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Valve speaks out about piracy
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article published on 19 January, 2009
At an interview at the Game Business Law summit this past week, Valve director of business development and legal affairs Jason Holtman spoke out about the company's thoughts on piracy, surprisingly calling pirates "underserved customers."
"There's a big business feeling that there's piracy, pirates are underserved customers."
"When you think about it that way, you think, 'Oh my gosh, ... [ read the full article ]
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emugamer
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21. January 2009 @ 10:32 |
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id say the law says it. its funy to see pirates justifying thier actions. snotty 14 years olds who are cooped in their room, who cant affored money for games....
oops was that a generalisation?!
I and masses of others see nothing funny about it. What I just proposed is a logical, justifiable, rationalization....even in professional circles this is expected, & even demanded to make a valid argument. Your reply consisted of 2 sentences. Your first, attempted to prove your point by "DEFAULT". Quote:
I'd say the law says it.
Yes we know the law says this. Laws (in our view) twisted by lobby interests, corporate bullying, and paid off officials. Yet you go on as though the "law" is an infallable authority in and of itself. Keep in mind the import and stamp tax on the colonies was "LAW". Jews not allowed to operate buisneses during Nazi rule was "LAW". Blacks in usa were property by "LAW". So your "default law" argument held no weight in the past, and still does not today. (in and of itself).
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its funy to see pirates justifying thier actions.
By your next statement, you not only attempt to speak with indifference and disregard, but dismiss any pirate who adopts ideals seperate from your "Default law ideology".
To finish your statment you end with:[quote]snotty 14 years olds who are cooped in their room, who cant affored money for games....
oops was that a generalisation?!
Your last utterance here is a cheap,lazy,uninformed,indolent,and insolent way to deal with a well thought out opinion. You Shame your audiance with diminuation, and lower your antagonists to a level below you in a fashion that serves to help you feel superior.
Please construct well thought out points with solid concepts. Otherwise your words are just ramblings of a self rightous, social evangelist.
Well thought out and reasoned. I agree. It's something that's always been on my mind. The law is made with a self-serving agenda.
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id say the law says it. its funy to see pirates justifying thier actions.
I hope you were joking. It's hard to believe that there are still people that making ignorant comments like that. If more Germans questioned the law, then it's possible the Holocaust would never have happened, or would have been significanly reduced. If you were a German during those times and your neighbor was killed for harboring a Jew, would you say the same thing? An extreme example, but just replace the word "pirates" with any other word for any other situation. There is something inherently wrong with copywrite laws and IP laws. There are no reliable studies and therefore no solid data to back up any claims of losses. The media giants are in bed with the politicians (just like big oil) who don't understand the digital age.
There has to be some concern when someone goes to jail or fined an absurd amount of money for sharing with someone else. I understand if the people sharing were actively making a profit, thereby cutting into the media's profit, but unjust punishments are being handed out to anyone and everyone.
I'm done with my rant. Thanks Shegax for the thoughts. Pretty much summed up what's been on my mind for a while.
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spamual
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21. January 2009 @ 13:01 |
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lol i find it funny how you compare priacy to something as serious and disturbing as the holocaust or slavery.... what an arguemnet to build up on.
is that how badly you think you need to justify stealing?
i mean i understand if it was becuase your family was going to starve to death, but my gawd, 6 million jews dying?! thats the reason you do it.... wow.... im converted then, now im definately sure your right(!)
hehe. as i said, you internet criminals, get some jobs please.
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emugamer
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21. January 2009 @ 15:04 |
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Originally posted by spamual:
lol i find it funny how you compare priacy to something as serious and disturbing as the holocaust or slavery.... what an arguemnet to build up on.
is that how badly you think you need to justify stealing?
i mean i understand if it was becuase your family was going to starve to death, but my gawd, 6 million jews dying?! thats the reason you do it.... wow.... im converted then, now im definately sure your right(!)
hehe. as i said, you internet criminals, get some jobs please.
Yes, it's an extreme example, but it's not a direct comparison. It's the principle behind it.
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A principle is the underlying part (or spirit) of the basis for an evolutionary normative or formative development, which is the object of subjective experience and/or interpretation. For example, the ethics of someone may be seen as a set of principles that the individual obeys in the form of rules, as guidance or law. These principles thus form the basis for such ethics.
The point of principle allows to create all probable versions under its subjective theme, as its reality creation/evolvement under that subject is open-ended and unpredictable relying on choice and option. Rules and laws capture a consensus that certain actions and events will occur under a principle (or a combination of principles).
A principled view for example, implies that an individual has a firm understanding of the underlying principle(s) of events and the rules and laws which govern them inherently and according to our consensus.
You want to hear extreme - how about prison for burning a copy of a DVD? I need to see proof that it's stealing. Show me how it's stealing and I might agree with your opinion. I haven't heard anyone provide any solid foundation to the argument that it's stealing. And don't direct me to the MPAA movie trailers that show kids buying burned copies from street vendors. Try to understand the concept before responding. I'm looking for an intelligent rebuttal, because in the last few years I haven't heard a single one. If you can't come up with more than "it's stealing because they told me it's stealing" then don't bother.
edit - I forget to add the "hehe"
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21. January 2009 @ 15:55 |
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ah, i love a good fight on the news threads. thats what aD's all about.
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21. January 2009 @ 22:24 |
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Originally posted by DXR88:
sure man we people of America have it made, if i get lucky i might get to keep My House(with utility's) and My Car, and some 15 dollars left over for food.
Get real man, honest hardworking people don't make shit. now lying, stealing, killing people,drug trafficking thats where the monies is.
wait 6 months for game to come down in price, your funny try 2-3 years.
If you're worried about becoming homeless, losing your car, and have $15 for food, what the f*ck are you doing playing video games?
First off, it's not nearly that bad for most people. If it is that way for you, get your ass off the computer, get a job, make money. It's not that difficult, go to a freaking Mcdonald's and sign up. Maybe if you had gotten an education and learned that "Money" plural isn't "Monies", you'd be able to get a better job.
Secondly, maybe "Honest, hard working people" aren't making money because people aren't buying their games.
The lying and stealing comment came out of freaking nowhere, not sure how to respond to that. 9_9
2-3 years? I don't know what freaking bizzaro world you're living in, but that only happens for a very small percentage of games... And, hell, then you can get it used. We're not in Russia, either, you can get things for different prices at different places.
"Get real man", indeed.
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ah, i love a good fight on the news threads. thats what aD's all about.
I agree, nothing more fun than tearing down flawed reasoning. =P
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22. January 2009 @ 00:20 |
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oh i have a job you *, otherwise i wouldn't own a house and a car. one other thing, i fix computer's for a living. what do you do? you neglected to mention that.
you spouted guesses, you think you know me. you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.
im done with, you anybody else.
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22. January 2009 @ 03:34 |
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Originally posted by DXR88:
oh i have a job you *, otherwise i wouldn't own a house and a car. one other thing, i fix computer's for a living. what do you do? you neglected to mention that.
you spouted guesses, you think you know me. you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.
im done with, you anybody else.
Ooh, way to get me. Ignoring my arguments against your drivel and running away from the discussion. You don't look dumb.
What I said was a rebuttal to the situation you provided. Maybe learn to read sentences? I never pretended to know you personally. What I said, because it looks like I'm going to have to spell it out for you:
If you're in such a bad place financially, as in the situation you gave as an example as to why American game piracy is justified, you have no business complaining about the price of things that would take up time better spent digging yourself out of that hole, in my example, a weekend job. That's just plain irresponsible.
Also, throwing out names? I'm hurt.
What I do has nothing to do with this, why bring it up? It pays for my food, rent, and entertainment, that's good enough.
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22. January 2009 @ 17:15 |
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A lot of you are using the fact that you can buy used copies of games at reduced prices to justify your cost related arguments. That example does not help your argument, it seriously hurts it.
Digital Piracy - Content creators aren't reimbursed for the copy. Money never leaves your hands. You still retain the possibility of becoming a potential costumer since your spending funds weren't reduced by the acquisition of said copy. You leave your self open to the ever remote chance of having legal action being taken against you (minute sense of danger). Even if you pirate en mass, your funds for a potential purchase do not decline.
Second hand stores - Content creators aren't reimbursed for the copy. Money does leave your hands. You are very likely to no longer be a potential costumer because your spending funds were reduced by the acquisition of said copy. Absolutely no chance of legal action being taken against you (complete sense of safety). If you purchase en mass, your funds are significantly reduced and there is no longer any chance of a potential sale from you.
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22. January 2009 @ 17:36 |
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Originally posted by IPRFenix:
A lot of you are using the fact that you can buy used copies of games at reduced prices to justify your cost related arguments. That example does not help your argument, it seriously hurts it.
Digital Piracy - Content creators aren't reimbursed for the copy. Money never leaves your hands. You still retain the possibility of becoming a potential costumer since your spending funds weren't reduced by the acquisition of said copy. You leave your self open to the ever remote chance of having legal action being taken against you (minute sense of danger). Even if you pirate en mass, your funds for a potential purchase do not decline.
Second hand stores - Content creators aren't reimbursed for the copy. Money does leave your hands. You are very likely to no longer be a potential costumer because your spending funds were reduced by the acquisition of said copy. Absolutely no chance of legal action being taken against you (complete sense of safety). If you purchase en mass, your funds are significantly reduced and there is no longer any chance of a potential sale from you.
"A lot of you"? Or just me? I didn't see anyone else mentioning used games.
At Gamestop, if they have a used copy of a popular game, it counts as part of their stock of that game, they order more when they either sell out or are in short supply... If they have a big stack of used copies, why buy more new? If people didn't buy the used copies of that game, Gamestop wouldn't order more, they'd wait for the used ones to sell.
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25. January 2009 @ 17:44 |
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Another blow to the "rent it or buy a used copy" old saw is that, in both the US and UK, rental and/or reselling of games is difficult or even directly prohibited if you actually follow the law. Think not? Then READ YOUR EULAS! Nearly wvery damn one of them, these days, requires you to obtain direct permission from the manufacturer to resell their software, as well as forbids pay-for-play (read: "rental", people - lol) usage.
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