the end Blu-Ray is still in a format war because the standard DVD format will continue to thrive and out sell Blu-Ray for some time to come, and that could spell its demise.
http://www.joystiq.com/2008/03/23/ps3-ra...online-snafus/2
http://www.cnet.com/8301-13506_1-9888515-17.html
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/movies/proble...ters-266923.php
http://kotaku.com/gaming/gizmodo/one-man...sues-215190.php
http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/09/samsu...lu-ray-players/
Again I realize that I am speculating one side of a debate just as you are, but you can?t just arbitrarily say that I am wrong when you can?t know for sure that it?s true.
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Originally posted by Sophocles:
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Sorry but this is not totally correct. The PS2 has been around for 8 years now or so and still continues to do well with console sales & game sales. The PS3 will do the same and be around for at least 9-10 years
You can?t say that anything is ?not totally correct.? because you are speculating just as I was in my previous post unless of course you can predict the future. The evidence however supports my speculations more than it does yours. Please note that some of my claims are based on direct experience since I?ve spent the last several months learning the best method to backup movies from HD DVD, and Blu-Ray. I would already be authoring in the Blu-Ray format if it weren?t for the lack of standards for the format.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/20/arts/2...r=1&oref=slogin
No one is denying that the PS2 proved to be a great success story for Sony, and that it?s been around for a while, but that has no bearings on whether or not the PS3 will be able to match its success over time. The PS2 had an advantage, the same advantage that Nintendo is experiencing now, affordability. For many the graphics on a PS2 was and is good enough. The PS2 continues to do well because it is a tried and true format with enormous market saturation which is a temptation for any game developer, because it simplifies the development and release of cost effective games. The PS3?s North American release was Nov. 17th 2006, but it came in limited numbers and was supposed to be released in. The PS3 suffered hardware issues that prevented an earlier 2005 release.
http://games.kikizo.com/news/200609/064_p1.asp
http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/n...low-and-broken.
The estimated life span of a gaming console is about 5 years give or take a year, and I expect that the PS3 will not prove to be much different on that account before new consoles begin to emerge. It?s true that the PS2 lived beyond the expected 5 years but it did so in competition with the Wii, Xbox 360, and then later the PS3. Sony had expected to retire the PS2 upon release of the PS3, but they failed to accurately forecast its release date. Even after its release it met with a lukewarm response, because many console gamers had already flocked to Nintendo?s Wii and Microsoft?s Xbox 360.
PS3 Timeline: http://www.ps3blog.net/2005/08/01/sony-ps3-timeline/
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/sho...pic_id=25247543
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Jul 2005 Sony ships 450 evaluation units.
Aug 2005 Sony ships 200 evaluation units.
Sep 2005 Sony ships 300 evaluation units.
Sep 7-11, ?05 CEDIA Expo 2005
Sep 16-18, ?05 Tokyo Game Show
Oct 22-30, ?05 Akihabara Entertainment Festival
Oct 2005 Sony ships 3000 evaluation units.
Nov 2005 Sony ships 3000 evaluation units.
Dec 2005 Reference Tool Release
Jan 5, ?06 CES Keynote Speach by Howard Stringer, Sony?s CES 2006
Feb 2006 PlayStation Conference (never happened)
Feb 16 - 20, ?06 Taipei Game Show
Feb 27 + 2006 Destination PlayStation (Developer?s Conference)
March 15, 2006 Sony Press Conference
March 22, 2006 Phil Harrison Keynote at GDC This is my realtime GDC coverage.
May 8th 2006, 4pm Pre-E3 Press Conference
Sept 22-24, ?06 Tokyo Game Show
November 2006 PS3 Launch in Asia, North America, and Europe
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There is a lot to be mistaken with this kind of mind set. BD will be here for at least the next 10 years
No mistaken mind sets here and I doubt that Blu-Ray will be much more than it is now in 10 years even if it is still an accepted format. Blu-Ray players hit the market plagued with issues and for each fix that surfaced a new one arose to replace it. In the end Blu-Ray is still in a format war because the standard DVD format will continue to thrive and out sell Blu-Ray for some time to come, and that could spell its demise.
http://www.joystiq.com/2008/03/23/ps3-ra...online-snafus/2
http://www.cnet.com/8301-13506_1-9888515-17.html
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/movies/proble...ters-266923.php
http://kotaku.com/gaming/gizmodo/one-man...sues-215190.php
http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/09/samsu...lu-ray-players/
Again I realize that I am speculating one side of a debate just as you are, but you can?t just arbitrarily say that I am wrong when you can?t know for sure that it?s true.
Heres the problem tho with the current generation of consoles the 360isa marketing success but a nightmare outside marketing its days are numbered because theres just to much going against it, the WII is much more of a gimmick than a game machine its won the casuals but has only won over so many "normal" gamers, the PS3 because its Asian, because its sony will have a down hill slide to success its managed to keep from off off the roller coaster as of yet and should do well for itself in the long run,will it be the next "PS2" I have my doubts.
Blu ray needs 5 years into the Hdef market by itself before I will consider it the next format or not, right now the price of players keeps it takinging on the SD market..
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Good points although I wasn't supporting any particular format. Those who know me know that I'm a PC gamer at heart, but with a Teenage son I am financially drawn into the console wars.
When Sony first entered the console gaming market it was largely by accident. Nintendo hired Sony to develop a CD Rom gaming solution for them which makes them in effect a co developer of the original Playstation. For some reason Nintendo backed out of the deal which left Sony holding the bag so Sony did the obvious thing. Use the technology to develop their own gaming system, and it was thus that the fist Playstation was born. Nintendo got stupid and released the N64 which still used outdated cartridge storage which severely limited the amount of data that could be stored. Nintendo's games were too small and they failed to compete against Sony. The result was that Nintendo almost followed Sega out the back to obsolescence (though the DreamCast was a great system and ahead of its time). I can't say that the Wii will continue to dominate but it has great press, good price point, and cross generational support. The rest is up to time to tell the whole story.
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Good points although I wasn't supporting any particular format. Those who know me know that I'm a PC gamer at heart, but with a Teenage son I am financially drawn into the console wars.
When Sony first entered the console gaming market it was largely by accident. Nintendo hired Sony to develop a CD Rom gaming solution for them which makes them in effect a co developer of the original Playstation. For some reason Nintendo backed out of the deal which left Sony holding the bag so Sony did the obvious thing. Use the technology to develop their own gaming system, and it was thus that the fist Playstation was born. Nintendo got stupid and released the N64 which still used outdated cartridge storage which severely limited the amount of data that could be stored. Nintendo's games were too small and they failed to compete against Sony. The result was that Nintendo almost followed Sega out the back to obsolescence (though the DreamCast was a great system and ahead of its time). I can't say that the Wii will continue to dominate but it has great press, good price point, and cross generational support. The rest is up to time to tell the whole story.
I am a cheap/pragmatic gamer, I refuse to pay more than 25-30 for mediocre titles, my limit on consoles is 200$, the same goes for PC parts.
I like good games that offer me control options so I tend to lean to PC gaming even tho I see the casual market focus bum raping it to death.
When I try and think out console/game issues(which can be hard for a pea brain to do) I look at 3 factors casual focus,gamer focus and marketing ability.
the 360 is the most balanced of the lot in these terms but it as a lot of outside factors like poor design,aged design,high fail rates even today,locked media management and poor media management, even with these issues its still a fair console altho personally I wont go over 100$ for a premium or 200 for a elite.
The WII is casual focused,so much so tis hurting the games that are on it, if you are a non gamer you want care if you can blow 200 a month on gaming you wont care, but for soemone like me who buys a new console once every 2 years its jsut not matured yet for me, its ding great market wise but I am otherwise unimpressed with it and its 100$ more than I am willing to pay for it right now this minute.
The PS3 is a gamer focused unit I'l let BWC slide for now they did something with the price and its a vertile media machine that you can manage most of your data on, its important to note if you can not manage the data you bought then you must have a lot of money to not care about the simi permenate stuff you bought.
The PS3 is better balanced as a gaming console "moving forward" as they say,because a lot of devs lean to JP machines its going to get more devs as optimizations and lower prices stabilize.
As far "real" games them selfs I feel its 360>PC>PS3>PS2>Wii, you can not doubt the current mentality is 360 friendly, PC over PS3 simply because the PS3 needs another year before its library,optimizations and dev verisilty will reach a point that it can lead devs to it.
The PS2 is still a viable console and I feel as far as "REAL" games go it has alil more something than the WII at this point.
Of coarse I am of the growing mentality they don;t make real games anymore but 50$ 5 hour interactive B movies....
I suppose I am thinking 4 ways
Warning zippyisim alert
Marketing ability(The ability to pull the wool over sheeples eyes,shave them and rape them in the bum at the same time.)
Games (Real games for real gamers not casual games for zombies.)
Casual focus(Entertaining TeH zombies.)
Gamer focus (Games with options,games with depth,games that you can use to fend off "zombies" with.)
Ability (versatility,ability,ease of use,options,handicaps,limits,zombie corporation tooth marks,ect,ect)
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Epic Games won?t ever make a game for the Wii: ?we go forward, not back
http://www.megatonik.com/2008/04/20/mike...t-back/
Which is a good thing since they make mainly mainstream gimmicky shooters now.....
Unreal 1 great,Unreal 2 fail,UT99 great,UT03 fail,UT04 ok(for a expatiation),GEARS barely bearable(mainly because they have not fixed the PC version yet),UT3 bearable.
At least they are not a complete failure in my eyes like ID and Raven have become but they are steadily uping the suck factor in their over all designs..
The problem with the industry today is they refuse to see the value in solid and well thought out gameplay and think graphics and effects are everything.
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Oh WOW this debate has gone to the point where people are citing Nietzsche :D
Anyways... don't think I'm getting on the side of any one console here because I'm not, there is one thing I've come to realize...
Those who criticize Xbox most usually don't own one
Those who criticize PS3 most usually don't own one
Those who criticize Wii most usually don't own
and most importantly.. EVERYBODY cites their "friends" who "do own one" and "don't like it", instead of just admitting direct bias. It's almost like a racist saying some of his best friends are from the race he hates ;-) and no, I didn't call anybody a racist, it's supposed to be a joke ;-)
Meanwhile I am hoping that Xbox 360 and PS3 continue to tear into each other so that consumers can benefits from price drops, bundles and a push for new features and games etc. It's supposed to be a console war yet most people who own a certain console want to declare its victory now when they couldn't possibly know that for sure, and couldn't even go on speculation based on the market, and in the end, all you have is bragging rights against other biased people, you don't get a cut of the financial success and you too will have to buy the next generation console from that company at some point.
There are reasons why I am totally against comparing this generation to the last. Firstly, we have three consoles that are regularly updated via Internet adding new features... and not just gimmick features, I'm talking about the ability to, for example, play DivX files or decode DTS-HD Master Audio, or buy games or video downloads from an online store delivered directly to box and viewable on TV etc. I don't need to go on, you all know it already. Each box has incredible innovation at all levels over the previous generation.
After that you can also take economic matters into account over the past decade or so, and the transition to a new generation of people starting work etc. who grew up with GFX-innovative PlayStation 1 console and its successor PS2 and Microsoft's first Xbox console amongst others.
I will say however that one thing may be said, the most-likely Achillies heal of the Xbox 360 console, at least from my perspective, is not hardware issues (mine was bought Dec 2nd, 2005, still running perfect), but its performance in Japan. If the PS3 passes it out before mid-2009 I think you can solely blame Japan and not "hardware issues" which can be taken care of and are resolvable. All early editions of anything new suffer from one defect or another, it just depends how the company behind it chooses to handle the problem.
The PS3 console certainly has come back with a boom lately, but even though it causes me no end of delight as it gets the "war" truly rumbling, why is it interpreted as something "extra" and not something "vital"? It's 2008 now, it's boom is a necessity now before anything else and its sustainability relies more-so on games and not Blu-ray, so again, it's a wonderful thing because we can expect some very sexy titles.
The Wii console is both the most loved and the most hated console. I don't like the weird fanboy tactic of attempting to put the Wii in a different category or... as some of the ppl I have debated with have tried... put it as part of the "previous generation" of consoles, as in it rivals PS2 and Xbox, and I think we are all intelligent enough to understand why thats a falsehood and dare I say a bitterly jealous claim? On the other hand I accept that the Wii may need on-going innovation outside of 2008/2009 to keep momentum high, and I think Nintendo knows that fact only too well, I wouldn't have been surprised if Wii Fit was delayed in the U.S. / Europe until Wii figures start to drop off a bit for example, and I say that without taking anything away from the Wii, it got its incredible success so far starting out as the perceivable underdog in this round of the ongoing tech competition, and to begrudge it is also needlessly bitter.
Now I also have heard the same claims made about Microsoft and Sony from either side of their own little fanboy war :-) It's always either... "Microsoft is a wealthy corporation, sustained by greed and corrupt morals, who simply wants to sell an under-performing console to ppl and then run away with the money" or.... "Sony is an evil corporation that put rootkits on your legally-bought music CDs"... firstly, both companies want YOUR money equally, neither is more greedy and Sony didn't put rootkits on your damn CDs (Sony BMG did) and if they did, what the f**k would that have to do with gaming anyway?
I see some things I like about PS3, I see some things I like about Xbox 360. One fact tho is they are "BOTH" media centers, I have no idea why a certain person I have been debating with lately said that Xbox 360 is a not a media center and PS3 is, while the 360 is defined as a "Windows Media Center Extender Version 2". Granted the PS3 has Blu-ray, so there's points right there, and I think that Microsoft will cave and offer a Blu-ray add-on before long from customer demand, for now, MS relies on a defunct HD DVD add-on and digital HD downloads to HDD, but the point is that both are media center boxes as well as games consoles.
I say the above because people feel the need to always bring multimedia into it. Do I have personal bias? Sure! like everyone else but I have no idea which way this one is going, just looking at the difference in tech industries in the first years of this decade and now, I'm not willing to write any of the console makers off at all...
But ye, I think I've ranted too much ;-)
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How can the Wii even be selling when it's never available? in the last 5 weeks, I've seen it available twice in in only 1 store!
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Originally posted by fonzbear:
How can the Wii even be selling when it's never available? in the last 5 weeks, I've seen it available twice in in only 1 store!
because they sale it so much they can't keep it in stock?
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I know I focus o the 360s hardware issues a lot but I still say tis a fair system and I do not discount tis sales, its doing well but not in the Asian countries and i the ed no matter how bad they build the 360 will be its down fall becuse the populace at large is ok with MS bum rapign them.
I have had a 360 for 15 months after my friend had it for 4 at 10 months in it started to go nuts and hes had to replace it 3 times since, the 360 is ok but without control and data "options" I refuse to buy into it myself.
I have also managed to get a PS3 for 8 months sold it off to a friend for 800$bucks over 10 months,it was the 80GB unit, the PS3 is just better designed but it still has issues its just not there yet, not for me to spend alot of money into it but unlike the 360 it has potential on many grounds, I want to get a 60GB unit but have bills to deal with this year that can not wait.
The WII is neat but for a aged gamer overly simplistic and the games are mostly super casual focused and not worth paying 40+ for.
the WII and PS3 are a must get the 360 is better replaced with a PC(because 90% of its games will wind up on the PC anyway).
All in all they all fill tier niches well and if you have money you should find a place for all of them
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Meanwhile I am hoping that Xbox 360 and PS3 continue to tear into each other so that consumers can benefits from price drops, bundles and a push for new features and games
Just having the games drop in price will save me money, but I doubt that a war between the Xbox 360 and PS3 will last long since Sony is already discussing the development of PS4.
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Chiba City-In what will go down in history as one of the most shocking announcements in Tokyo Game Show history, Sony announced today that the company will be discontinuing development for it?s Playstation 3 console by the end of 2008 in order to focus all it?s resources on the upcoming Playstaion 4, which will release in the forth quarter of 2008
In Sony time that means a release sometime around 2010.
http://krooze.wordpress.com/2007/09/20/s...okyo-game-show/
http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/04/dont-...und-the-corner/
Take the articles "with a grain of salt." LOL I find the articles just a bit suspicious, although if Sony can pull it off it would be a coup.
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I say again, Sony's home consoles have to date sold way more than 5 years -
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Lasting over 11 years, the PlayStation enjoyed one of the longest production runs in the video game industry. On March 23, 2006, Sony announced the end of production.
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The PS2 has gone 8 years and will for at least another 1 if not a bit more. Sony has stated numerous times the PS3 will go for about 10. I see absolutely no reason to beleive otherwise, and the information about the "Playstaion 4, which will release in the forth quarter of 2008" was a mistranslation from my understanding and was meant to be they would START on a new project, the PS4. So to say "Take the articles with a grain of salt" is a perfect analogy/explanation.
Originally posted by Dela:
Anyways... don't think I'm getting on the side of any one console here because I'm not, there is one thing I've come to realize...
Those who criticize Xbox most usually don't own one
Those who criticize PS3 most usually don't own one
Those who criticize Wii most usually don't own
Very true but at the same time you can't just lump everyone who has a criticism into those categories as they might just have an honest view ....luckily I do not fit into any of those 3 categories, if I was, how good of a mod for the console section would I be ;).
Originally posted by Dela:
....I will say however that one thing may be said, the most-likely Achillies heal of the Xbox 360 console, at least from my perspective, is not hardware issues (mine was bought Dec 2nd, 2005, still running perfect), but its performance in Japan. If the PS3 passes it out before mid-2009 I think you can solely blame Japan and not "hardware issues" which can be taken care of and are resolvable. All early editions of anything new suffer from one defect or another, it just depends how the company behind it chooses to handle the problem.
I think it is more of a combination of the 2. Somewhere between having a weak worldwide market penetration & the hardware issues that will continue to plague MS's success.
Originally posted by Dela:
Now I also have heard the same claims made about Microsoft and Sony from either side of their own little fanboy war :-) It's always either... "Microsoft is a wealthy corporation, sustained by greed and corrupt morals, who simply wants to sell an under-performing console to ppl and then run away with the money" or.... "Sony is an evil corporation that put rootkits on your legally-bought music CDs"... firstly, both companies want YOUR money equally, neither is more greedy and Sony didn't put rootkits on your damn CDs (Sony BMG did) and if they did, what the f**k would that have to do with gaming anyway?
The part in red while true is a bit lop sided against Sony as if you look at their track record it has to be noted that they have always offered their customers MUCH more for their money which translates to them being more conscientious of them, their needs & future planing/forward thinking not just the "right now"
1) PS1 was CD based for games and audio and for their innovative 3D gaming (remember how Battle Arena Toshinden offered something NO other fighter did ~ the ability to MOVE out of the way from an attack)
2) PS2 with CD & DVD for audio, video & gaming plus it had BC
3) PS3 CD, DVD, BD, HDD, Online (Free) for gaming/browsing/upgrading, HD for gaming and video & BC (except for the 40 gb model) plus a lot of other things you also mentioned Dela ("Media Center capabilities, DivX files, decoding DTS-HD MA, buying games.....I don't need to go on, you all know it already. Each box has incredible innovation at all levels over the previous generation.")
Let it be said that I am actually very pleased with this thread (so far) with how much clear, concise information & discussions being held. It's a nice change to be able to actually talk and hold a conversation instead of just it reverting to immature ranting with no basis with people just blatantly omitting or not acknowledging real true facts, sources & information....god I love aD!
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Wow I am very pleased to finally read a forum that isn't just a bunch of fanboys bashing eash others system.
I just wanted to add my 2 cents and cheap opinons on the systems.
The reason I think Nintendo always done well is because it's a standard. Nintendo was the first system to come out and last... Yes Atari, trackball, and pong based games were first, but hay. It's kinda like wht people will read the consumer reports before they buy something, or the won't buy a Black and Decker blender, but will jump all over one from GE. Nintendo has been around for years. I remember having to blow the cartridge then stick the game in. Or setting the cartridge in but letting in hang over a little before pushing it down. Or how about up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, B, A, select, start. See found memories uh? Makes you wanna go play #$%@! (wanna see who remembers the game) Nintendo was in so many of our youths that it'll always spike our intrests, and brings back fond memories.
Plus it's popular because the WII is inovation at it's best. Oh many times did you play mario cart, and you leaned your body and controller which ever way you were turning. Would not surprise me if all the next gen consoles had some sort of sensor like the WII does.
Don't worry I won't leave the other consoles out. Playstaion, first system to bring us realism to gaming, dreamcast doesn't count. PS was the first to get away from the cartoonyism of gaming. And with the multiple releases of the console ps, ps one(lol), ps2, psp, ps3, they are trying to mass the market, and doing a good job. They are making sure their system isn't the so called "Fab" They realease a bigger better system, right before the average gamer gets bored with their system. Also with the addition of the blu-ray player makes it a huge buy. And if I'm not mistaken the ps3 is the cheapest Blu-ray player out right now. oh plus the free online magor plus.
The 360 ummmmmmmmm. ok don't get me wrong, I own a 360, but I do feel it lacks when compared to the PS3. I feel the graphics are a major lack. But the games are mostly new..... meaning most PS3 games are rerealses, and run the same consept, while there is more invations with the 360 games. I know alot of you will disagree with this and most of what I've typed. Also the 360 has anouther advantage that alot of people don't talk about that I really enjoy, I can link my msn messanger with my xbox live account, so wether I'm on my comp, on my messanger on my phone, or on live I know whos playing, and can consistantly text with them. Also my mp3 player(zune) is compatable with the 360. I can take my music videos whatever and run them through the 360. The PS3 may have some of these features but I don't own a PS3 so if they do...good for them.
But let me end in topic by saying that as an old NES player, I would buy the WII for the "freek" factor (first system supporting motion) and cause I know as an old player it's a good system.
All these opnions are that of a true average gamer. I don't read all the hype, I don't fallow stats, I don't care about the specs. I've played games since 1987 on a track and ball console that had 2 games, breakout and pong. Just a regular guy.
All you haters and bashers that wanna rip me apart cause of what I said, my grammer, or my spelling, trust me your wasting your time cause I really don't what system you have, I allready got my diploma, and I have a good paying job that doesn't require me to do alot of writting or spelling
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Just a couple of points from somebody who also had a colecovision and that atari box with pong and breakout ;)
Sony became involved in game consoles through Sega. In the time of the megadrive/genesis Sega approached sony to develop in partnership a next gen cd based console. Somewhere along the line they had a falling out which resulted in the very short lived sega-cd and the ps1. Nintendo sat back happy with sales of the snes and waited for developments working in the format they knew and coming up with the n64,, still a good gaming machine..
Sega tried again with what looked like the console they had actually planned with Sony.. the saturn.. which though graphically better than the ps1 crawled off and hid in a corner through lack of games (compare andretti racing on each console and tell me the saturn isn't the better machine)
Sega not to be beaten tried again, with the dreamcast.. unluckily crashing right into the ps2 and gamecube. Big plans and a nice console.. but again lacking games... So.. some back room dealings with Microsoft happened with sega which resulted with the xbox.. I suppose a good alternative name for it would be "sega-dvd" and there we have it..
The origin of the "console wars" actually is nothing to do with M$ or $ony.. They were both dragged into the game by Sega who were trying to get one up on Nintendo all along... while never realising that a damn blue hedgehog is never ever going to compete in any serious way with titles like James Bond, Zelda and Mario and an established customer base who like playing games.
Looks like this round they all lost again ;) It shows what an understanding Nintendo actually have on why people buy games consoles in the first place.
I remember posting somewhere about the then tagged Revolution and it's target audience.. along the lines of "at that price parents will be encouraged because even if the children don't take to it, and after 6 months it's sitting in the bottom of a closet it isn't that much of a major investment.. Priced to fly off the shelves, unlike the proposed price of the 360 or ps3. You wouldn't really want children getting their hands on something that valuable"
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Originally posted by Dela:
firstly, both companies want YOUR money equally, neither is more greedy and Sony didn't put rootkits on your damn CDs (Sony BMG did) and if they did, what the f**k would that have to do with gaming anyway?
what about sonys game DRM, secuROM, with the same phone home abilities of their infamous anti-consumer rootkit and bd+?
then you have, ARccOS, aacs, bd+, ATRAC, ect, sony has its figures in many forms of drm as does m$, what sony(mpaa) are trying to do is close the analogue hole and force everyone to upgrade to the crippled by drm hdmi (hdcp) connections.
all companies do want you money but its about time at least one company was pro-consumer and stopped ripping off ppl, especially global price fixing in the UK, the "they do it also" argument is best left in the playground where it belongs as anti-consumer is just anti-consumer and needs to be boycotted.
and for gaming divisions they need to stop anti-consumer licensing, especially on new titles, where you do not own the game only the right to play it, you cannot sell, lend or even give it away (psn warhawk (please post other titles ppl should boycott for being anti-consumer)) thus destroying the second-hand market and generating more revenue. then you have the introduction of charging for what has always been user generated free content, extra maps, weapons, vehicles ect, which now has been turned into a money generating exercise because if ppl are playing free content they are not needing to purchase new titles!
these matters need to be addressed by all manufacturers before the consumer loses out completely.
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Edited. Why should I bother? I'll just be wasting my time & effort....Hey Dela, you are absolutely 100% right about fanboys though. Your point about
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""Sony is an evil corporation that put rootkits on your legally-bought music CDs".....Sony didn't put rootkits on your damn CDs (Sony BMG did)"
It seems all some people do is harp on something that has no bearings anymore and or try and mix one thing with another just to rant while totally disregard & overlooking (even understanding) a valid point. I guess Sony (as stated) is a big bad company for wanting/trying to protect their intellectual property from being illegally distributed. Who would of thought?
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1) PS1 was CD based for games and audio and for their innovative 3D gaming (remember how Battle Arena Toshinden offered something NO other fighter did ~ the ability to MOVE out of the way from an attack)
uummm....Virtua fighter for the Saturn and some SNK 2D fighters had back and foregrounds.
the PS3 has downgraded BWC losing about 20-30% of the its compatibly,this is unforgivable for something over 300$....
Also the PS3 is a bit backward in its media options I know mroe than 3 people wo have to unplug their audio hookups and change them to another one to get some or full sound in movies, that needs to be polished up.
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innovation at its best has load of intuitiveness...the WII dose not have intuitive button customization the games tend to be forgettable party or gimmick crap for party time,not "real" games.
Of corse looking at control over the control no console gives you the options a PC dose...and I think this is something consoles need badly I need customized layouts because I am a nut job,I am learning disabled and my mind dose not work like others,ad in others with disablitrys its time gaming offered some disabled controllers,left right handed controllers and full button/stick/movement configurations in the system. Now the pads and control systems can be extra charge 100 a pop for them for all I care,I just need full button mapping on 80% of my games so I wont start enjoying them when I get tired of them 3 months after I beat it.
the 360 and PS3 go about different ways to fill the media and high end console gaming niche, my main complaint on the 360 is iffy hardware and locked data/HDD this had lead me to just get away from it every time I have had it or had the change to get it cheap,(it helps that only 3 or 4 of tis games are not on PC too :P)
the PS3 annoyes me I wanted full BWC they gave us sht and chips with only more chips than the 360s laughable BWC setup,add up the delay in momentum from the bad launch and the slow go on momentum due to optimizations, I can wait its going to take a couple of years before the PS3 will shine and when it dose it should out pace the aging and decripted 360 nicely.
The WII is a casual console more so than before it,in fact I would say its as simple as the pre 8bit Atari systems only with motion control better graphics and a tiny handful of real games, party and gimmick games should not be priced over 20$ because they are every bit as disposable as the casual mentality.
In the end a WII and 360 or PS3 will be a great game balance have them all for full gaming bliss.
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Use crazies and some sane members are working on a gamers bill of rights.
http://forums.theeca.com/showthread.php?p=76353#post76353
DRM bad,tradeabilty and sell of DLC good notto mention "traceability" of what you bought so you don;t have to rebuy it.
Come over to the eca forms we need another staunch consumer rights troll,I is notz hairy enough *lick* =^^=
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I am sorry there is a line a company dose not cross when "protecting" itself and sony have crossed that line for than 5 times and MS has done it at least twice.
Never forget and only forgive when its cheap and not so offensive.
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Originally posted by nexgen:
To say that Wii reach to a larger fan base is totally ridiculous.
How is that totally ridiculous? You won't catch an 80 year old woman playing something on a 360 or PS3.
Originally posted by nexgen:
Its Nintendo & there nothing new from them that we having seen in the past.
Nothing new from Nintendo? You are kidding right? LOL...J/K? With the Wii, they have totally changed the way you and I play video games. How have they not been nothing but innovative here?
Originally posted by nexgen:
Everyone i know that own a Wii has been burnout & said its short term fun plus lets not for get the sub-par games they have out.My son has a Wii so i should know but i have played it for no more than 30min & its all hype,but we all know why its selling PRICE POINT.If Sony would have launched the PS3 at that price point you wouldn't be hearing anything about Wii.I don't like Microsoft but i can say that they don't have a very good gaming library unlike Wii Playing Rehashes of Mario the last 15 years does get boring.
Yea sure, ok. If everyone feels that way, why do they continue to take the lead in sales? And it's next to impossible to find these things in the store without launching an all out operation to find one.
If Sony had launched their player at the price point the Wii is at, yea, people would definitely be buying those up. They would be buying them instead of paying 400-500 for a Blu-ray player.
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