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Blu-ray sales grow, but home video revenue still down
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article published on 25 April, 2008
Despite large growth in the high definition market, standard DVD sales continue to sag, and home video revenue will continue to fall, report a few notable analysts.
According to Reuters, 5 million HD movies have already been sold this year (mainly Blu-ray) and that puts the pace far ahead then 2007 which saw only 10 million movies sold for the entire year.
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Streaming Hd material from your pc is not locked in by the DRM of Blu-Ray and as you state is 4.5 gig is size, funnily enough its exactly the same size as a dvd rip but ppl just don't care!
take a browse and look for your self as even looking over the open tracker mininova proves this ppl DON'T care!
no matter how much you stamp your feet nextgen data proves this, you do realise that HD sales are less than 5% total media sales.
The benefit does not justify the price or the anti-consumer DRM locks.
Blu-ray still has a fight on its hands
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DESPITE emerging triumphant in the battle of the high-definition storage format, Sony may still have a way to go to win the war, say boffins from analyst outfit ABI Research.
ABI reckons that because almost 85 per cent of all Blu-ray players are actually PS3s, Blu-ray as a separate video unit, or PC disk drive could take as long as five years to take off.
In a recent report covered by the (cough) Philippine Inquirer, a principal analyst at ABI, Steve Wilson, noted that the fact that so many DVD players (35 per cent) could be "upconverted" to work with high-definition TVs, was a major problem for Blu-ray, especially with the prediction that over the next five years as many as 60 per cent of all DVDs would be upconversionable.
Blu-ray manufacturers, who at least appear to have caught on to the problem, have now started to slash prices in what appears to be a desperate bid to get the market going, even to the extent that computer manufacturers are offering to configure Blu-rays for reduced prices.
But as Wilson points out in his report, ?If you're only going to spend $500-600 on a PC, are you really going to spend 40 per cent more for a built-in Blu-ray player?" µ
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28. April 2008 @ 12:59 |
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Originally posted by nobrainer:
if ppl don't even want to download it for free what hope is there for ppl purchasing it?
How then do you explain the data from the article?
HDM sales:
1st Quarter of 2008 - 4.9 million units (the slowest buying season of the year)
The whole of 2007 - 9.8 million units
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no matter how much you stamp your feet nextgen data proves this, you do realise that HD sales are less than 5% total media sales.
It used to be 1%. Now it's 5%.
Pretty good progress if you ask me.
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Originally posted by juankerr:
HDM sales:
1st Quarter of 2008 - 4.9 million units (the slowest buying season of the year)
The whole of 2007 - 9.8 million units
Pretty good progress if you ask me.
Q. do you know how many units does the average DVD sell for ONE film?
once you find out this information then please feel free to state that Hi-Def is making progress!
here is an easy one, in the first week how many dvd's of I Am Legend were sold compared to HD and then work out the ratio of all the DVD's compared to HD, its a niche market and will be for a long time as its not worth the price?
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Originally posted by nobrainer:
Q. do you know how many units does the average DVD sell for ONE film?
once you find out this information then please feel free to state that Hi-Def is making progress!
No need to look up DVD numbers. You yourself gave the proof.
High def media used to be only 1 percent of all home video.
Now you say it's 5%.
1% to 5%.
That's progress right there.
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Originally posted by nobrainer:
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its not just paying customers that just don't care about blu-ray, if you take a look on your fav bittorrent, newsgroup network and compare the amount of downloads for the HD material compared to the dvd there is an overwhelming shun of the format, if ppl don't even want to download it for free what hope is there for ppl purchasing it?
I politely disagree with both you and Nextgen. I've been easing into HD over the past year. There is a huge selection of HD rips - 720P and 1080P. You've got the file size right, but you underestimate the demand for it. Warez is flooding with HD movies/tv series. And it's not just bluray rips. It's HD TV signals. Maybe the public trackers are scarce, but I see tons of HD torrents. You're right that standrd 700MB xvids that people have grown accustomed to over the past couple of years still reign, but you are underestimating the populariry of the HD rips (from both Bluray, HDDVD and HDTV). I have not seen a "shun" of the format. People are embracing it in all file sharing forums. HDD storage mediums are becoming dirt cheap now and people, including myself are upgrading. Owning a few TB's of HDD storage is not uncommon. My buddy is ripping his bluray collection (among others) and there is huge support on the forums he visits for direction. I'm not going to list my sources, but I've seem embracing of the format in all avenues of file sharing.
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@ emugamer
one quick look over wild-bytes and torrentleech quickly shows that very few ppl are bothering with the HD-x264 films.
tv shows, yes they are in popular demand, but the overall majority are still downloading dvd rips at 4.5ish gig each.
xvids and divx has seen its day, with the introduction of faster adsl/dsl you can easily download 10gig in less than a day so reducing the quality is not needed since the demise of 56k dial up.
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Originally posted by nobrainer:
@ emugamer
one quick look over wild-bytes and torrentleech quickly shows that very few ppl are bothering with the HD-x264 films.
tv shows, yes they are in popular demand, but the overall majority are still downloading dvd rips at 4.5ish gig each.
xvids and divx has seen its day, with the introduction of faster adsl/dsl you can easily download 10gig in less than a day so reducing the quality is not needed since the demise of 56k dial up.
I agree, the combination of size and lack of familiarity of the HD containers are definitely contributing factors. Why grab a ratio killer when you don't know what codecs will allow you to play it and honestly don't need a 720P quality movie? But I wouldn't base the statement "people are shunning HD content" on the torrent community alone. There is definitely growth that I've seen in the past 6 months alone. New release groups are constantly emerging, proving that there is a demand somewhere.
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Originally posted by emugamer:
Originally posted by nobrainer:
@ emugamer
one quick look over wild-bytes and torrentleech quickly shows that very few ppl are bothering with the HD-x264 films.
tv shows, yes they are in popular demand, but the overall majority are still downloading dvd rips at 4.5ish gig each.
xvids and divx has seen its day, with the introduction of faster adsl/dsl you can easily download 10gig in less than a day so reducing the quality is not needed since the demise of 56k dial up.
I agree, the combination of size and lack of familiarity of the HD containers are definitely contributing factors. Why grab a ratio killer when you don't know what codecs will allow you to play it and honestly don't need a 720P quality movie? But I wouldn't base the statement "people are shunning HD content" on the torrent community alone. There is definitely growth that I've seen in the past 6 months alone. New release groups are constantly emerging, proving that there is a demand somewhere.
Maybe i word what i said wrong but thats what i was really trying to say,Because Nobrainer visit a few torrent sites don't reflex the totally out look on HD torrents they are growing & so are the application to use for them also.Let no forget this is Nobrainer so what he say should be looked upon as a paper weight.
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Originally posted by NexGen76:
Maybe i word what i said wrong but thats what i was really trying to say,Because Nobrainer visit a few torrent sites don't reflex the totally out look on HD torrents they are growing & so are the application to use for them also.Let no forget this is Nobrainer so what he say should be looked upon as a paper weight.
They are probably the two largest closed communities on the net in english spoken language, and reflect fully ppl's downloading habits, but as i already stated just take a look over at mininova and you will see that ppl are not overly bothering to download HD content, other than, as emugamer correctly pointed out, tv episodes.
And btw ppl on closed communities generally know what the HD-x264 codec is nextgen, just because a few teenagers haven't a clue about bittorrent as it involves reading and understanding more than a combination of clicks on a game pad does not equate to the main populous that would be purchasing/downloading material, unless of course their parents are brad pitt and angelina jolley as these are they only ppl that can afford Blu-Ray as you have to be mega rich to afford one and its like buying into a millionaires lifestyle to simply own one!
The fact of the matter is HD content is going to take several years to take off because ppl are happy with their DVD's and until the studios force everyone to downgrade to hobbled by DRM equipment with the introduction of digital switch overs, only selling TV screens with HDCP HDMI DRM, slowly releasing major titles on Blu-Ray only and constantly marketing Blu-Ray as a lifestyle choice, and you can only aspire to own Blu-Ray if you finances are to a point that you can boast your riches to everyone else, it's a movie player nothing more.
What will stifle the uptake of Blu-Ray will be the constant rubbish Hollywood (MPAA) constantly churn out, last year there were a handful of titles actually bothering to watch/own. Stories, characters and relationships in movies have been replaced with special effects so at least the suck ass film will look good eh!
a dvd on release in the first week sells in excess of 9million copies in the UK alone, how well is Blu-Ray doing?
I Am Legend, even though it was total rubbish aimed at 13year old boys that totally missed Matheson's excellent work and was reliant on special effects sold in excess of $20million in the first week of release on dvd, and sold almost 3/4 of a million copies. how many were sold on Blu-Ray, how well is Blu-Ray doing, lmao?
if constantly insulting myself is they only way to prove a point it is becoming very pathetic nextgen!
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I really hate to beat a dead horse...but...
I'm not going to argue with you on the closed communities that you stated. But there has to be a balance somewhere, and you don't seem to find the middle ground. You seem to fail to realize (or just refuse to acknowledge) that there are private HD only trackers that are getting huge memberships. Maybe some of the people on those trackers you mentioned also have memberships to HD trackers, and dl from there because they have rules that appeal to them more (Heck, I'm not going to dl a game from TL if I'm on Blackcats). Or maybe they don't download their HD content from these closed communities because they also dl from warez (save their ratio on their tracker to get other specialized content that may not be available elsewhere), which is another issue I have with your statements. You seem to not want to address the exponential growth of HD content of warez sites, or even newsgroups. Maybe all the people you are looking for on these trackers are a little smarter than you give them credit for and found other means to grab what they want. And they don't even have to share it. Not everyone shops at just one store for the rest of their lives. My wife only goes to Shop Rite when their sales are better than A&P. A&P has better produce in this area......get my point?
No disrespect meant. Just trying to find a balance. You've got a lot of knowledge on the subject, but your posts seem extremely one-sided for the most part.
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its obvious that their is an uptake of HD material, but its not to the extent that the news stories and spin would have ppl believe, which is my point, a few million sales compared to sales of dvd's clearly shows this.
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Actually the small numbers of downloads isn't because of the file size. People are well used to downloading 4-8 gig files in dvd-r format.
It's more the fact that to burn these blu disks costs a small fortune @ £10 per blank, plus a very expensive burner. If you want to run it from your pc to your tv it's a £20 wire and a £150 graphics card... even if the rest of your hardware can cope.
Going HD is a £2000 game.. and most people don't have that kind of money to throw around on a whim with real inflation (not the cooked up BS the government spew out) running at 30%
It's just too damn expensive for 95% of the population who are doing what everybody does during a credit squeeze.. They hold on to their cash for the more important things.. like heat and lights and food and keeping a roof over their heads.
The broadcasters hold the key to HD success.... and they are reducing quality in favour of quantity. 480x320 xvids look bloody awful even on a close on 20 year old 22" crt. That's what the cable companies think is acceptable.
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Originally posted by varnull:
The broadcasters hold the key to HD success.... and they are reducing quality in favour of quantity. 480x320 xvids look bloody awful even on a close on 20 year old 22" crt. That's what the cable companies think is acceptable.
i fully agree with you regarding the UK where ofcom has just announced that there will only ever be 4 channels via freeview in the UK transmitted in mpeg4 because of the bandwidth and the other channels will have to figh over the remaing space with a lesser codec, but this is not going to happen until 2012 and even then you are going to have to purchase your hardware again because of the broadcast flag DRM, all thanks to the MPAA.
In the US its a little different as they have many HD channels via cable but at a premium cost.
American Studios' Secret Plan to Lock Down European TV Devices
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Hollywood's desire to force DRM on TV fans doesn't stop at the U.S. border -- an international consortium of television and technology companies is devising draconian anti-consumer restrictions for the next generation of TVs in Europe and beyond, at the behest of American entertainment giants.
in response to the cost element varnull, all you will get is sony bloggers stating "if you cant afford it" nonsense as you have to remember they are selling a "lifestyle", if you don't own a Blu-Ray you are living in the dark ages and are obviosly living on the streets eating out of dustcarts. The marketing and sales employ the same anti-consumer selling/marketing speak as time share salesmen and want to convince ppl that you can afford one or you are poor if you don't have one!
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Originally posted by juankerr:
1% to 5%.
That's progress right there.
Here's another sign of progress.
A Blu_Ray cosmetics and makeup line from Cargo - for high def video/photo shoots:
http://gizmodo.com/355076/blu_ray-the-makeup
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Blu_ray, the Makeup
Making your face presentable for high definition is tough, which is why the makeup brand Cargo is carrying a "blu_ray" brand makeup?trademarked, no less?that's supposed to cover up any Cameron Diaz-level skin problems
;)
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yeah and i'm sure Sweaty Betty looks great to!
Originally posted by the macc lads:
She wore big knickers and she worked at the sewage farm.
Got my hands down her jeans and I nearly lost half my arm.
But after ten pints, she looked quite fit,
Couldn't wait to get my hands on her flabby tits.
Slap that and ride the ripples, just got to get my gob round her greasy nipples.
Flabby arse, sweaty breasts, thirty eight chins, she was a mound of flesh.
Sweaty Betty, she eats a lot of pies,
Sweaty Betty, she's got enormous thighs,
Sweaty Betty, have you smelled her breath?
Sweaty Betty, she'd crush a man to death.
I knew that she wanted me to shag her, so I stabbed her cunt with my mutton dagger.
I couldn't believe the size of her bum,
She used to play for Wigan at the back of the scrum.
I've seen nowt like it since the day I was born,
But you know me, I'll shag owt that's warm.
Sweaty Betty, she eats a lot of chips,
Sweaty Betty, she's got massive tits,
Sweaty Betty, she's got a huge vagina,
Sweaty Betty, you'd fit a bus inside her,
She's so obscene, three tons of margarine,
She's like a lump of lard
But Sweaty Betty makes my willy hard.
and who exactly stated that these Blu-Ray's were purchased, every Blu-Ray given away, or in a bogof, or any other free offer are also counted towards total sales, this is only one of the ways that the data is manipulated by the PR and marketing scum bags.
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wow, so much of this is so over my head, but still damn intersting, but I do have a question, knowing absolutly nothing about these torrent things but has cought my attention, how would you guys compare watching a so called torrent or whatever other type site that you can copy HD or bluray contact compares in quality versus watching a bluray disc on a standalone.
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Originally posted by FredBun:
wow, so much of this is so over my head, but still damn intersting, but I do have a question, knowing absolutly nothing about these torrent things but has cought my attention, how would you guys compare watching a so called torrent or whatever other type site that you can copy HD or bluray contact compares in quality versus watching a bluray disc on a standalone.
it would depend on the codec used to rip the movie if it was a 100% image it would be an exact replica of the original movie. your pc spec also need to be able to cope.
imho, divx, xvid sux and is not needed now we have lost 56k dial up nearly everywhere.
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Originally posted by FredBun:
wow, so much of this is so over my head, but still damn intersting, but I do have a question, knowing absolutly nothing about these torrent things but has cought my attention, how would you guys compare watching a so called torrent or whatever other type site that you can copy HD or bluray contact compares in quality versus watching a bluray disc on a standalone.
it would depend on the codec used to rip the movie if it was a 100% image it would be an exact replica of the original movie. your pc spec also need to be able to cope.
imho, divx, xvid sux and is not needed now we have lost 56k dial up nearly everywhere.
I disagree I want 25 25min eps to fit on 1 dvd5 dangit :P
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Originally posted by FredBun:
wow, so much of this is so over my head, but still damn intersting, but I do have a question, knowing absolutly nothing about these torrent things but has cought my attention, how would you guys compare watching a so called torrent or whatever other type site that you can copy HD or bluray contact compares in quality versus watching a bluray disc on a standalone.
it would depend on the codec used to rip the movie if it was a 100% image it would be an exact replica of the original movie. your pc spec also need to be able to cope.
imho, divx, xvid sux and is not needed now we have lost 56k dial up nearly everywhere.
I disagree I want 25 25min eps to fit on 1 dvd5 dangit :P
Here here! Divx, xvids, will still reign in my house until every TV I own is HD.
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Until DVD9 is as cheap as DVD5 at least :P
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emugamer
Until DVD9 is as cheap as DVD5 at least :P
lol, I stopped holding my breath on that one.
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Until DVD9 is as cheap as DVD5 at least :P
lol, I stopped holding my breath on that one.
but, but, but ..... didn't you know that blu-ray is the future and will obviously be cheaper than dvd's!
drm-ray, what a completely pointless and overpriced format that the MPAA have chosen for us because of the extra level of DRM over HD-DvD and of course blu-ray comes complete with region coding, yippee global price fixing DRM to.
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