Blu-ray set-top sales to explode over next 4 years, says report
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article published on 12 October, 2008
According to a new report by Parks Associates, worldwide Blu-ray set-top player sales will outpace most other consumer electronics items (including HDTVs) over the next four years as HD machines see more widespread adoption.
Kurt Scherf, principal analyst for Parks Associates, added that Blu-ray player sales will total 5 million globally this year (excluding the Sony PlayStation 3), up ... [ read the full article ]
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13. October 2008 @ 13:43 |
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Some more info about BD sales in comparison to DVD ~ Xbox 360 head Greenberg actually wrong - BD doing just fine
Quote: Recently, Xbox 360 product manager, Aaron Greenberg, indicated in an interview that the Blu-ray is not the future. He also goes on to take stabs at Sony for some of its decisions regarding the PS3.
Greenberg stated in an interview with Major Nelson, that the Blu-ray is no DVD. He also indicated that the Blu-ray format could be the next UMD. I assume he is attempting to correlate UMD as a failed format for movies. An odd comparison considering that the UMD is a Sony PSP only format. I assume you could also say then, that the Nintendo DS cartridges is a failed format as well.
Greenberg said:
?We have no plans to integrate Blu-ray into the Xbox experience, ..We believe that we shouldn?t force consumers to pay for things they don?t want. We also believe that the future?s digital, and that?s why we?ve invested in a massive library of entertainment content.?
This supports my recent story detailing how Microsoft?s nickel and dime business practice is financially savvier than Sony?s model. However, the part about offering consumers more options probably wasn?t what Microsoft had in mind as Peter Moore recently confirmed that the decision to release an Xbox 360 model with no hard drive was based on the extreme desire to bring the Xbox division into the black.
He also said:
?No one knows what Blu-ray will be. It?s pretty clear it is not the next DVD, right? The days of one physical format being the standard are gone? Let?s say right now we?re not sure if it?s the next UMD or the next DVD.?
Apparently, analysts and vendors are stating that Blu-ray is definitely no DVD; in fact according to them it is actually doing much better than the DVD did back 11 years ago. Analysts report from Format War Central, that the Blu-ray format has picked up 145.68% week over week with the release of Iron Man which took a huge 17% of total movie disc sales.
Reuters also reported that optical equipment parts manufacturer, Singulus Technologies, estimated that the Blu-ray format acceptance is much greater then that of the DVD 11 years ago. Singulus also stated that the demand for Blu-ray is about two times more than what then that of the DVD 11 years ago.
I suppose the Blu-ray acceptance rate doesn?t translate well to our Internet induced ADD mentality. In an ever increasing connected world, consumers want instant gratification and action. Only time will tell how successful Blu-ray will be. However, with the US switching to HD sometime in 2009, Blu-ray?s success seems inevitable.
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OMG here comes the VHS, DVD comparison again.
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VHS was not digital quality, vhs did not have instant search scan, vhs stretched over time, vhs was effected by magnetism over time.
blu-ray vs dvd difference = 4.7gb to 50gb nothing more!
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13. October 2008 @ 13:45 |
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The funny thing is my point is substantiated with FACTS ~ cold hard numbers. Yours - not so much = opinion & pov.
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I didn't say anything except why I am not buying.
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Originally posted by varnull: I didn't say anything except why I am not buying.
I'm sure ever 10 years there is a new crowd of unsuspecting youth just ripe to be ripped off with the likes of double dipping ect!
A new mug around every corner is what globalisation is about.
I agree though Jan what a waste of money in the current climate, surley food, clothes, electric ect are going to be more important over the next few years. all this announcement is about is building confidence and suckering in the sheep to make them believe that you "need" a blu-ray player or you just ain't alive, SAD AND TRANSPARENT...
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13. October 2008 @ 14:46 |
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This is a site that reports on Technology. Something that you seam to want nothing to do with. Please do nothing, including stirring up crap. It appears that you think that they should report on (surley food, clothes, electric ect are going to be more important over the next few years).
blu-ray vs dvd difference = 4.7gb to 50gb nothing more!
Only a Blind man could not see the difference in that.
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Originally posted by glassd: This is a site that reports on Technology. Something that you seam to want nothing to do with. Please do nothing, including stirring up crap. It appears that you think that they should report on (surley food, clothes, electric ect are going to be more important over the next few years).
blu-ray vs dvd difference = 4.7gb to 50gb nothing more!
Only a Blind man could not see the difference in that.
ok then i suppose it's not possible to store a 1080 video on dvd because dvd is not capable of Hi-Def.....
The only advantage Blu-Ray has over dvd is, wait for it, its coming, LARGER STORAGE CAPACITY!
And that quote you just took was in reference to other Afterdawn members trying to make a comparison between VHS and DVD as to why blu-ray will succeed in this dire climate, because the only difference between them two formats (vhs and dvd) was storage capacity the same as dvd and blu-ray yes? just wrap that last line up in sarcasm tags!
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the only advantage Blu-Ray has over dvd is, wait for it, its coming, LARGER STORAGE CAPACITY!
If ignorance is bliss. You are turning cart wheels with a big goofy smile on your face right now.
Here is some differences for you. Dont know how it will show up. If you would ever like to learn something about Blu-Ray. Just ask, since you dont know.
Parameters
Blu-ray DVD
Storage capacity 25GB (single-layer)
50GB (dual-layer)
4.7GB (single-layer)
8.5GB (dual-layer)
Laser wavelength 405nm (blue laser) 650nm (red laser)
Numerical aperture (NA) 0.85 0.60
Disc diameter
Disc thickness
120mm
1.2mm
120mm
1.2mm
Protection layer
Hard coating
0.1mm
Yes
0.6mm
No
Track pitch
0.32µm
0.74µm
Data transfer rate (data)
Data transfer rate (video/audio)
36.0Mbps (1x)
54.0Mbps (1.5x)
11.08Mbps (1x)
10.08Mbps (<1x)
Video resolution (max)
Video bit rate (max)
1920×1080 (1080p)
40.0Mbps
720×480/720×576 (480i/576i)
9.8Mbps
Video codecs MPEG-2
MPEG-4 AVC
SMPTE VC-1
MPEG-2
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Audio codecs Linear PCM
Dolby Digital
Dolby Digital Plus
Dolby TrueHD
DTS Digital Surround
hd.cfm" class="forum_link" target="_blank">DTS-HD
Linear PCM
Dolby Digital
DTS Digital Surround
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Interactivity
BD-J
DVD-Video
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13. October 2008 @ 15:25 |
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Right now Blu-ray has a couple of problems completely unlike anything DVD faced.
First of all - and this is something many devotees will rarely if ever admit - a lot of high def really doesn't impress too much.
I have 170 high def movies on HD DVD & Blu-ray and I am sorry to say that the real genuine stunners are fairly few and far between.
Admittedly I don't have a 1080p/24 screen over 52" but then neither do most and nor will most be likely to.
Secondly, and probably most importantly, the coming economic slump that's uniquely also coming with a credit crunch.
Everyone's news is full of banking collapses and part nationalisations and our Govs throwing vast sums around. This is not some small inconsequential stuff this is really big stuff & set to remain a really big part of the western economic landscape for years to come.
Money is going to be tight and business activity is set to contract severely and many expect this to be for a prolonged period.
That's not an environment to be expecting a mass-adoption of a comparatively expensive video format that only offers an incremental improvement over the upscaled DVD that has only just been on the market (with all the 'HD' & '1080p' marketing) itself.
This is particularly so when some of that incremental improvement that Blu-ray can offer (the audio part) requires yet more expense in a set of new audio kit to hear (and that's pretty expensive stuff to do properly too).
It's also worth pointing out that claims about Iron Man taking 17% of sales (which when all is said & done is still just 1 movie posting a small minority stake in just 1 week) they are not comparing like with like.
DVD is a mature market.
Many DVD buyers wait and do not buy at launch & wait the few weeks or even months until prices plummet.
Blu-ray by contrast as an early adopters format has an in-built bias for higher earnings as early adopters tend to buy more titles at launch.
The Nielson numbers reflect the top 20 earners in any one week but of course DVD (with 90,000+ titles already) is much more than that.
DVD sells almost 1.7 billion discs in the USA p.a.
http://www.dvdinformation.com/industryData/index.cfm
DVD sells over 7 billion discs worldwide.
http://www.contentdeliveryandstorage.org..._worldwide.html
The facts are that Blu-ray does not even capture a true 1% of DVD's sales numbers.
All that 8%, 10%, 12% or even 17% is patently just statistical game-playing to talk up the format.
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13. October 2008 @ 19:43 |
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Originally posted by juankerr: Originally posted by eatsushi: How about a Samsung 1500 (now BD-Live with the firmware update) for $149 on Black Friday?
Samsung BluRay Player to hit $149 on Black Friday
...or you can choose to buy it now from amazon, Best Buy or Circuit City (among others) and get the 10-disc box set of The Ultimate Matrix Collection for free. The MSRP on the box set alone is $130 so you can figure out if it's worth it to you.
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-BD-P1500-1...&sr=1-2
Not a bad deal for a BD-Live machine.
Current amazon price for the Samsung 1500 = $227
Current amazon price for the Matrix Box Set = $75
$227 - $75 = $152
If you don't like the movies you can e-bay the box set for $50 - $70 and you still get a good deal.
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Quote:
Originally posted by NexGen76: Who needs a loan for a 200 BD player.
Quote: - Who says everyone is going to rush to buy the cheapest (but still relatively expansive) no-name players?
$200 is just not cheap enough.
HD DVD only really starting moving when prices hit $99.
No its not enought and Blu-ray players are $300 not $200.
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Originally posted by 13thHouR: WARNING SONY EMPLOYEES INVADING AFTERDAW
ROFLMFAO! If you ACTUALLY beleive that! If anything it's the other way around WARNING! OMG, here comes the paranoid, biased, M$ employee invading Afterdawn! but keep instigating with your slights, insults and misinformation about members & staff. Believe me you won't get very far.
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Originally posted by Interestx: ....is patently just statistical game-playing to talk up the format.
So Nielson, Reuters and other note worthy news & informational sites don't know what they are talking about...but random forum posters hold more weight? Sorry, but I find that very hard to beleive.
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Originally posted by hulud86: Blu-ray players are $300 not $200.
People just posted links to a $227 BD player along with a $149 one on Black Friday...how can you say they are $300?!?!
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Originally posted by Oner: So Nielson, Reuters and other note worthy news & informational sites don't know what they are talking about
No, I did not say 'they didn't know what they were talking about'.
I said their weekly sales stats are heavily biased & cherry-picked to reflect well in Blu-ray's favour (they only concentrate on the weekly top 20 earning discs).
It's merely a case of 'the answer is heavily dependant on the question(s) asked', as every good spin-doctor knows perfectly.
That's why they do not release weekly sales numbers by units sold and neither do they offer us any kind of annual comparison of sales, those sorts of numbers would show the weak Blu-ray sales up for they low numbers that they are, particularly when contrasted with DVD's sales numbers.
One has to ask just what they BDA have to be afraid of otherwise; it's not like they have a direct competitor (which HD DVD was) anymore to be keeping secrets from.
As I mentioned earlier the facts are that DVD sells almost 1.7 billion discs in the USA p.a. alone
http://www.dvdinformation.com/industryData/index.cfm
DVD also sells over 7 billion discs worldwide.
http://www.contentdeliveryandstorage.org..._worldwide.html
Blu-ray does not even capture a true 1% of DVD's sales numbers annually - and even if they double last years sales numbers this year that's still not a true 2%.
So it's obvious that the weekly claims of 8%, 10%, 12% or even 17% are clearly just statistical game-playing - and very obviously done to try to talk up the format.
But as I said, all this arguing is now immaterial.
The economic outlook is what really matters now and the next 6mths will see a recession gather pace coupled with a credit crunch squeezing consumers (globally) and resulting in less CE goods sold.
Blu-ray being a fledgling but relatively expensive product is simply not favourably placed to break into the mass-market in those circumstances.
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I understand what you where getting at, I just find it odd that the point of reference using your own link shows early sales of DVD where @ 5.5 million in 97 & 30.6 million in 98 and BD sales are tracking even/equal to (actually surpassing) DVD sales in comparison/adoption rate. So while I do agree the fact that BD is absolutely nothing in terms of overall sales to DVD currently (I have never contested that) the comparison is more than just "day to date one versus the other".
Contrary to what others will say & beleive about me I do not think BD will be the next DVD. More like an addition to medium distribution, kinda how DVD-A & Ipods haven't stopped CD player sales etc.
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Originally posted by Oner: I understand what you where getting at, I just find it odd that the point of reference using your own link shows early sales of DVD where @ 5.5 million in 97 & 30.6 million in 98 and BD sales are tracking even/equal to (actually surpassing) DVD sales in comparison/adoption rate. So while I do agree the fact that BD is absolutely nothing in terms of overall sales to DVD currently (I have never contested that) the comparison is more than just "day to date one versus the other".
Contrary to what others will say & beleive about me I do not think BD will be the next DVD. More like an addition to medium distribution, kinda how DVD-A & Ipods haven't stopped CD player sales etc.
DVD-A is near dead (and so is SACD)
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After all the smoke, whines, pleas, arguments, and statistics are over, peeps buy what they think they need and can AFFORD. High end tech doesn't cut it as a reason for the majority. From VHS to DVD was like from Winky Dink (Google it! lol!)screen to grandad's new color TV. Choosing sides has no effect on the outcome. Just more hot air in both directions. I chose a larger CRT unit and DVD-VHS-DIVX player. An HD $40 government off converter. Yes, I'm cheap...and do not have deep pockets nor the desire to be the biggest, baddest, best, most expensive on the block. Pixels per dollar, that is what it is. Ya gotta EAT!
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(I fully expect someone to present a nice graphic on how I would be better off with BD....but return on investment is what peeps with heaps of money concern themselves about. The rest of us get by!)
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Originally posted by iluvendo: DVD-A is near dead (and so is SACD)
no one gave a dam about the format because both the media, and the players were too expensive to justify the small increase in quality that an average consumer just wouldn't care about. much the same as blu-ray with it's era defining audio, over current DTS and other formats that can be stored on DVD discs. Blu-Ray is superior to DVD but is it worth it, NO, is it likely to take off in 4 years, not unless studios force us to adopt their Orwellian DRM format by stopping DVD releases, as to the average person it's not worth it.
@ Oner go pick a fight with someone else get off my back.
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Originally posted by 13thHouR: @ Oner go pick a fight with someone else get off my back.
You SERIOUSLY need to take your own advice as you where the only one instigating a problem (as usual).
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Originally posted by Oner: Originally posted by Interestx: ....is patently just statistical game-playing to talk up the format.
So Nielson, Reuters and other note worthy news & informational sites don't know what they are talking about...but random forum posters hold more weight? Sorry, but I find that very hard to beleive.
Guess which numbers the studios (and the industry in general) pay attention to week after week.
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Here is an interesting quote, on this topic!
Blu-Ray hits the skids, numbers continue to decline Quote: September 23, 2008
One of the driving forces behind Sony's plan for the PS3, Blu-Ray, is showing signs of decline.
The cause could be a variety of factors, from the failing economy to the summer gaming doldrums, but the effect is clear: Blu-Ray as a media format is in decline.
The news has to be worrisome for Sony, whose PlayStation 3 console has the Blu-Ray disc format as a cornerstone of its strategy to get a multi-purpose gaming and media hub into homes the world over.
In response to the sluggish sales, Sony even went so far as to drastically slash its Blu-Ray player prices to the magic $200 mark, a la Microsoft with the Xbox 360, with other models going for as low as $250 as of this writing. Tech blog Engadget called the new price points "unquestionably delectable," but another observer at the Industry Standard said the cuts and a number of other indicators betray the fact that conditions may not be so rosy.
For example, in the latest Wired magazine, Sony and Microsoft went so far as to include a free Blu-Ray disc, the seven part film noir flick Coma, as part of a full page insert.
"I don't know how much this is costing Sony and its partners, but it can't be cheap -- Wired's paid circulation is 706,494, and this press release indicates that other magazines may be involved," wrote Industry Standard writer Ian Lamont.
Sony is betting the price cuts (and the PS3) will bolster Blu-Ray in time for the winter holiday, but Lamont is wary--especially as more and more consumers turn to the Internet and services like iTunes for their HD content.
"Sony better hope that mainstream consumers feel the same way [about the price cuts], or the company risks another weak Christmas for Blu-ray this year -- and losing out in an even bigger way when consumers begin to turn to the Internet for their HD content," he said.
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Not that interesting. An opinion from a gamming site in September.
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