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Comcast, AT&T to help RIAA?
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 28 January, 2009
Last month we reported that the RIAA was set to stop lawsuits, and would instead pressure ISPs to send warnings to alleged pirates eventually shutting down service to those that received three warnings.
According to sources talking to CNet, AT&T and Comcast appear to be the first ISPs to willingly join the RIAA's monitoring program and begin sending warnings to alleged pirates as the ... [ read the full article ]
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30. January 2009 @ 13:23 |
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Originally posted by atomicxl:
Ehh, its whatever to me. I like music and don't have any issue paying for it.
As far as bandwidth caps... Xbox Live and Hulu aren't gonna get you anywhere near 250gb a month unless you literally are playing and streaming 24/7 for like 20+ days.
Neither do I but its the price they try and force on you that generally makes me not want to pay.
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lxfactor
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30. January 2009 @ 23:46 |
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thats why i made the switch to open wi-fi =D usa is full of hotspots
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carolrene
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1. February 2009 @ 00:13 |
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I,m new here to afterdawn, as a registired member but have read articles of interest here for a few years. I like to download things of personal interst to me and i use quest telephone service an they also provide my dsl they have joined with comcast an at&t in internet piracy policy. Yes I plan on leaving there dsl service too. What i do on the internet is my business nobody else,s its a invasion of privacy and the isp,s are not holding up their end by disclosing personal information to the riaa or movie industry. Its not about whats right its about the almighty dollar. No wonder so many 3rd world countries find fault with the u.s.
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Musicfan7
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1. February 2009 @ 09:33 |
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I just got a 120GB Zune and a Zune Pass, and within the first week I've downloaded 60GB+ of music, all legally. I also have XBL, Netflix, Offsite Storage, I run a FTP site for friends(mainly software, all legal), as well as downloading the 32 and 64 bit builds of every Windows 7 release, now 250GB seems pretty small doesn't it?
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autolycus
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1. February 2009 @ 11:05 |
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Just about every provider out there can already see where you are goign on the internet. You signed saying it was acceptable or they have changed privacy laws to help themselves. To think that this country still cares about your pprivacy is a completely false hope. TIME WARNER, COMCAST, ATT already have a clause that says they have the right to see what customers are doing with their data to help provide better service to future customers. You are using THEIR service so you have to follow THEIR rules. If you don't like you can start your own ISP.
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Cliff1
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1. February 2009 @ 12:06 |
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These companies AT&T and Comcast deserve to be dropped by customers who find this alliance with the RIAA offensive to their rights as an individual to be free from being spied upon - as one person wrote that this is the eqivallent of a police car sitting ouside your residence all day and night watching your living activities when and where you come and go! Sensoring what you can and cannot download or send by reducing bandwidth and or expelling their service to you as a customer!
For having such disrespect for their customers these companies namely
AT&T and Comcast seserve to be dropped like a hot potatoe!
This is the only way we can teach these conglomerates that we won't stand to be bullied and have our rights bashed around and be expected to pay them for less service than what we desire!
Stand up to them,take away the money - this they understand! Drop them!
Cliff
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backlot
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1. February 2009 @ 12:37 |
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I've read on both FOX & CNN that the ISP's have been given "SSL Sniffers" which can decript SSL protected data. I guess the Patriot Act can be used for anything Democrats & Republicans desire.
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rick930
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1. February 2009 @ 13:46 |
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Hope Comcast and AT&T feel this worth the trade-off to losing even more customers. First it was the decree that they were going to limit the bandwidth you can use on a monthly basis, now they're going to act like security flunkies for the RIAA, who it appears can't build legitimate cases in the first place. Something tells me that there's a First Amendment attorney just waiting around the corner to help slap down any case that uses 'evidence' obtained by Comcast or AT&T. I mean DSL sucks, so why would these f00ls want to do things that makes it even harder to get business? God bless cable internet. :P
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UbuntuGuy
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1. February 2009 @ 14:01 |
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I used to be with Comcast but left them for an entirely different reason. My new ISP, like a growing number of other ISPs, has "issues" with people who overuse P2P apps or torrent apps ... neither of which I use. I've long since abandoned those apps for offshore private sites. Even so, if I'm doing a lot of downloading in any given week, I "spread the load" (as it were). I'm fortunate enough to live in a metro area that's teeming with multiple (and free) WiFi hotspots - offered by stores, coffee houses, libraries, etc., etc. - none of which require secure logons to access. So, if my desktop downloading begins to reach an uncomfortable level, I simply toss my laptop in my car and head for a hotspot. Doing so, I remain a very tiny blip on any radar screen.
When I consider the growing number of ISPs willing to cooperate with the media Gestapo, I'm reminded of something Princess Leia said in episode 4 - "The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers." And so it goes...
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1. February 2009 @ 18:27 |
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Ok, let me see, first Comcast limits its customers to 250 gigs, is that per month, or period? Don't get me wrong, I don't approve of limits of any kind if you are paying your money for a service, they are a service correct? Then If the RIAA wants to go after people, our services we are paying for should not be helping them. Do they not realize, it is a losing battle, people are ingenious enough to find other ways and means to get what they want.
Well, I have one thing to say: "George Orwell, 1984", Big Brother is here.
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mugs
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2. February 2009 @ 04:32 |
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I agree with the person that said it would be difficult at best to go over 250 GB. With that being said if you REALLY need that kind of bandwidth pay for commercial service and they never bother you about bandwidth issues at all.
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Mez
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2. February 2009 @ 08:10 |
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Frankly the lines should be "owned" by the government or local municipalities, the lines are rented out to the service providers who are contracted to maintain everything on the lines within a limit of their operating base, it would not take much to put out routing devices as so phone, net and cable tv are separated and work on the end user box.
Come on Zippy, you ought to know better than that. It always costs more for the government to run anything. I doubt that you will get any more 'protection' with government. Comcast flipflops. They came down hard on P2P last fall then sent out a concilatory letter. I assume they lost customers. They are big on 'doing the right thing' until it costs them even a penny. I suspect there are two warring camps inside Comcast. Sales is probably pro P2P.
Knowing Comcast, only customers in areas where Comcast is the only show in town, get letters. I am in an exclusive area but 100-200 yards from Verizon DSL. Even that provides some protection.
It is quite an investment to run cable or fiber anywhere so they don't run cable in places where there already is cable. It is rare to have any competition.
atomicxl I wouldn't mind paying if the price was not an insult to my intelligence and they offered HiFi music. Instead they sell LoHi music I don't enjoy listening to for a dollar a tune. They could make more money selling at 10% of what they are selling it. They prefer making you dogs grovel, buying crap for an exorbenant price. What a joke! They know some of the public is dumber than dogs.
Musicfan7 good for you! They will still terminate you for using too much bandwidth.
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nalljr
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2. February 2009 @ 10:22 |
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I wonder how much bribe does RIAA promised AT&T and Comcast executives. Guess AT&T and Comcast are filled with selfish corporate leaders.
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damncrap
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2. February 2009 @ 11:20 |
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Living in south FL we only have 2 choices, Comcast cable and AT&T DSL.
I have Comcast, If they ever gave me the 3 strikes and your out they lose the game! I refuse to switch to AT&T's oh so slow DSL, after having a usual 14Megs with Comacast I cant take how slow DSL is. I have MANY family members who have Comcast and AT&T and are not happy at all with their services (esp Comcast) they all wont hesitate to give it up. Shoot my cell phone gets a 3Megs with Sprints EVDO Rev A I would use that lol. True I cant DL torrents and what not on my phone yet (who knows in the future) but anything to keep the man down!
Not to mention it can be used as a modem. If these fools mess with us little people they will suffer. We can just as well purchase a Sprint internet air card or Verizon for about the same cost. While speeds aren't as high im sure the technology will get there, especialy when things like Sprints WiMax start emerging.
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Mez
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2. February 2009 @ 18:33 |
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I am sure they wined and dined them but Comcast has been the most agressive anti P2P ISP in the US. The federal government fined Comcast for they were doing. Comcast now has a higher purpose and gives what they have wanted, to do some legitimacy.
NO, they didn't have to bribe Comcast.
I am sure there are plans how to connect a phone receptor to a computer on a hacker site.
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autolycus
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2. February 2009 @ 18:48 |
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ALL THE PROVIDERS NEED TO "WATCH" what their customers are doing, it was part of the patriot act to see if they are taking part in terrorist activities or not.
YES, ALL OF THEM... even the one you are using right now.
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3. February 2009 @ 11:36 |
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Originally posted by atomicxl:
Ehh, its whatever to me. I like music and don't have any issue paying for it.
As far as bandwidth caps... Xbox Live and Hulu aren't gonna get you anywhere near 250gb a month unless you literally are playing and streaming 24/7 for like 20+ days.
Not totally true, if you have 3 SAT DVR's and you like different On-Demands on each, Netflix streaming, CBS/Hula/YouTube and so on, Kids playing online games, and I could go on and on, it is very easy to go beyond the cap. Besides most people pay too much already for their over rated internet and we definitely don't need to be capped or censored but this is the problem with our government allowing monopolies.
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mikaalswa
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3. February 2009 @ 13:29 |
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They have no legal right to brand anyone a pirate. That authority belongs solely to the courts. If they do this, they will be taking away your due process rights.
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backlot
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3. February 2009 @ 21:26 |
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Mez
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4. February 2009 @ 08:24 |
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They are not branding you anything. They are suspecting which is better for everyone. The penelty is light and they do not have to prove anything. By not proving anything they can punish 100 times more people
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7. February 2009 @ 11:14 |
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Originally posted by Mez:
They are not branding you anything. They are suspecting which is better for everyone. The penelty is light and they do not have to prove anything. By not proving anything they can punish 100 times more people
and unfairly punish 100 times as many innocent people too
as I just wrote in another thread, big difference between three warnings from RIAA et al, and three convictions in a court of law
(see http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/16862.cfm)
but the punishment doesn't fit the crime because an accusation isn't proof of a crime, at least not yet...
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Cliff1
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7. February 2009 @ 15:00 |
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Whenever and wherever the RIAA is involved you can expect anything and everything that comes out nasty!
They are not biased though - they shyster artists and customers equally always have and always will as long as they are an entity in the music business!
They look after their own pets in the entertainment industry ( those that suck up to them ) while they endeavour to force feed the public what the RIAA wants you to purchase! They were not able to acquire their desired results by suing folks through the law courts, so now they are going to try to get the ISP's to do their spying and dirty work all for the benefit of the RIAA's bottom line!
Have you noticed lately how they are working on trying to get their credibility back by sucking up to President Barack Obama? Watch out if they can get him and his representatives misguided by believing that the RIAA actually looks after artists and are for the good of the music business in America, we may even see more legislation coming down that will take away even more avenues of acquiring the music that you enjoy and the ways you are able to acquire it!
As far as the RIAA are concerned they'd like to control all of the formats wherby music is available and set it up so that even if you purchase the same song - every time you used a different format you'd pay again! ie; CD, MP3, Wav,I-Pod, Internet, DVD even if it is a transfer from one format to another!
That's just one example of what The RIAA is about!
I've said it before and I'll say it again the only way we'll ever have a quality music business in North America again, is to get rid of the outdated dinosaur known as the RIAA and form a new body of North American music representatives that are interested in promoting our art in a healthy atmosphere for the honest good of our artists and quality enjoyment that is set up for the preference of music's customers!
Want satisfaction with your music? Ask your government to kick out the RIAA!
Cliff
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9. February 2009 @ 02:58 |
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I just reread the article and found the key here "still negotiating the money"
AT&T and Comcast are willing to be bribed for having your internet stopped the amount offered just hasn't been enough yet
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Mez
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9. February 2009 @ 07:53 |
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Cliff1, I couldn't have said most of that better.
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That they are. However, I think you got it wrong with Obama. They helped him get elected. He owes them.
I didn't notice that the ISPs want compensation for what they are already doing. One set of shysters doing business with a bigger one.
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Cliff1
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9. February 2009 @ 11:53 |
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Well Mez, the fact that President Obama owes the RIAA for support during the election means that we are really going to have our internet, mucic and entertainment choices limited!
Seems these governments we acquire, are no longer governments for the people by the people, in so much as it has become governments for the corporations by the wealthy lobby groups of the corporations and all that is left for the little citizen is lip service!
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