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Dvd Shrink, Nero 9 Questions/Problems
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8. November 2008 @ 17:59 |
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Originally posted by born2ride:
7thsinger
I thought you would have some elaborate answer.. hehehe..
I still fight with imgburn if i use it by itself..
Nero likes me for now!!
Sorry to disappoint...hehe.
So the expound on my original answer.
1. Imgburn is far less bloated. (that bloaty interface of Nero accomplishes zero when it comes to the actual burning.)
2. Imgburn is more stable, something that Nero hasn't accomplished since version 7, IMHO.
3. There's no compatibility issues with programs like Dvd Shrink with Imgburn.
4. Imgburn's support forum is great. Many questions being answered by LUK himself.
5. Freeware vs. payware.
6. For DL burning, Imgburn is far superior when it comes to layer break.
Hope that's a bit more informative.
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PacMan777
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10. November 2008 @ 22:51 |
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Originally posted by born2ride:
7thsinger
I thought you would have some elaborate answer.. hehehe..
I still fight with imgburn if i use it by itself..
Nero likes me for now!!
What's to fight? It's pretty much files in, files burned. When burning DL let ImgBurn calculate the break.
Originally posted by 7thsinger:
... 3. There's no compatibility issues with programs like Dvd Shrink with Imgburn...
There is no more compatibility issue with Nero than any other burner program not supported by Shrink. That would be like saying Shrink has compatibility issues with Sonic. It may seem so with Nero because Shrink supported the use of Nero for so long. Nero changed some of the language in their program (version 8 and up) making it unusable as a supported burner for burning automatically. It is the responsibility of the author of Shrink to update the program to work with supported burners that aren't an integral part of his program. Last I heard was no more updates. The Shrink users can still burn manually with the newer versions of Nero, the same as they can with a number of burning programs not supported by Shrink for autoburning. Currrently the supported burning programs are Nero (below version 8), DVDCopy from VSO, DVD Decrypter, and ImgBurn (when the exe is changed or ImgBurn is renamed).
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11. November 2008 @ 13:41 |
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PacMan777
What new? My troubles started back with dvd decrypter then the dislike carried into imgburn..I do love freeware....
You all say its an easy app to use. I tell you it push my buttons!!!
Its has to be atleast a year since I tryed to use it last.
One click apps are great for guys like me..
To be fair I will go home tonight open minded and use imgburn!!
I will update you on how it goes.LOL
I will have to find my guide links
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11. November 2008 @ 14:45 |
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Originally posted by PacMan777
There is no more compatibility issue with Nero than any other burner program not supported by Shrink. That would be like saying Shrink has compatibility issues with Sonic. It may seem so with Nero because Shrink supported the use of Nero for so long. Nero changed some of the language in their program (version 8 and up) making it unusable as a supported burner for burning automatically. It is the responsibility of the author of Shrink to update the program to work with supported burners that aren't an integral part of his program. Last I heard was no more updates. The Shrink users can still burn manually with the newer versions of Nero, the same as they can with a number of burning programs not supported by Shrink for autoburning. Currrently the supported burning programs are Nero (below version 8), DVDCopy from VSO, DVD Decrypter, and ImgBurn (when the exe is changed or ImgBurn is renamed).[/quote:
I guess my take on it was that Nero made the changes they made to bump their paying customers to use Recode as opposed to Shrink; unless of course they want to burn manually as you stated.
@born2ride
What kind of problems are you having/have you had with Imgburn.
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11. November 2008 @ 14:52 |
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7thsinger
I dont fully remember. I know it was loading the files and something with the calculator.
I will try tonight and post! Maybe time away has solved it..LOL
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12. November 2008 @ 09:38 |
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born2ride
I thought the calculator was only needed for doing dual layer burns. I've found it the best available for setting the layer break. That's in the Build mode. Build is also for creating an ISO (from Video_TS files) for ImgBurn to record. If you output in ISO for DVD5, you use the Write mode (and the Build mode and Calculator don't come into play).
7thsinger
A lot of us suspect Nero changed their program to prevent use with Shrink. As one of their reps pointed out, they're not responsible for outside programs. They had the right to change Nero any way they wanted. If a user has Nero with Recode, there's really no need for Shrink. Having to use external programs for bypassing protections and cleaning the files and then another for burning, I decided a while back I might as well use Rebuilder. Shrink only comes into play when I'm checking files or using RI4M. I burn batches with Express and if I'm doing only one video I use ImgBurn as a supported burner for the autoburn feature.
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12. November 2008 @ 15:59 |
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You can add me to that list of the suspicious. I haven't played around too much with Recode. I've very recently started using DvdRB for everything, so i'm not using Shrink as much these days either.
Eventually, i will play around a little more with Recode.
I use Imgburn for almost all of my burns, and that's not limited to movies. Occassionally i'll VSO with DvdFab, but not too terribly often. The few times i have used it, i've been pretty pleased with the outcome.
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12. November 2008 @ 19:51 |
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I use recode quite often.Shrink is 2nd then dvdclone..
I have noticed nero seems to use a good amount of resources. rebuilder is next on my list..
I was under the impression dvdrebuilder was much better than shrink and recode..
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12. November 2008 @ 22:07 |
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Originally posted by born2ride:
I was under the impression dvdrebuilder was much better than shrink and recode..
It is. DvdRB produces better quality than Shrink/Recode.
Basically it's the difference between Transcoding which is removing enough of the information to make it fit on a smaller disc, as opposed to Encoding which is re-doing the movie in an appropriate file size as intended. Encoding takes more time but produces better results. I'm sold on DvdRB.
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13. November 2008 @ 12:13 |
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which version are you using?Can you provide a link?
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13. November 2008 @ 12:33 |
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13. November 2008 @ 12:53 |
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13. November 2008 @ 14:18 |
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The link you've got is the recent version; i just did a quick search here first. :)
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13. November 2008 @ 15:09 |
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What also confused me was that it stated pro.. i will DL an give it a try.
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13. November 2008 @ 16:35 |
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Pro is the retail version which has more bells and whistles. I've had Pro for so long, I'm not sure exactly what the differences are between it and the free version are now. Whenever Jdobbs updates Pro owners get an email notice. Most of the more recent updates have only been for obscure fine tuning. It's an excellent program and the price is definitely good for what you get. The Basic CCE is a good choice for a retail encoder to go with it. A friend sold me SP at a reasonable price, so I have a more high end setup. CCE SP is no longer for sale since CCE started selling SP2. Basic is still available for $40 or so. The free encoders work well too. Hanks does a good job. Unless you find a good deal, SP2 isn't a very good deal for most users at about $2000.
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12. April 2009 @ 11:05 |
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Message to anyone trying to burn dvds using Nero 9 and DVD Shrink. IT WILL NOT WORK! Nero 7 works fine but anything above that will not work. In DVD Shrink, if you have the "enable burning with Nero" clicked, when it shrinks your movie it will mix around the scenes and when you burn it you will get half the movie in the wrong order. As mentioned in previous threads, what you have to do is download ImgBurn. Use this INSTEAD of Nero. It works great. In order to make all this happen you have to open up DVD Shrink and unclick the "enable burn with Nero" box. Once you do that you use DVD Shrink like normal but rip the movie to your hard drive. Then, once it encodes you open up ImgBurn and choose the option to write files to a disc. Best advice is to also have a decrypter, I bought AnyDVD which works great, but you can get DVDfab for free (takes much longer). DO NOT do what I did and buy Nero 9 for 80 bucks and have it not work!!! ImgBurn is great with DVD Shrink.
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14. April 2009 @ 16:12 |
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14. April 2009 @ 20:25 |
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Originally posted by coach333:
Message to anyone trying to burn dvds using Nero 9 and DVD Shrink. IT WILL NOT WORK! Nero 7 works fine but anything above that will not work ...
Thanks for the info. We've been discussing the problem since version 8 first appeared. ;)
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19. November 2009 @ 08:46 |
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It is. DvdRB produces better quality than Shrink/Recode.
Not necessarily. At lower compression a transcoder (DVD Shrink and Recode) does as well as an encoder. At higher compression levels is where DVD-RB shines. I'll have to admit, I use DVD-RB most of the time. That way I don't have to worry about limits and it's no problem to go ahead and do the Full DVD instead of Movie Only. I just did UP with Recode (using AnyDVD) and it did a good job. The DVD contains about 5.3GB, less compression needed in comparison to 7-8GB on many retail discs. Just remember to check the deep analysis and quality selections with Recode (and Shrink). All my blockbuster size backups are done with DVD-RB
As mentioned earlier, the later versions of Nero (8&9?) are no longer supported for automatic burning with Shrink. (DVDs created with Shrink and later Nero versions play on PC but not on a standalone player.) Nero isn't responsible for Shrink and no Shrink updates to correct the issue. It's not really a flaw with either program, other than Shrink no longer having support for needed changes.
Nero has a lot more than just the burning software. It's a large suite of programs from simple burning to authoring DVDs. There's software for converting different formats, such as DivX to DVD. You also have Recode which is a clone of DVD Shrink. If you have Recode, you don't need Shrink. OEM versions of Nero usually don't have Recode. Most new software require decryption with programs such as DVDFab's decrypter or Slysoft's AnyDVD (freeware and retail respectively).
For new members unfamiliar with the programs, I'd best mention DVD Decrypter and Shrink's decryption software are out of date, so it's a good idea to use newer software for decryption and copy protection removal. I still use DVD Decrypter occasionally, with AnyDVD, for simple rips to the HDD. AnyDVD has its own ripper, which seems to be working properly these days. DVD Shrink still does well for transcoding with AnyDVD handling the copy protection removal. Or rip with the free DVDFab Decrypter and open the ripped files in Shrink (with ImgBurn that makes up the totally free method).
In comparing Nero and ImgBurn, Nero is a suite of several programs while ImgBurn is a single burning program. It would make more sense to compare ImgBurn to Nero Express (from the Nero suite of programs). Those saying Nero is bloated don't seem to be taking into account that Nero isn't just one program, or they don't need programs other than the Burning ROM. As for myself, I make use of several of Nero's programs, especially, the Burning ROM (which includes Express), Recode, and Nerovision. Naturally Recode and Nerovision incorporate the Burning ROM. The Burning ROM does Data burning as well as Video. There's handy utilities. One is ImgageDrive. It's a simulated drive for loading ISO/Image folders for viewing with player software. Nero ShowTime is a good player program. So, there's really no comparison between a suite of software and a single burner program.
Someone asked if Nero can be on the PC and still use ImgBurn. YES. Simply set up Shrink to support ImgBurn, use the ImgBurn option in Backup (don't have Nero as the selected option). Check the Sticky at the top of the Shrink forum for the ImgBurn-Shrink thread. It should explain the procedure. You can still burn manually with the later Nero or use Recode, if you have it.
ImgBurn is a small program and shouldn't be an issue in size. Using it as a supported burner with Shrink is easy once the Shrink exe has been changed. If using the program manually, it's a little more interesting. I'd suggest the user learn how the different Mode selections operate and the difference between Video_TS files and ISO/Image folders. Between auto use with Shrink and manual use of ImgBurn, the difference can be likened to learning how to drive a car with an auto or manual transmission. One's a whole lot easier than the other.
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