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Oasis guitarist blames video games for London knife crimes
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article published on 5 July, 2008
Noel Gallagher, songwriter and guitarist for the popular band Oasis is making headlines with his comments suggesting that videogames are partially to blame for the explosion in knife crimes that have occurred in London over the course of the year. So far, 18 teenagers have died in knife related attacks.
"People say it's through violent video games and I guess that's got something to ... [ read the full article ]
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6. July 2008 @ 13:13 |
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Originally posted by mostopher:
Ok, I'm confused, of course kids need to be taught to fear dangerous things. When I said fear has no place in the home I was refering to smacking.
Children should be a blessing not a burden, I was brought up in a loving family without being smacked. I don't consider myself a failure, I have two brilliant boys and a wonderful fiancee, I have a good job and was never under the impression that I would get that any other way than hard work. I also was never under the impression that the world was a walt disney cartoon. I failed many times and each time got back up. I'm still young and have been through quite a lot and still have quite a lot of living and learning to go through. You can teach kids life lessons without resorting to violence, I'm proof of that if nothing else!
Not the point its used to jolt reality into a kids life it works for some not so much for others but its a reasonable parenting tool thats been used for thousands of years, kids are going to fear many of things a respectful fear of authority is not going to warp them, if you are skilled(mental fear/mental games) and lucky enough(mostly lucky) you can make do without it but in the end thats up to the parents to decide.
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6. July 2008 @ 14:22 |
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Originally posted by mostopher:
Ok, I'm confused, of course kids need to be taught to fear dangerous things. When I said fear has no place in the home I was refering to smacking.
Children should be a blessing not a burden, I was brought up in a loving family without being smacked. I don't consider myself a failure, I have two brilliant boys and a wonderful fiancee, I have a good job and was never under the impression that I would get that any other way than hard work. I also was never under the impression that the world was a walt disney cartoon. I failed many times and each time got back up. I'm still young and have been through quite a lot and still have quite a lot of living and learning to go through. You can teach kids life lessons without resorting to violence, I'm proof of that if nothing else!
See Some people just don't learn until you do get violent, there are those you can talk to, and those you cant. ever try to ride a bike remember how many times, you fell of remember the pain of falling of.
or perhaps its something you cant remember, like your first time trying to walk, your body and mind learn from pain you learned to walk by the pain of falling.
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6. July 2008 @ 15:15 |
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I would disagree about it being a reasonable parenting tool (to me nothing violent can ever be reasonable) Some people may see it as necessary maybe, but never reasonable. Tell me how is it good to teach a child that it's ok to use violence as long as you believe you're right? The ultimate
You may learn to walk/bike (and a great many other things besides) through pain but I see no connection between that and learning to fear your parents through smacking. I don't remember the feeling of pain from falling off my bike but I do remember the sense of achievment I got when I finally learned how to stay on.
I guess we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. Let me just say I'm not saying smacking should be banned nor do I hate people who smack, just that it's not something I agree with or would ever do to my children.
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6. July 2008 @ 15:51 |
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Another outrageous claim by a pampered celebrity...and i use that term loosely.
One would have to provide a pretty intense proof...not (educated?) guessing to sway my stance here; and that is that there is little link between video games and real life violence. To me it's the same argument that watching Looney Tunes might convince someone to think that hitting someone else with an oversized mallet may create little stars and birds around their cross-eyed head.
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6. July 2008 @ 16:59 |
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Video games are the reason for global warming, for oil crisis, for people dieing in africa cause the dont even have water to drink and more .....(sarcasm)
But what he forgot to "blame" video games for, is that by accusing video games you can become a celebrity instantly and be resurrected from the dead.
As the title says "Oasis guitarist", not "Noel Gallagher", for me that says a lot.
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6. July 2008 @ 22:35 |
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I say ban those First Person Knifers!
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7. July 2008 @ 11:53 |
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Smoking weed does not cause people to go around knifing people. But it does put you in a dreamland state. There are a ton of people out there that play games and smoke weed all day, and that kind of repetition puts people at risk. as far as Oasis, I love all their music, have seen them several times, and can't wait for their new album coming up soon. the leaked tracks are great.
It seems that all the popular games out there are first person shooters. I have this idea that we are just training the youth to become future soldiers.
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7. July 2008 @ 12:22 |
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Originally posted by c1c:
Smoking weed does not cause people to go around knifing people. But it does put you in a dreamland state. There are a ton of people out there that play games and smoke weed all day, and that kind of repetition puts people at risk. as far as Oasis, I love all their music, have seen them several times, and can't wait for their new album coming up soon. the leaked tracks are great.
It seems that all the popular games out there are first person shooters. I have this idea that we are just training the youth to become future soldiers.
yeah you never know when those alien are going to attack,and when i join the army i better have a crosshair on my screen, when i use my iron sight im going to put the gun on my chest that way i can look strait down them. if you play a game thinking it will prepare you for combat situation i feel sorry for you, just like Gene Simmons a couple of weeks ago this guy just wants to rally up the ant hill.
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7. July 2008 @ 13:04 |
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Oh for the love of god, what the world is coming to... First off, sorry to hear about the knife incidents in UK, really sorry. Secondly, what the heck with those knives? Knives are for cooking really, so why the hell people carrying a kitchen tool with them, i would never know... You can argue knives are for hunting too, but face it, it's still really related to cooking. Lastly, no, video games don't make people start carrying knives and stab/slash people. You know what make them do that? The rage virus... I'm very interested to see what will happen in 28 months later. There's probably nothing to see 28 years later, since video game kills everything in this world by then, lol.
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7. July 2008 @ 15:17 |
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Here is my theory to the explosion of knife crimes:
Stupidity
People who commit these knife crimes are stupid beyond belief. Mix in drugs and their stupidity level goes through the roof.
Lots of people play video games, violent or otherwise, but they're not stupid or crazy enough to run around knifing people.
I say throw them all into the deepest hole, they provide absolutely no value in society.
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ikari
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7. July 2008 @ 18:00 |
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Originally posted by mostopher:
Ok, I'm confused, of course kids need to be taught to fear dangerous things. When I said fear has no place in the home I was refering to smacking.
Children should be a blessing not a burden, I was brought up in a loving family without being smacked. I don't consider myself a failure, I have two brilliant boys and a wonderful fiancee, I have a good job and was never under the impression that I would get that any other way than hard work. I also was never under the impression that the world was a walt disney cartoon. I failed many times and each time got back up. I'm still young and have been through quite a lot and still have quite a lot of living and learning to go through. You can teach kids life lessons without resorting to violence, I'm proof of that if nothing else!
My parents spanked me when I did something wrong. They love me a lot. There is nothing wrong with it as long as it is not abuse. It is a fine line but it is there.
Also, remember that just because we have reason and logic, it does not mean that we animalistic instincts either. That being said, pain when used correctly is a good teacher.
Example: you tell a child something is hot when they try to touch it. Depending on the age they might leave it alone, they might not. I guarantee you, that if they touch it after you say, "it is hot don't touch it", they aren't going to again.
These opinions are not meant to start a stupid fanboy fight or any kind of fight for that matter.
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9. July 2008 @ 17:01 |
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There may be some minor relevance to Noel's statement;
If you have the mentality to toke the "Super"Skunk and go around stabbing people you are a deranged twisted being. OK the only relevance I'll give it is that it shows the difference between violence in Europe -vs- USA... Here in the US we smoke crack and cap fools... Blame it on the games, music, books, distractions, etc. When is the responsibility going to fall on the parents or the corrupt political/judicial system?
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9. July 2008 @ 17:06 |
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Originally posted by G_Hubcap:
There may be some minor relevance to Noel's statement;
If you have the mentality to toke the "Super"Skunk and go around stabbing people you are a deranged twisted being. OK the only relevance I'll give it is that it shows the difference between violence in Europe -vs- USA... Here in the US we smoke crack and cap fools... Blame it on the games, music, books, distractions, etc. When is the responsibility going to fall on the parents or the corrupt political/judicial system?
corrupt political/judicial system is one fassect of it having wild immature people as part o the populace running around thinking they stuck in repetitive cycles is another, jobs and EDU is a main factor if we ahda system that could provide jobs and schooling to everyone to keep them busy and somewhat satisfied with life, they would not fall into these sub cultures of hate and sorrow.
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14. July 2008 @ 09:36 |
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thank god you guys dont have to deal with a huge gun problem like us in the states, killing is killing no matter how, but I's rather have your problem than ours if I had to choose.
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