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21. April 2009 @ 04:57 |
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A blank disc only costs 30 cents.
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21. April 2009 @ 05:31 |
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Originally posted by orion250:
Does everyone make more than 1 backup copy of every movie even if you don't have any kids to mess them up? I could see this as getting very expensive quickly if you have a very large library of movies.
No, i only make an extra copy to cater for little fingers, though that said my kids are now old enough to be trusted with dvd's so any extra copies i burn are more out of habit now. I like to keep a small dvd case for the car as i have a twin dvd player system for the kids for long journeys
Originally posted by orion250:
I have never had a disc get messed up yet, but if it were to happen, I would just get my original disc and redo the backup. It would take much less time and money that way to do a few mess ups than multiples of every movie I own!
As i say, going back and re-ripping the original (retail) in my case more often than not that means running the original disc thru DVD Rebuilder (45 mins encoding) then burning again. Plus for the last few weeks i've been re-ripping a large chunk of my movie collection so that i can convert to AVI, that's a lot of DVD Rebuilder processing... never mind the ripping (as it is i've 7 drives in constant use lately just for re-ripping, i have too many discs to chomp thru, am seeing discs in my sleep).
Originally posted by dialysis1:
A blank disc only costs 30 cents.
Indeed. Whilst i am very strict in never wasting money, the cost of (some) blank discs here are at the stage where they're throwaway, they're like £18 per 100 for Verbatim's, it used to be £12 per 100 for Maxell the last time i bought any.
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21. April 2009 @ 16:48 |
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Originally posted by creaky:
Originally posted by orion250:
Does everyone make more than 1 backup copy of every movie even if you don't have any kids to mess them up? I could see this as getting very expensive quickly if you have a very large library of movies.
No, i only make an extra copy to cater for little fingers, though that said my kids are now old enough to be trusted with dvd's so any extra copies i burn are more out of habit now.
I also do exactly that... if it is a kiddie movie, I frequently burn an extra copy. Otherwise I rely on the notion that I can just copy the backup if it comes to that. Doing a 2nd turn at backing up from the original is the last resort because often much tweaking was required to get it to work and making decisions about what to cut out to squeeze into a regular DVD disc. It is not a click and its done operation (often).
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21. April 2009 @ 17:33 |
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Originally posted by creaky:
...running the original disc thru DVD Rebuilder (45 mins encoding) then burning again...
I stopped using DVD Rebuilder because it took me 8-12 hours to encode using QuEnc, of course, I only tried it when the compression level falls below 60%, but then the quality is not any better than 'transcoding' it with DVDShrink. I did two discs using one and the other, needless to say I kept the DVD Shrink version because it had little or no macroblocking (pixeling) compared to DVDRB/QuEnc.
Back to the subject; if kids have a habit of destroying discs with their dirty little fingers, I'd suggest a $25 VCR and a nice quality blank tape (erase, rerecord as often as you like), that way, you won't have to waste any more time doing your passes and encode/recode/transcode, otherwise it is only worth it to do it for backups, not for dirty little fingers.
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21. April 2009 @ 17:45 |
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Originally posted by PCH_Dude:
I stopped using DVD Rebuilder because it took me 8-12 hours to encode using QuEnc
Ouch, my main PC takes 45mins to do main movie mode and only an hour for episodic disks (i only use HC Encoder). The most extreme compression level i've had were the Battlestar Galactica seasons which were as low as 44% and considering Galactica has so many dark scenes the backups turned out very well indeed.
Originally posted by PCH_Dude:
I only tried it when the compression level falls below 60%, but then the quality is not any better than 'transcoding' it with DVDShrink. I did two discs using one and the other, needless to say I kept the DVD Shrink version because it had little or no macroblocking (pixeling) compared to DVDRB/QuEnc
I don't want to sidetrack this thread into the depths of DVD Rebuilder but i'm guessing your pixellating was down to QuEnc (not sure as i've never used that one) ot something else, as i don't get pixellation, in fact none of our regulars do either.. ..there is slight blocking on dark scenes when viewed from a distance, but that's different to pixellation (i'm guessing by macroblocking you mean the same difference as what i call slight blocking).
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21. April 2009 @ 17:48 |
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Quote:
I stopped using DVD Rebuilder because it took me 8-12 hours to encode using QuEnc, of course, I only tried it when the compression level falls below 60%, but then the quality is not any better than 'transcoding' it with DVDShrink.
Once you know how to properly use DVD Rebuilder you won't have this issue.
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PCH_Dude
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21. April 2009 @ 17:52 |
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Originally posted by creaky:
...there is slight blocking on dark scenes when viewed from a distance, but that's different to pixellation.
Yes, that's what I meant and it looked horrible when viewing dark scenes or towards the end credits.
By the way, it's slow for me maybe because I'm running:
PIII/1GB MHZ XP Home
768 SDRAM
30GB HD (with 15 GB left to play)
I bought the thing back in '99-2000.
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21. April 2009 @ 17:55 |
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Originally posted by dialysis1:
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I stopped using DVD Rebuilder because it took me 8-12 hours to encode using QuEnc, of course, I only tried it when the compression level falls below 60%, but then the quality is not any better than 'transcoding' it with DVDShrink.
Once you know how to properly use DVD Rebuilder you won't have this issue.
I'm not an expert but any tips to reduce the time would be much appreciated. Any simple tweak(s) I should be aware of? Thanx!
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21. April 2009 @ 17:56 |
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Try HCenc.
Shut down all programs running in the background including your anti-virus program.
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21. April 2009 @ 18:07 |
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21. April 2009 @ 18:16 |
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99% of all problems are between the computer and the chair.
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PCH_Dude
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21. April 2009 @ 18:21 |
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21. April 2009 @ 18:39 |
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Fixed.
Downloaded the full installer. Didn't know there were two versions. It's okay now, it seems to have all the encoders available. I'll try a backup with this HC Encoder and see if it's feasible in terms quality/time consuming.
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21. April 2009 @ 18:49 |
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According to your system specs, it's gonna take some time. Best to set it before you go to sleep. When you wake up, it should be done.
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22. April 2009 @ 03:53 |
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Originally posted by dialysis1:
According to your system specs, it's gonna take some time. Best to set it before you go to sleep. When you wake up, it should be done.
I agree 100% with dialysis1. You have very little memory, and a slow processor which is going to cause it to run slow.
When using DVD-RB you will get a better quality output than you do when you transcode a movie. It is not really that noticeable in slow films, but when you have an action packed movie with a lot of quick fight scenes and driving scenes it is very noticeable.
Try encoding and transcoding Quantum of Solace or Transporter 3, and you will see the difference in the two. Pay attention to the quick scenes. You should also notice a better quality in the color of the picture on the encode vs. the transcode.
Edit: Creaky, you were correct. This thread just kind of changed subjects didn't it!! :)
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22. April 2009 @ 23:11 |
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Originally posted by dialysis1:
A blank disc only costs 30 cents.
That's not much if you are only making a few backups of backups. But a lot of people have 2000 or more movies and that can add up to $1,500 to $2,000 extra if you are making 2 or more copies of each backup in your collection. Not to mention the hundreds of extra hours it takes to do this and the extra expense of the binders that you will need for storing these extra backups ($150 or more). I don't see a problem with spending an extra 3 or 4 dollars for some discs that may become unuseable and spending maybe 5 hours compared to 500 hours backing these few up again. It only takes me between 45 min. to an hour to rip, edit, transcode and burn a movie (start to finish) to produce a great looking final product. I just try to keep the cost down because it is not very cheap purchasing all of these movies either new or used. It adds up quickly!
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23. April 2009 @ 06:13 |
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I don't have that many movies. I only have 986 movies.
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23. April 2009 @ 08:13 |
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^^I only have a few, but it took me forever just to do one!
Also, I've installed the latest versions of DVD-RB, Avisynth 258 and HC Encoder 023 to my laptop (P4, 2.8Gig MHZ) and the whole process was much faster, more like 50%. So instead of 8-9 hours, it is now down to about 3.5-4.5 hours for a 6GB-6.5GB file! The only downside to it was that my laptop didn't have a DVD burner so I'd have to transfer them to a USB each time, then to my slow-hog PC for burning - that's where the time was wasted most.
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25. April 2009 @ 20:47 |
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Have you ever thought about getting either an external dvd burner or an internal dvd burner and a 3.5" external drive case and plug into your usb port on your laptop so you don't have to keep transferring these files to your PC to burn.
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PCH_Dude
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26. April 2009 @ 00:42 |
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Yes I have looked on ebay many times for an internal laptop burner (-/+RW/DL) but the price is way too steep. I don't want an extenal burner because they are not as stable.
I am averaging 3hr45min per movie using the latest DVD-RB/HC Encoder to PREPARE/ENCODE/REBUILD, it beats the hell out of 8-10 hours not too long ago, so transferring files from my laptop to PC via USB drive ain't so bad after all.
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26. April 2009 @ 06:01 |
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Originally posted by PCH_Dude:
I don't want an extenal burner because they are not as stable.
Not stable eh ?, sure they are :) ~ i've been using external burners for about 4 years now, i select my own standard burners and putting them inside Belkin enclosures. I've never purchased ready-made external burners (or external hard drives) so can't vouch for their reliability, but currently have 6 external optical drives on this PC and they are totally stable, plus they coexist perfectly with the 3 internal optical drives.
Originally posted by PCH_Dude:
I am averaging 3hr45min per movie using the latest DVD-RB/HC Encoder to PREPARE/ENCODE/REBUILD, it beats the hell out of 8-10 hours not too long ago, so transferring files from my laptop to PC via USB drive ain't so bad after all.
that runtime isn't too painful, 8-10 hours would have been a bit more long-winded. You should see how long some people are taking to do BluRay ie using BD Rebuilder Beta, 25 odd hours etc !
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26. April 2009 @ 07:02 |
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Originally posted by creaky:
...that runtime isn't too painful, 8-10 hours would have been a bit more long-winded. You should see how long some people are taking to do BluRay ie using BD Rebuilder Beta, 25 odd hours etc !
I'd hate to see their energy bills by the end of the month, plus all those expensive D-B blanks.
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26. April 2009 @ 07:47 |
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Nowt wrong with your system.. it's more than realistic to do dvd work on a lump of hardware like that (athlon 1900+ with 512 but running a proper OS here) .. forget all these penis substitute quad core with gigs of ram pimps.. I used to run a p3 600 and completely transcoding, authoring and burning a dvd took me about 5 hours with debian and only 256 ram... and I could still do other stuff at the same time.
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26. April 2009 @ 08:00 |
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This Quad Core pimp agrees completely, but as the pc's sleep as little as i do, i like them to get as much done as they can, i like to slavedrive my pc's :)
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26. April 2009 @ 16:20 |
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quad-core times are 30 to 40 mins using DVD Rebuilder though
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